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[GoldenEye98]

You're not smart unless you look at the entire market before making a decision like this.

Sony were probably 99% AMD but they for sure always have to look at everything before making a final decision.

I mean if BC is a requirement then I don't see how you can really go with anything other than AMD.

Sony and Microsoft are sort of stuck with AMD now unless they drop that condition.

 

[kevm3]

How much crack was Cerny smoking to consider Intel in the first place?

Negotiation 101
Even if you don't plan on going with a vendor, you bring them into the mix so they can serve as competition to keep the prices low

 

[SlimySnake]

GTFO with this nonsense, PS5 and Series X were adequately powerful for $399 console released in 2020

you literally had mark cerny make the case that it wasnt powerful enough for 60 fps gaming just last week.

devs literally had to leave out RT in 60 fps modes just to get them to run and even then the resolutions would dip to sub 720p to maintain 60 fps.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Also...as i've been saying, next gen starts in 2028:



We're not even halfway through this present gen.

 

[DJ12]

Also...as i've been saying, next gen starts in 2028:



We're not even halfway through this present gen.

Early adopters of xboxs new pc console hybrid going to ve pissed when ps6 comes out two years later costing half as much with at least compatible power

 

[GymWolf]

The dream remain a console with an nvidia gpu.

 

[64bitmodels]

I am rocking an intel CPU and its way better than reviewers make it out to be. Especially in comparison to the zen 2 CPUs it was competing with.

it's good for Sony to hold discussions with intel. AMD has its own issues, but I like the idea of new tech in my console. AMD and Sony partnership has now resulted in not one but two consecutive underpowered consoles. I was hoping sony would switch to dedicated CPU and GPUs so we can finally start having powerful GPUs in consoles again. Enough with this combined SoC design.

You will get the same performance as AMD with more power consumption, noise and heat if consoles went Intel.

 

[LordOfChaos]

You will get the same performance as AMD with more power consumption, noise and heat if consoles went Intel.

We're talking ~2028, so all such comments are pure guesswork

Entirely new nodes and new architectures by then

 

[Bitstream]

The dream remain a console with an nvidia gpu.

I think if nvidia made CPUS as well, and APUs they might be considered for more consoles, but the fact that they don't have any cpu/gpu combos on one chip basically eliminates them from the running. Doing it all on the same silicon has too many advantages to pass up

 

[CyberCali]

https://www.reuters.com/technology/how-intel-lost-sony-playstation-business-2024-09-16/

EDIT: nvm https://www.neogaf.com/threads/reuters-how-intel-lost-the-sony-playstation-business.1675023/

The two threads have been merged.

 

[SweetTooth]

you literally had mark cerny make the case that it wasnt powerful enough for 60 fps gaming just last week.

devs literally had to leave out RT in 60 fps modes just to get them to run and even then the resolutions would dip to sub 720p to maintain 60 fps.

Guess what! Your precious RTX 4090 wont be able to do both in couple of years. Does that make it not powerful in 2024? Of course not.

PS5/Series both have majority of games running at 60fps or even higher but that beside the point.

My point is which you ignored, PS5 was plenty capable for a $399 machine released in 2020

 

[SweetTooth]

The dream remain a console with an nvidia gpu.

OG Xbox? PS3?

 

[HogIsland]

I doubt Sony was very inclined to switch from AMD in the first place. The backward compatibility thing is significant, and Sony would have to rework a lot of their SDK to support Intel hardware. imo Intel should be feverishly working on a mobile core+arc APU solution for handhelds and laptops, and be well positioned to power SteamOS consoles in the near future. Intel has a better track record than Nvidia and even AMD in supporting Linux, so the path is pretty clear for them. They had a nice in-house concept with the NUC-12 (subsequently sold NUC branding to ASUS), and Minisforum also sold a very slick, Intel+Nvidia powered system that would make a great console:

Intel NUC-12 Extreme

Minisforum NUCXi7

 

[GymWolf]

OG Xbox? PS3?

Modern console, now that nvidia has all the best tech.

 

[MisterXDTV]

Modern console, now that nvidia has all the best tech.

Well, Nintendo is using NVIDIA for Switch 2

 

[GymWolf]

Well, Nintendo is using NVIDIA for Switch 2

Yeah i expect great tech from an underpowered tablet

 

[ap_puff]

Well, Nintendo is using NVIDIA for Switch 2

They're using ampere though.. ampere is meh

 

[CLW]

By making inferior products at higher prices

 

[MisterXDTV]

They're using ampere though.. ampere is meh

It's not really their fault this time

Nvidia is skipping Ada for Tegra chips and will jump directly to Blackwell

Orin (Ampere) -> Thor (Blackwell)

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Intel Outside

 

[Loomy]

I was hoping sony would switch to dedicated CPU and GPUs so we can finally start having powerful GPUs in consoles again. Enough with this combined SoC design.

Those days are gone for mobile computing devices - which consoles are.

 

[RaZoR No1]

Wow it's a ruthless business I didn't think there would be any chance Sony would leave AMD and Broadcom being in the mix is fascinating I wonder if Nvidia poked around

Probably not
Nvidia is already more than satisfied / busy with their AI stuff.

AFAIK wasnt there even a rumour, that they didnt even wanted to partner with Nintendo for Switch 360 because it was just peanuts for them?

The AI market is currently their main income.
Even the GPU market is not on their top tier list anymore

 

[BlackTron]

I think if nvidia made CPUS as well, and APUs they might be considered for more consoles, but the fact that they don't have any cpu/gpu combos on one chip basically eliminates them from the running. Doing it all on the same silicon has too many advantages to pass up

The Nvidia Shield sparking their role in Switch is just Nintendo's best timeline and sheer luck of timing for them. We probably would not (likely) have a Switch 2 with Nvidia upscaling if Shield didn't exist, which is wacky.

 

[Shake Your Rump]

Why makes $30 billion when you can make $0

I know this is a joke, but for those who don’t read, this was $30 billion revenue. They could theoretically still lose money. There is also the opportunity cost: they could be making something else more profitable instead.

 

[RoadHazard]

I am rocking an intel CPU and its way better than reviewers make it out to be. Especially in comparison to the zen 2 CPUs it was competing with.

it's good for Sony to hold discussions with intel. AMD has its own issues, but I like the idea of new tech in my console. AMD and Sony partnership has now resulted in not one but two consecutive underpowered consoles. I was hoping sony would switch to dedicated CPU and GPUs so we can finally start having powerful GPUs in consoles again. Enough with this combined SoC design.

The PS5 really wasn't underpowered at launch, given its price. Yeah, there was obviously better PC hardware already out there, but Sony can't sell a $1,500 or $2,000 console to very many people. For the cost, the PS5 was pretty great. Less bottlenecked than the PS4, which had a very weak CPU. PS5 is more balanced. Plus a storage and I/O system that no PC could match at the time (not sure they fully can yet, except by brute-forcing). Even some RT capabilities, which most people thought it wouldn't have at all a year or two before it launched.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Considering how bad Intel has been doing lately, they should take the business even if the margins arent as great as they are used to getting. Dont get greedy.

 

[saintjules]

I find it weird "Playstation 6" is not in the thread title. Anyway

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

I find it weird "Playstation 6" is not in the thread title. Anyway

Not that weird, tbh, since that's the Reuters headline they used for their report, which is why I used it for my OP as well.

 

[mhirano]

I mean if BC is a requirement then I don't see how you can really go with anything other than AMD.

Sony and Microsoft are sort of stuck with AMD now unless they drop that condition.

Microsoft already proved it can make different architectures backward compatible (because their BC is higher level). Sony really is stuck with AMD

 

[Jesb]

I don’t know why a console manufacturer would even consider intel. They’re more expensive, consoles don’t need the absolute bleeding edge tech to succeed, so why would you go with intel if you’re looking to make your profit margin or atleast sell at a smaller loss.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

AMD are the only ones with an x86 CPU and a mature GPU tech of some sort which can be integrated on a single die

Intel has an x86 CPU but their GPU business is still in the early stages

Nvidia has a vastly superior GPU architecture but Sony would need to switch to ARM

Broadcom? LOL?

The only choice which made sense for Sony was always going to be AMD

 

[kapshin]

Intel has the greed of Nvidia without anything to actually back it up...

You don't want an Intel Arch GPU in your next console?

 

[Represent.]

Also...as i've been saying, next gen starts in 2028:



We're not even halfway through this present gen.

3 more years, lets say this year is over.

End of this gen should be really good.

Damn at Intel. Losing Apple and now PlayStation. Talk about fumbling the bag. Whoever is doing their negotiating needs to be fired.

 

[TransTrender]

30,000 million in revenue and an estimate of 100 million PS6 means that they were planning to charge $300 for each APU

Yeah, the numbers they present here are a bit unhinged and not based in reality.

 

[AJUMP23]

I think it is the right move if it gives you backward compatibility.

 

[Physiognomonics]

I don't see how intel would guarantee hardware BC with PS4 and PS5. this would be an engineer nightmare.

 

[RaZoR No1]

I don't see how intel would guarantee hardware BC with PS4 and PS5. this would be an engineer nightmare.

Why not?
Both CPUs are running on a X86/64 system.
First step/issue already solved.
GPU shouldnt be an issue either, if even Sony is able to support nearly all PS4 games on PS5.

Probably somethink like beein on a normal PC

Do not forgett, that the current consoles are more or less a bespoke PC systems with some whistles and bells.

We even have some Mainboards that were not good enough to be consoles converted as cheap Windows machine by AMD itself.
Just google 4700S AMD Desktop Kit.

Since Xbox One/ PS4 I do not really see any issues with BC anymore

 

[KeplerL2]

GPU shouldnt be an issue either, if even Sony is able to support nearly all PS4 games on PS5.

Sony does shader binary level BC, which would be extremely hard (if not outright illegal) for Intel to implement.

 

[Panajev2001a]

winjer

Intel to spin off its chipmaking business – OSnews

www.osnews.com

So it is not a rumour anymore, it is happening :/… I still do not think it will get them as many customers as it is difficult for people to leave TSMC for a foundry that appears tied to your chip design competition… and are the people that cannot get capacity from TSMC (remaining first choice) enough to finance evolution of their fabs as fast as TSMC?