feynoob
Banned
Game looks more Ubisoft boredom and essentially avatar frontier of pandora box level of boredom with locked characters behind paywall.
Just classic Ubisoft game. At least EA weren't this shit.
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Star Wars Outlaws' Director: 'Bad Faith' Discourse About Protagonist's Appearance 'Not Worth Engaging In'
- Thread starter ManaByte
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Just classic Ubisoft game. At least EA weren't this shit.
Putonahappyface
Gold Member
Really? I thought she resembled the creature from the film Munchies. It's the cheekbones.
PaintTinJr
Member
I had a feeling you wouldn't see the obvious error in me projecting my own "good" SW in that sentence,...
...but it just further emphasises the point that "all" Sw stuff "good" or "bad" is well supported - on a first pass at least - so it is guaranteed that everything SW gets good support from SW fans, then what they perceive as "good" is definitely supported, yes? I mean that is why Ubi pay for a SW license for the game as it brings guaranteed sales, much like Disney bought SW and hang an entire sub service on SW (and Marvel) because of the cultural phenomenon status and the transcendent reach SW has that the director completely ignores when suggesting the starting point for this ugly wash discussion is people aren't already primed to buy anything he pumps out with SW on it.
Holammer
Member
We've basically had a decade of games where women can't be conventionally beautiful in western games, yet they still model protagonists in high budget games after beautiful people and apply what's called an "ugly stick"? Why? Just get Melissa McCarthy instead. Imagine sneaking around with her and bopping storm troopers helmets, it would be hilarious.
Not that I'm going to play it, but I look forward to someone modding the game and giving the protag a makeover.
Not that I'm going to play it, but I look forward to someone modding the game and giving the protag a makeover.
Griffon
Member
He's the director, meaning he oversaw and approved the making the character ugly on purpose.
And then he comes here end tells us it doesn't matter. But if it didn't matter, why did he uglify the actress then?
Don't try to gaslight us motherfucker. You perfectly know what you did.
And then he comes here end tells us it doesn't matter. But if it didn't matter, why did he uglify the actress then?
Don't try to gaslight us motherfucker. You perfectly know what you did.
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MDSLKTR
Member
Thought you were slick ehSeems westerns like the inverse approach to Capcom
Arcane0ne
Member
The real model looks fine,the issue is the butchered ingame face and looks like has severe intellectual issues in that image.They butchered her because they cant stand beautiful women
PeteBull
Member
TLDR that female protagonist is simply mid, 4/10 or 5/10 max depending on ur taste, doesnt mean she is unfuckable like those fat lesbians from concord, but she was visibly uglyfied vs the actress.
For reference:
3/10 and below= cave troll, those cant even get proper date on tinder, u can see them on tik tok complaining that all good men are gone (usually means obese, bad face symetry or visibly past their prime, for some its 35yo+, for some 50yo+, life isnt fair and genetics is a bitch
4/10=below avg(still fuckable for 95% of dudes, even those relatively goodlooking and/or rich ones, just not gf/longterm relationship material- yes even with good personality, disney fairytales keep on lying
5/10= avg
6/10 above avg
7/10=attractive
8/10=very attractive
9/10= supermodel/winner of a miss contest of above regional lvl/high paid actress in her prime(which usually means 18-30yo )
10/10= unobtanium/plastic surgery and a lot of it/usually even then filters/srs amount of make up has to be put on
Btw, for guys its much worse, 80%-90% of us are simply unatractive to females, thats according to studies so basically unless u are 8/10 in looks as a guy forget any online dating, we can make up for it with charm/charisma/being funny/wealth/status at least tho
For reference:
3/10 and below= cave troll, those cant even get proper date on tinder, u can see them on tik tok complaining that all good men are gone (usually means obese, bad face symetry or visibly past their prime, for some its 35yo+, for some 50yo+, life isnt fair and genetics is a bitch
4/10=below avg(still fuckable for 95% of dudes, even those relatively goodlooking and/or rich ones, just not gf/longterm relationship material- yes even with good personality, disney fairytales keep on lying
5/10= avg
6/10 above avg
7/10=attractive
8/10=very attractive
9/10= supermodel/winner of a miss contest of above regional lvl/high paid actress in her prime(which usually means 18-30yo )
10/10= unobtanium/plastic surgery and a lot of it/usually even then filters/srs amount of make up has to be put on
Btw, for guys its much worse, 80%-90% of us are simply unatractive to females, thats according to studies so basically unless u are 8/10 in looks as a guy forget any online dating, we can make up for it with charm/charisma/being funny/wealth/status at least tho
The Mad Draklor
Member
Going by who has made the most number of posts in this thread, let alone the most number of posts that require scrolling a good bunch because you can't convey your thoughts linearly... gee, I wonder who?
BlackTron
Member
TBH talking to fans like that just demoted this from a $10 game to a $5 if ever game to me.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
The argument is easy... movies and games are escapes, fantasies. People do not fantasize that they are ugly and weak. They do not fantasize that they get the ugly and weak girl/guy.
Everyone would rather be beautiful and strong.
And that's why our stories since the dawn of time have been about beautiful strong characters.
But also the other valid argument is that they did it on purpose for a agenda. It wasn't somones great vision. It was systematic and propagandist.
Everyone would rather be beautiful and strong.
And that's why our stories since the dawn of time have been about beautiful strong characters.
But also the other valid argument is that they did it on purpose for a agenda. It wasn't somones great vision. It was systematic and propagandist.
ReBurn
Gold Member
How is she unattractive?
How sharp are her knees?
feynoob
Banned
The bukake virus altered her face.Thought you were slick eh
KXVXII9X
Member
And what is this left wing ideology? I want to hear it. You guys need to start backing up your points. Can you confirm they were being forced? I see a lot of projection with some of these comments.
Hayabusabruh
Member
You can knock out storm troopers by smacking them in the back of their helmet. Lol
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Moriarty1889
Member
Yes, it’s a mind virus and has affected a lot of people on here. Just make a comment they don’t like and watch them virtue signal.
BlackTron
Member
Backed up by being a living breathing person and paying attention to anything going on around you. One time is a creative vision. Every fucking time is a systemic problem.
Topher
Identifies as young
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Only defense against the mind virus is to boycott or refuse to buy games that display symptoms of the mind virus. Such as the censorship happening in DQ3HD.
You can either have the fortitude to resist or submit and drink the poison kool-aid.
It's why the rare indie game and playing older games is what keeps my interest in gaming alive.
Games for "modern audiences" are hollow and empty. Ubisoft sadly is one of these companies and Star Wars has long been infected with the Mind Virus.
You can either have the fortitude to resist or submit and drink the poison kool-aid.
It's why the rare indie game and playing older games is what keeps my interest in gaming alive.
Games for "modern audiences" are hollow and empty. Ubisoft sadly is one of these companies and Star Wars has long been infected with the Mind Virus.
KXVXII9X
Member
That still doesn't tell me if they were "forced" or not.
unlurkified
Member
They didn’t do a bad job. You know it was intentional. This is what people take issue with-purposefully uglifying a character from its real-life model because it’s what devs think the zeitgeist demands of them.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
It's intentional when Debra Wilson is perfectly portrayed in every role she plays in. Perfect recreation of her every time. But somehow these attractive girls get the uggo stick somehow? All by design.
It's not a surprise JP devs fire shots when they say the West loves making ugly characters.
feynoob
Banned
Makes sense. If helmets are metal armor, then the force should mess up your
. It's why we don't use sturdy and metal helmet while riding a bike.Other than that, it's a fun mechanic. Need shit like these, where you smack your enemies. Death loop does better.
Phobos Base
Member
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Crazy isn't it. 1 to 1 recreation. The technology is clearly there.
DragonNCM
Member
They butchered her because they cant stand beautiful women
All started in galaxy far far a whey......where they don't have Hairdressers...
DragonNCM
Member
Yeah...he don't have breastsThey didn't have that issue with Jedi Survivor either
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
But what if some of the dissenting opinions are in bad faith?
"Kay is meant to be approachable...."
the thing with the woke mind virus is that soon this frase is also going to be outrageous, because it means that the unapproachable is still an option, and that cannot be. so you should expect to approach the unapproachable in the future. woke will eliminate the words and the definitions.
the thing with the woke mind virus is that soon this frase is also going to be outrageous, because it means that the unapproachable is still an option, and that cannot be. so you should expect to approach the unapproachable in the future. woke will eliminate the words and the definitions.
Fermbiz
Gold Member
They butchered her because they cant stand beautiful women
I'm an ass man, so I love me a good looking chin butt.
Plague Doctor
Member
They didn't have that issue with Jedi Survivor either
Wow, yeahhhh I am seeing it more now.
Yeah it's really fucking weird that for male models, they mostly render them true to form.
Western Devs seem to have something specifically against the female models they hire. It almost feels like some sort of... idk man... like quiet contempt of conventionally attractive women. Like this is all part of the exercise. Hire a model conventionally attractive and then render them frumpier, roughen them up. The male models don't have that issue.
This isn't even about avoiding whack off material or some prude conservative bullshit to cover the women up. This is some sort of deeper shit.
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InterMusketeer
Member
Only some of them? How many is that? Half of them? Why would the director specifically focus on some of the opinions that are apparently done in bad faith, and not the others?
And why are they bad faith to begin with? How would you even know that? So many questions!
Zannegan
Member
What would make a dissenting opinion bad faith? People voicing their displeasure at a character's appearance could be characterized as shallow or irrelevent, but that doesn't make them bad faith arguments if appearance is something that genuinely matters to them.
And typically, appearance or attractiveness is something that matters to consumers whether consciously or unconsciously (not "fuckability" which is much more subjective). Ironically, a bad faith argument might ignore this paradigm or simply handwave all criticism away with blanket statements ...like "bad faith."
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This is a way better approach. Talking down to potential customers rarely works out well.
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BlackTron
Member
Kid mentality
Bernardougf
Member
BlackTron
Member
Okay? What if one person made a reply to a post you made in bad faith, do you suddenly shut down all conversation completely? To be frank, this is a bad faith question lol
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
sloppyjoe_gamer
Gold Member
It's like the dev team has invaded this thread with all the gaslighting and "Oh you want a fuckable character" talk going on in here
The dev is wrong to immediately shoot down all discourse of the character's appearance as "not worthy of engaging in". Is that how you want to talk to potential buyers of your product? Well, fuck you.....looking at your game, the game itself doesn't appear to be worth engaging in.
The dev is wrong to immediately shoot down all discourse of the character's appearance as "not worthy of engaging in". Is that how you want to talk to potential buyers of your product? Well, fuck you.....looking at your game, the game itself doesn't appear to be worth engaging in.
Astral Dog
Member
Idk i assume its real lol hunnigan is pretty cute both game and realYou clearly dont remember the controversy regarding DMC and how people were complaining that Lady looked too androgynous.
People started using photoshop to anime her up and telling Capcom what she actually should have looked like.
Also is that last image in the second collage real or are you playing?
for Lady, i actually find the Vergil model a bit awkward looking as well,its not that they are bad models but the change from anime artsyle to the new photorealistic art is a little shocking for DMC, it looks very different and i had mixed feelings about the art even if the quality is high, its not a big deal but i can see why it got people talking,its ok to have opinions
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I can understand these jealous and political artists purposely making female characters dumpy, while conveniently keeping the men hunks.
What is odd is why bother even hiring good looking actresses to begin with then? I'm going to assume better looking ones cost more. So just save some cash and hire a meh looking actress and go hog wild matching.
But what I think happens is they purposely do this to spite gamers and even the actress as their way of getting back at society for being outcasted losers. Just imagine what these people are like at family holiday dinners. There is no doubt in my mind just about everyone in their family tree thinks they are weird. So good ol 50 or 70 year old mom and dad probably lay them a lecture at dinner in front of everyone. Their best weapon is to bring their miserable home life to work and try to infuse it into products.
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MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Bad faith by definition means "Intent to deceive". Given the director can't sell people on a lie they've chosen to alienate others from proper discussion as they have no argument. So they run away and double down on their ideology. As fragile as it is.
So eager to sell expired beef as a fresh juicy steak. Garlic Salt sold separately on the cash shop.
So eager to sell expired beef as a fresh juicy steak. Garlic Salt sold separately on the cash shop.
Plague Doctor
Member
It's like the dev team has invaded this thread with all the gaslighting and "Oh you want a fuckable character" talk going on in here
The dev is wrong to immediately shoot down all discourse of the character's appearance as "not worthy of engaging in". Is that how you want to talk to potential buyers of your product? Well, fuck you.....looking at your game, the game itself doesn't appear to be worth engaging in.
Something that get's lost in the noise is also this: With the monumental cost of development and the long times between releases on this high profile games, you need to sell as much as humanly possible. To basically paint a sizable group in a negative light or to wholecloth dismiss a sentiment means the purchase potential has gone down even if this is a 10/10.
There is a reason big budget entertainment attempts to appeal to everyone. It has to justify its budget and then bring in a sizable return. They don't need to make all the money. They need to make all the money + more and this fucking arrogant chiding of potential consumers is just counter intuitive.
Agreed.
Yeah, getting incel adjacent vibes when they go through the process of going out of their way to hire these conventionally attractive models and then roughing them up in the final version.
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