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Target not selling physical Xbox games anymore?

I’ve observed similar in the UK

GAME used to have a huge wall of Xbox games, now it’s relegated to a single rack in the back corner.

Smyths Toy Superstore it’s difficult to find Xbox stuff now.

In Spain last summer I didn’t see anything Xbox related in shops whatsoever apart from a few Xbox 360 games in a retro section.

You lose your retail presence and a large chunk of the market start to forget that you exist.
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
This is either a misunderstanding on your part, or revisionist history. I'm not sure which, so let me clarify.

Certainly there are people who love their physical media and disparage digital delivery at every opportunity because they (correctly) see it as a threat to physical media. I don't care about physical media at all, but I sympathize with those who do. This has been and always will be a concern for some portion of the player base.

But the real point where people were "complaining about digital games" was the original plan for the Xbox One. Microsoft's original plan was not a digital delivery system like Steam, and what the console storefronts have now. The Steam model of selling games digitally via a one-time-use key that binds a license to a users account actually existed On Xbox before the Xbox One. Microsoft and Sony started allowing full games to be purchased from their stores at the tail end of the PS3 and 360 generation. I was very active on multiple gaming forums and listening to gaming podcasts/YouTube at that time. All I saw were neutral or positive comments about more choice and options .

What Microsoft tried to do with the Xbox One was different. They wanted to sell you a disc that had a key. You would buy the game disc and enter the key while connected to the online service so it could bind that key to your account. That would be fine if it ended there. You could go offline because your local console knows that your account has a license to play the game as confirmed by the ecosystem's server. This is what we have with the current digital storefronts on all ecosystems.

The part that ruined Xbox One was they wanted to give Game Stop (and other used game retailers) a system for unbinding that key from your account so they could resell the disc. Why is that a problem for the user? If Microsoft can't be sure that I haven't sold the disc for the game I'm trying to play, and therefore I no longer have the key bound to my account, then they have to do regular check-ins with an authentication server to verify all the keys on my console are still valid. If they didn't, I could buy a disc, install the game and bind the key to my account while my console is online, then go offline, go sell the disc to Game Stop where they unbind that key from my account. I could then go home and keep playing the game with my console offline, even though I no longer have the key bound to my account. Just requiring the disc to be in the drive would leave the door open for piracy if/when people figured out how to duplicate those discs.

This is where the idea of a mandatory online check-in every 24 hours came into play. With the scenario above, if I sold the disc to Game Stop and they unbound the key from my account, I would only be able to play the game without having a valid key for less than 24 hours. Then the console would connect to the server, see that I don't have that key anymore, and the next time I try to boot that game I get a message telling me I don't have a valid license to play it. Presumably I would then be prompted to buy a new key from the digital store, at which point my ownership of that game would shift to a strictly digital license like we have now.

The idea that I should have to tolerate a mandatory daily check-in with the server just so Microsoft could help keep Game Stop in business was the giant "fuck you" moment so many of us had towards the Xbox brand. That also means I have to rely on Microsoft having the authentication servers up 100% of the time so I don't get stuck in a situation where I just can't play my games at all, because their infrastructure was down. At that time, we had seen multiple events where Azure had gone down for days at a time leaving their customers non-operational.

So yes, some people do complain about digital because they just like physical media better. But the Xbox One was a very special case where they had a different plan for "digital" than every other digital storefront. It was a terrible plan and I still can't believe the management team at Xbox at that time thought it would fly.
Back then, the laundry list of reasons covered Xbox and PS gamers. Thats why Sony did that cheeky "heres how you lend a friend a disc" YT clip. MS never even went through with the mandatory online check by the time the system launched and both companies went full steam ahead focusing on digital while the PS3/360 gen they barely did (as you said they sold full games online at the end of the era).

All game forums back then had people not liking digital..... you cant trade it back in, cant borrow it, what if my internet goes down, downloading a game takes forever, you dont own the game (TOS), cant buy used copies etc....

So by the time both systems launched, it was a focus on digital of equal delivery and no 24H check ins. And gamers shifted. An all digital One S came out and PS5 has both disc and digital models. Digital sales are probably around 75%+ by now and even though discs can get discounted fast, people still prefer buying digital. Prices online and disc can get discounted great now, but way back digital prices on console were lousy as you didnt really get the hotter pricing like now. But people still migrated to digital.

All the uproar back then on social media and forums changed. The only people now who really care about discs are collectors or people who want to play offline if the game needs constant online connection.
 
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There was a thread on this recently where I said the only place that seems to care about physical games anymore is Target but even they are going downhill. Target and Walmart are ghost towns here in every section except Switch. Best Buy has been abysmal for years. Xbox does seem to be the lower stock on games out of the two trash sections though.

Physical is just on the way out. Reminds me of cassette and DVD.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
There was a thread on this recently where I said the only place that seems to care about physical games anymore is Target but even they are going downhill. Target and Walmart are ghost towns here in every section except Switch. Best Buy has been abysmal for years. Xbox does seem to be the lower stock on games out of the two trash sections though.

Physical is just on the way out. Reminds me of cassette and DVD.
Not just physical games but physical shopping as a whole.

Years back, they converted the Best Buy near me to this ugly pseudo half store/half internet pick up store where they cornered off half the store like a fulfillment centre with their own dedicated pick up desk. This desk had more workers than the standard check out counter.
 

Brucey

Member
Not just physical games but physical shopping as a whole.

Years back, they converted the Best Buy near me to this ugly pseudo half store/half internet pick up store where they cornered off half the store like a fulfillment centre with their own dedicated pick up desk. This desk had more workers than the standard check out counter.
That's so they can offer same day delivery so the slackers don't even have to sober up enough to drive to best buy.
 

Brucey

Member
Told you guys years ago, people stopped buying physical Xbox games when game pass started. Our store went from ~100 copies of big Xbox games between 3 stores to currently 5-10 between 4 stores.
Seems like gamepass just hastened death of both physical and digital game sales for Xbox. And with physical xbox game sales declining, why would stores continue to allocate shelf space to them when it could be used for PS or Switch games instead?
 

demigod

Member
There was a thread on this recently where I said the only place that seems to care about physical games anymore is Target but even they are going downhill. Target and Walmart are ghost towns here in every section except Switch. Best Buy has been abysmal for years. Xbox does seem to be the lower stock on games out of the two trash sections though.

Physical is just on the way out. Reminds me of cassette and DVD.
Here we go again with the Sonytoo. You are full of shit dude. Every Walmart I’ve been to has cases full of Playstation 5 games. What, do you live in the boonies or something?
 

MrA

Member
Wrong question.
The correct one is: why do you need games on disc at all when less than 10% of the audience buy them?
Because that's not accurate the insomniac leaks showed first party games at ~50% physical
Everything we get physical digital splits on new releases it runs around 50:50
Here we go again with the Sonytoo. You are full of shit dude. Every Walmart I’ve been to has cases full of Playstation 5 games. What, do you live in the boonies or
Funfair i checked the most rural walmarts website and they all carry around 100 switch games and a bit below that for ps5 games (possible to check stock on their website)
Personally I'm annoyed to no end how badly ms botched the xseries , I thought with Bethesda and their other acquisitions they would have been able to chip away some share from Sony, but nope focus on dumb tat like refrigerators and chocolate controllers and not high quality exclusive games resulting in ms market share imploding
 
From a major city in the US and noticed a couple months ago at my local best buy that the freaking meta quest section was the same size as the Xbox. Nintendo and PlayStation dwarfed both.

Why I truly don't understand why MS seems committed to more hardware. It's just dead
 

RoboFu

One of the green rats
A lot of it is down to game preservation.

If you buy a disc with a full game on it then you own it for life, it can’t be taken away or modified as download games rely on server availability and an account.

My daughter loves unwrapping a new game on her birth day and Christmas morning, why would I want to take that away?

Can you even play a console without an account these days?
Like it might not even be if the games are whole or not on disks .. it could be " does the online service still exist to even log into my old console?"
 

A2una1

Member
What would be the next big title from Microsoft they release on disc, Doom?

Would be interesting to get just a xbox/pc/ps5 pro numbers account of how many actually purchase the physical disc on this one…

Might be a poll worth making on launch and having PS5 regular in a poll within itself.
I mean, due to Game Pass I don't think there are many Xbox users buying Microsoft published titles anyway.
 

BlackTron

Member
Gamers were full of shit (at least core gamers on forums bitching and moaning).

Remember back when everyone was complaining about digital games, system checks, online required connection etc.... Discs ruled for a laundry list of reasons from price, to trading/lending, to collectability, to lack of ownership of digital games if you read the TOS etc... There must had been 10 key reasons.

Fast forward to around 2020, and I think console gamers were already around 60-70% digital I think. Nintendo skewed lower, but PS/Xbox was higher. Now, it's got to be an even higher rate. Probably 80% I'd guess.

I wonder how severe the decline of physical games would be if physical hadn't ceded so many of its benefits. The average joe knows you no longer just put the disc in and it works, and it's roulette whether it has any value at all beyond an activation code coaster. Most normal people don't want to research these issues on a game-by-game basis and if physical isn't really much better anyway just download it to begin with and move on.

We might look at Nintendo for an indication because while not perfect, they have essentially preserved the experience of buy game in pretty box, put in system, game starts running especially in first party titles. There's no reason if you bought the new Zelda or Kart at Target, passengers couldn't be playing it before you even leave the parking lot. There are still vestiges of powerfully simple Game Boy DNA in Switch (along with every other system they have done, it's like a blender of everything).
 

GHG

Gold Member
Can bookmark all you want but they definitely won’t come standard, and if they’re not standard it’s the last gen they’ll be offered.

There's a big difference between being optional and not having one at all.

There were both physical and digital SKU's available at the launch of both the PS5 and Xbox Series launches. What he's suggesting is that there will only be digital options with no option for physical media by the time next gen rolls around.

Nintendo are on the cusp of launching a new console and it will still have physical media compatibility as standard.

Ehh it's getting closer. Even PlayStations have optional drives now.

Yes darling, optional, just as it has been all generation.
 
No, it won't. Sony just launched a $700 mid-gen refresh without a disc drive. The only reason the thing can use the Slim drive is because it's part of the PS5 generation and they want people to upgrade to it from their existing PS5. The PS6 and next Xbox will be all-digital. People are in denial.

I am thinking that it'll be more an accessory for Sony to make money off of... and maybe make money on those "Collector" editions.
 

RoboFu

One of the green rats
I know it will never happen because of the move to all digital and the focus on e-waste these days, but I would love for games to come on hu-card type carts again. Or maybe modified long sd cards like in cyberpunk. Never been a fan of disks.
 

ManaByte

Member
I know it will never happen because of the move to all digital and the focus on e-waste these days, but I would love for games to come on hu-card type carts again. Or maybe modified long sd cards like in cyberpunk. Never been a fan of disks.

Well Nintendo will ALWAYS distribute their games on a proprietary format that they control.
 

Brucey

Member
Can bookmark all you want but they definitely won’t come standard, and if they’re not standard it’s the last gen they’ll be offered.
So you are saying for the ps7 generation there won't be an optional disc drive add on? Hard to say what will be happening say 12 years from now, assuming ps6 in 4 years and ps7 8 years after that.
 

Brucey

Member
No, it won't. Sony just launched a $700 mid-gen refresh without a disc drive. The only reason the thing can use the Slim drive is because it's part of the PS5 generation and they want people to upgrade to it from their existing PS5. The PS6 and next Xbox will be all-digital. People are in denial.
You need to differentiate between Xbox series "all digital" and ps5 digital models (except for the initial launch units).

Xbox all digital (series s and series x digital) - no disc drive option
Ps5 digital - disk drive option available
 

ManaByte

Member
You need to differentiate between Xbox series "all digital" and ps5 digital models (except for the initial launch units).

Xbox all digital (series s and series x digital) - no disc drive option
Ps5 digital - disk drive option available
That’s not what I was talking about. But war on warrior.
 

Zacfoldor

Member
a lot of places are ditching physical games. it's a waste of space and effort. nobody is buying them anymore.
I disagree. I think actually that many families still buy physical. I think for Nintendo and to a lesser extent Sony, the day their games are digital only will be a day that they are reduced in sales potential. I think nobody buys Xbox physical games because nobody play Xbox and Xbox is removing their physical games because shelf space in a very expensive commodity and it can't be taken up with product that isn't moving anymore. I think Nintendo will fight for their shelf space until their dying breath and if they lose it , it would hurt their business significantly.
 
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So you are saying for the ps7 generation there won't be an optional disc drive add on? Hard to say what will be happening say 12 years from now, assuming ps6 in 4 years and ps7 8 years after that.
Listen. I'm all for having physical as an option but:
  • Disc drives are already optional on PlayStation consoles and have been since the beginning of this gen.
  • Xbox also now has 2 digital only consoles, and at least around here it's near impossible to find a Series X with disc drive.
  • PC is basically 100% digital now
  • We are already at up to a 70/30 split in favor of digital and it's going to continue to narrow.
I think the next gen PlayStation console/consoles will have physical as an option but I bet it's just a digital SKU with separate drive available much like now but with no physical SKU but people are in denial if they think the 11th gen consoles will have a physical option. You'll be lucky to have it be an option next gen.

Nintendo is your only real hope for keeping physical alive.
 

gothmog

Gold Member
Shelf space, physical media, and inventory have a cost and apparently nobody wants to pay it. It's not some kind of conspiracy as much as simple economics.
 

Punished Miku

Human Rights Subscription Service
Shelf space, physical media, and inventory have a cost and apparently nobody wants to pay it. It's not some kind of conspiracy as much as simple economics.
What I'm wondering is if they care to even be in stores at all. Not being physical doesn't mean you can't be in stores. Could have a card rack with the cover art and you take it to the counter and pay and get a code. Could even make them into collectible post-cards if they really wanted. Would be dirt cheap to keep it in the store, and wouldn't take up a ton of space. They either haven't done it yet, or they just don't think its even worth the effort and all the action is on digital storefronts.
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Shelf space, physical media, and inventory have a cost and apparently nobody wants to pay it. It's not some kind of conspiracy as much as simple economics.
Yup.

The Best Buy by me has hardly any gaming. IN fact they converted half their store to an internet fulfillment pick up centre. So other product categories got axed too.

As for the WM near me, the entire entertainment section has been getting gimped more and more on media. The section is still the same size (that walled off kind of section), but they seem to have filled it with lots of PC/electronics parts.

Although oddly, last time I saw, they always seem to have that aisle rack of DVDs and TV boxsets. So somehow even a boxset of crap like Dukes of Hazzard or random movie X might still get some shelf space. Though I dont think they even think much about what goes on it. Just whatever movies and TV shows they got on them.
 
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DragoonKain

Neighbours from Hell
Xbox isn't even making physical games anymore, are they? Their newest Xbox Series X doesn't even have a disc drive and they discontinued the older model(I believe, correct me if I'm wrong). So why would they continue to produce physical games for a console that doesn't even have a disc drive?
 

jroc74

Phone reception is more important to me than human rights
Xbox isn't even making physical games anymore, are they? Their newest Xbox Series X doesn't even have a disc drive and they discontinued the older model(I believe, correct me if I'm wrong). So why would they continue to produce physical games for a console that doesn't even have a disc drive?
Most were focused on the PS5 Pro falling behind the PS4 Pro in that tweet....and no one really paid attention to this.

I don't think we know for sure if its been discontinued, but that usually happens when a new model comes out.

The digital edition XSX caused the digital % to grow alot for Series consoles.
 
The next gen consoles won't have a disc drive. People here don't want to accept that reality.
I guess I fail to see why this really matters. some PlayStations and Xbox's already don't include a disk drive. Doesn't really account for other things sold in stores like controllers headsets and other accessories that take up space.

Rather my point was just that it's a completely dead brand, regardless how they try to market it.
 

Evil Calvin

Afraid of Boobs
And they wonder why 'physical game sales are way down' Of course!! If there are no games to buy then the only way is digital.

Nintendo doesn't see new 1st party/ 2nd party games on release on Amazon. Tried to order Xenoblade Chronicles X on Switch and it's just not even available (never was, for pre-order)

I think most companies are doing this to boost digital sales. They get more $$$ for that.
 

gothmog

Gold Member
Yup.

The Best Buy by me has hardly any gaming. IN fact they converted half their store to an internet fulfillment pick up centre. So other product categories got axed too.

As for the WM near me, the entire entertainment section has been getting gimped more and more on media. The section is still the same size (that walled off kind of section), but they seem to have filled it with lots of PC/electronics parts.

Although oddly, last time I saw, they always seem to have that aisle rack of DVDs and TV boxsets. So somehow even a boxset of crap like Dukes of Hazzard or random movie X might still get some shelf space. Though I dont think they even think much about what goes on it. Just whatever movies and TV shows they got on them.
My teenage kids don't understand and are largely frustrated by physical games in a world of digital stores/sales, in game stores, and battle passes. I don't really blame them either. It's not so much the instant gratification of being able to buy games as much as the relatively bad feeling of spending time going to the store, buying a game, installing it, patching it, and then finally playing hours later.

As gaming enthusiasts I think we underestimate how much patience we have given this hobby over the years.
 
Will PS be dead when it’s digital only (it will be despite the denial)?
No? Why would it be? As mentioned, a lot are already digital and what is it at like 75% of people are already digital. Wouldn't also be shocked if Sony continues to offer attachable disc drives as they currently do.
 
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