Basileus777
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The Kiseki / Trails (of the Sky/Zero/Ao/Sen/Etc) Community Thread: SPOILERTAGS OR DIE
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This is how I see it but I don't think it's how Falcom see it.
iRAWRasaurus
Banned
Hows the progress of it coming along?
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
That's all it is. The games have been very clear about Agate not having any romantic feelings towards her.
DrunkShogun
Member
Finger cross Agate makes us proud and helps her get over her crush. They've got a nice relationship as it is.
StarSketch
Banned
I just hope I can keep my cool long enough for it to come out in english
I started spoiling Persona 5 within an hour of it being out in Japanese >.>;
After the way their bond was formed, yeah. I don't know if people have siblings, or know what those relationships are like (or if they've had good ones), but Agate really does treat her like she's his little sister, and even dotes on her a little too. I can see Tita growing up and having a little crush on him because she thinks he's cool, but nothing serious at all.
Or maybe i'm naive, and every boy/girl (hell, even same gendered ones) relationship in everything ever always automatically means they're having sex and making out all the time no matter what. And that you can't ever love someone platonically.
Maybe he'll introduce her to Elliot, lol.
CrimsonFist
Member
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Dragoon En Regalia
Member
The Dengeki leak mentions how Agate's matured emotionally since he became friends with Tita and took Leonhardt's wisdom into account. I can see him getting romantically interested in other female Bracers and friends at this age, but not Tita since she's a different kind of trouble (and the Russell family will always, repeatedly abuse him in ways they don't think about because of their isolation from Agate's way of life). Agate might be passive-aggressive about telling Tita he's not going to be her one and only, or he could present dating as an alternative (maybe one he's been doing already).
I wonder if Sara x Agate's the next viable ship, not that I'm expecting it.
I wonder if Sara x Agate's the next viable ship, not that I'm expecting it.
Pretending that something like family between a boy and a girl exists in Japan. P5
Futaba
ThatChairMan
Member
Goes without saying. Nobody is immune to his charms.
No it isn't.
No. That stuff is there but it's minor in the grand scheme of things.
Dragoon En Regalia
Member
The harem element's generally not prominent except in parts of CS2, but it's there and Rean's a rather disappointing (but still decent) protagonist. Cold Steel offers enough NPC dialogue, political intrigue, and world-building to sort of make up for lack of character development (or flawed writing) and outright pandering which even the Crossbell arc avoided or did uniquely. So far Sen III looks like a mix of high-tension politics and claustrophobia for the new cast and trappings from CS1, but it's been three years since CS2 and, if this game really does wrap up the Erebonia arc, then it's going to go crazy places. That tidbit about
is one sign that shit's going down.
Olivert and Agate planning a big scandal around the Hundred Days War to harm Osborne diplomatically
I joke about it, but nah. This ain't like Persona where the main character can just straight up have a harem. If you pursue a relationship with a character, then some of 'em will end up with feelings for Rean, and if you don't, then it's all platonic (with the exception of Alisa, which makes sense).
And good thing too, means I can go for Sara who is obviously the best fit for Rean. Dude needs someone who can pat his head instead.
And good thing too, means I can go for Sara who is obviously the best fit for Rean. Dude needs someone who can pat his head instead.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Not really. They do let you sort of choose who to have romantic developments with, but that's all. There's little romance stuff outside of select bonding events.
DrunkShogun
Member
Olivert is superior.
It's like the most sidelined content of the game ever. But it's what a general populace likes to focus on the most for some bewildering reason.
Edit: Rean definitely displays some of those attributes at times though, but a lot of it gets sidelined by the second game when they start to develop him a lot more as a character with his own set of problems rather than your insert to learn about the world and people.
Them amber eyes, yo.
Glitter and Gold
Banned
I really don't get it. Persona gets way less criticism for it and it's an actual game mechanics in those games.
Yeah I figured as much
The writing in SC has been incredibly strong so far. Doubt they'd stoop to indulging into some real creepy shit.
RainbowIslands
Member
I lied a little. CS released Sept. 26, CS 2 Sept. 25. Zero Sept 30, Ao Sept 29.
Games usually release on Thurs in Japan, and so lately Falcom always release their trails games on the last Thursday of September. Sept. 28 is the last Thursday of the month this year.
I guess it's somehow tied to how sept 30 ends the first half of the fiscal year, and they want to report some earnings for that?
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Yeah. They want the game out in time to be able to report the profits for it.
Glitter and Gold
Banned
Falcom always releases their biggest game of the year in September.
or at the very least that's how it's been for them since their shift to console.
or at the very least that's how it's been for them since their shift to console.
Scrooge McDuck
Member
I mean, that's basically how Rean and Elise's relationship is. It doesn't make it any less annoying when the oblivious Rean just let it fester on and on. Agate is a grown up veteran now so I hope he fares better.
Oh phew, that is much much better. The short excerpt on that Japanese site in that thread really truncates Tita's desciption.
I dislike how Persona handles its romance, too, but that series never actually have romantic content front and center on the narrative so it comes off as less disappointing to me.
Trails in the sky the 3rd ending
So did I understand it right, at the end when Kevin and Ries shoot Rufina he destroy the manifestation of his stigma in Phantasma but it also destroys his real Stigma ? And if so how come he is still a Dominion, talking with Ein Selnate at the end about choosing a new title. I was under the impression you need a Stigma to be one. Or did I just misread and he still has his stigma ?
Blue Stream
Neo Member
What they destroyed was just a mere copy of his stigma. So no, the destruction is no consequence to Kevin.
Glitter and Gold
Banned
Idk I don't really think it's front and center here. Vs in persona which literally warns you when you try to initiate relationships while already being in them
I really just don't get the focus on them in these threads. Either being disappointed at their execution or complaining about Alisa being "canon" it just seems so asinine to me in the grand scheme of things. It's such a minor part of these games and can be completely ignored if its not your bag.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Just like "dating" in Persona. It's exaggerated to the point where people unfamiliar with the series associate it with that particular aspect when it's mostly tacked on to a game that's more about bonding as friends.
Scrooge McDuck
Member
Oh it's definitely not front and center here in Cold Steel, but my three most memorable moments in [Sky FC/SC]
are when Estelle and Joshua proclaim their love to each other only for Joshua to leave, when they finally reunite and become official, and the falling kiss at the end.
The Persona community threads used to be the same way and I used to make the same case.
I think people tend to conflate their investment in a single element of these games with the actual weight that it carries relative to the whole experience.
Glitter and Gold
Banned
Yeah but I don't think every game needs to be like that though. Especially within the same series.
I think it's 100% valid to prefer that type of story, but I'm not sure you're really correct in concluding that the "harem" format is preventing them from doing that again. I don't really think Falcom is interested in doing another Estelle/Joshua story in the series to begin with, because they already did it. and really well.
You know what I forgot the mods had to create and entire thread at launch to quarantine that bullshit so maybe I should just consider myself fortunate
Scrooge McDuck
Member
The series might not need it, but I do.
But to be serious, I firmly belief that the ideal romantic plot is the one that's tied to narrative and character growth. I see your point that it might not be the kind of story Falcom want to tell, though.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Not every game needs to be a romantic plot, though. The Sky games worked because the romance was really a key part of the story, but not every story needs to have the same focus.
Cold Steel just doesn't have romance as a focus, which is fine. The bonding event stuff even isn't very romance focused, aside from the endings to a couple of them. I'd prefer that to them trying to make another Estelle/Joshua situation and falling short, personally.
Young Magus
Junior Member
Glitter and Gold
Banned
No disagreements here. I just disagree with the idea that Cold Steel, or any game not containing such a romance plot is a failing of that game or its structure.
Estelle and Joshua are a one of a kind pair. I imagine that Falcom would sooner bring them back into the story than they would try and replicate their relationship with another couple
A bit late replying but where is Lake Ebel in the map? I think it's somewhere in between Sutherland and Legram right? Hamel is somewhere in Sutherland right?
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I updated this thread to include the more detailed map, and more up-to-date info regarding the state of the games in the west.
Ah, forgot to post it here: I updated the map to include central Zemuria as well. People seem to underestimate the distance between Grancel and Le Locle in Leman.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Falcom/comments/6a3xdq/zemuria_in_s1205_a_new_homemade_map/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Falcom/comments/6a3xdq/zemuria_in_s1205_a_new_homemade_map/
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
North Ambria seems a lot bigger than I had assumed. I had been thinking it was a much smaller place, more on par with maybe a couple of regions of Liberl.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Zemuria is enormous.