Ironman_Bad
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No idea however for the last 16 years they have produced numerous classics and been top 3 developers in existence
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Was Naughty Dog games better before Neil Druckman?
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James Sawyer Ford
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You should take Bruce's advice with all your rampant speculation
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Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
UC2 and TLoU1/2 are masterpieces so no-ish?
PatientGamer
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No, people hate Druckmann just because he put 'gay stuff' in their video games and killed their favourite character.
The games he made before were UC4 + TLOU1, not to mention that he was involved in other ND games too.
So a resounding 'No' to this question for me.
The games he made before were UC4 + TLOU1, not to mention that he was involved in other ND games too.
So a resounding 'No' to this question for me.
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DaichiChan
Neo Member
Wasn't he just a Co writer and Amy was the real goat?
Vick
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Imagine stating Straley had no impact on story and narrative of his game, and a thousand other aspects of the whole creative process, and then telling others to stop the speculation.
Feel Like I'm On 42
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No not better just different. I've enjoyed LoU1+2 and Uncharted 4 way too much to way otherwise
James Sawyer Ford
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Imagine stating Straley had no impact on story and narrative of his game, and a thousand other aspects of the whole creative process, and then telling others to stop the speculation.
I never said he had NO impact
but Druckman's influence on story was literally his main job for TLOU1
Vick
Member
And Straley's role was to push back on his retarded ideas and come up with better stuff, together.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Where is the proof that Neil had only retarded ideas and that Bruce made sure they weren't retarded?
Why didn't they just fire Neil if he was such a retard?
Hohenheim
Member
It's just silly trolling at this point, surely. It definitly doesn't feel sane.
i mean..we're a couple of Druckman threads away from him overtaking "the fall of xbox" as the main topic in here.
And the lack of "woke juice" in the Xbox discussions will surely push "Druckman hate" over the line as the main topic on this forum in 2024.
As for this specific Druckman thread:
No.
For me, ND got a lot better with this dude in charge. The guy's got a CV that most folks in the industry would kill for.
His later stuff is (obviously) not for everyone (as no games should be), but the quality of the games he's been in charge of is very, very impressive.
bundylove
Banned
God no. Was the second worst of all.
Uncharted 2 is gold standard. The rest fuck it.
Tlou was different but came at the time when walking dead was at its peak.
Short version would be before microcuckman ND games were about fun and light harted humorous stories. Ever since TLOU cucktransformerman is chasing over the top depression . Which i do like but seen better done in many other games.
I want the old days back when ND or other devs had 2 teams working on different type of games with different vision.
Lately its all one style for decades see gurrelia games that are stuck on horizon for a very long time .
Ever played distruptor on ps one? Its an insomniac game and now they are stuck with super hero games that i really dont care for
tmlDan
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omg please just lay off ND, whats the point of this stuff.
There's no way you people actually believe it was better with janky ass crash, Neil has been around since Crash 3
Nope UC4 is the best game, objectively.
has the best narrative and best combat
There's no way you people actually believe it was better with janky ass crash, Neil has been around since Crash 3
Nope UC4 is the best game, objectively.
has the best narrative and best combat
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bundylove
Banned
Absolutely not.
Period
tmlDan
Member
yes, it was, period.
The interactions and story beats were thee most engaging of all of them and the grapple adding combat variation never seen in the previous ones. Driving was also significantly smoother than previous iterations
manfestival
Member
this provides good insight. I kinda wanted to knee jerk reaction and say yes but after looking at this.... I just want to say no. it wasnt
Vick
Member
Guess who believed the revenge nonsense (basically the exact plot of Part II, Druckmann's baby) was convoluted and impossible to buy into, forcing the person who wrote it to hammer his head on the wall trying to come up with something better..
Feel free to also take a look at the names credited for Story, and the order they are listed.
James Sawyer Ford
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Guess who believed the revenge nonsense (basically the exact plot of Part II, Druckmann's baby) was convoluted and impossible to buy into, forcing the person who wrote it to hammer his head on the wall trying to come up with something better..
Feel free to also take a look at the names credited for Story, and the order they are listed.
Wow
So neil isn't a total retard and came up with a good ending! And Bruce credits him for that!
Amazing.
Madflavor
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I consider TLoU to be a transitional period for Naughty Dog. It was one of my favorite games ever, but Part 2 ruined it for me and I haven't played it since. I think once Naughty Dog became the Neil Druckmann Show in the post TLoU Era, the games became less fun, and more about Neil living out his fantasy to be a Hollywood Director.
recursive
Member
Someone buy this guy a bar of soap and some shampoo. Greasy bastard.
bundylove
Banned
Then you never played the others and you have the lowest standard a gamer can have
FalconPunch
Member
Nah, that’s uncharted 2 but a strong argument could be made for 4. Uncharted 2 is pretty much perfect. You can replay it 10 times and have a good time. Replaying uncharted 4 is a slog and TLOU 1 and TLOU 2 is unbearably bad.
bundylove
Banned
tmlDan
Member
you just have really shit taste, i bought the first game at launch. Im an OG, kid.
bundylove
Banned
Nah you not.
You are an OG beta.
tmlDan
Member
you couldn't even give me a single reason as to why you're correct, just called me a beta. You're just not very smart.
bundylove
Banned
You wont succed with your little jabs against my 45 years of life on this prison planet.
I just dont have energy to waste on you or to debate you.
Randall365
Member
They ripped off Indy, then they ripped off Walking Dead, now they’re gonna rip off Alien. These people are not that creative.
SF Kosmo
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I'm not a particularly huge Naughty Dog fanboy, so I don't have any particular attachment to any era, but I do think TLOU2 is probably the most polished and refined game I've ever played and brilliantly written, even if it is kind of miserable at the same time. So I voted no, because I think Druckman is very talented.
Moriarty1889
Member
Definitely not.
RCU005
Member
Doesn't this shut people up?
He was gameplay programmer for Jax. So people saying he only does playable cutscenes, it's not true.
He designed and wrote Uncharted. So for people saying Naughty Dog was better with Uncharted, it's the same guy.
So what the issue?
I'm not in favor of forced woke at all. I hate when it's forced. However, people just hated on The Last of Us 2 because they killed Joel in the opening segment. Then, since people were already mad for nothing, they started criticizing Abby.
People are hating on Intergalactic because of a bald head! I mean, that's exactly what the actress look like? You are allowed to not like an actress physical appearance, but it's not like she can be born again with a look that pleases you. Also, that shit about "ugly girls" First, as if you're so handsome every girl want to be with you. Second: It's not like every single person has to be beautiful.
"Oh but she has bratty attitude!" Have you played the game? Do you have the context of the entire situation that precedes the trailer? "But she slurps her drink in a disrespectful manner" Again, do you know what is going on?
I'm not defending Neil Druckmann. He is just making the game, and you are very welcome to not like it, but please move on to something you DO like.
It's like the Sonic design for the movie. It was bad, it didn't have anything to do with the classic design, so people rightfully complained, but in this case (with Intergalactic) we still don't have anything to compare to, and no reference whatsoever.
The guy has proved to be a great writer and great game designer. He has made great games. Can he fail and make a bad game? Yes, but he hasn't yet.
Bernardougf
Member
Uncharted 4 already was pretty shitty under his influence, I doubt that the Drakes ass kicking by she-male Nadine was not his idea... and than came the worst sequel of all time in TLOU2 ... the man think he is a genius while writing biggot sandwich lines ... awsome... I want to see a fart smelling fight between him and Rian Johnson, two heavy weights in the "I love my own farts" league.
Kumomeme
Member
people really want to pretend Amy Heanig and Bruce Starley didnt exist lmao
also itseems lot of people first ND game is TLOU1? lol
it is fine if want to give him credit but dont pretend like other guys not exist and diminished their effort. remember, some people walk so others could run. also the severe pedestial worshipping feels like some agenda in moving lmao. thread like this feels cringe and desperate.
also itseems lot of people first ND game is TLOU1? lol
it is fine if want to give him credit but dont pretend like other guys not exist and diminished their effort. remember, some people walk so others could run. also the severe pedestial worshipping feels like some agenda in moving lmao. thread like this feels cringe and desperate.
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MayauMiao
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So because it was Druckman we got Nadine, one of the most awful girlbos in the game.
Funny enough she was redemmed and somewhat likeable in Lost Legacy, which didn't have Druckman involvement.
TropicanaTwista
Member
Ahhh what would Gaf do without another Druckman thread. Overall I think ND quality is pretty much the same. He was co-writer on both uncharted 2 and TLoU, so really tough to say they are worse. They are both probably 2 of my all time favorite games ever.
LectureMaster
Gold Member
Didn't know Druckmann was not involved lost legacy. I think Nadine was alright, as least having a consistent personality and background.
Druckmann as a lead figure of Naughty Dog? Absolutely yes.
Druckmann in the company? Nah. He was with ND since Jak 3 so give credit where it's due, he was apart of making some good games. Crash trilogy was fantastic but the Jak series and Uncharted Series and TLOU1 were phenomenal too.
Druckmann in the company? Nah. He was with ND since Jak 3 so give credit where it's due, he was apart of making some good games. Crash trilogy was fantastic but the Jak series and Uncharted Series and TLOU1 were phenomenal too.
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CashPrizes
Member
Seeing how Last of Us and Uncharted 2 are their 2 best games, and he was involved in both, clearly no.
cormack12
Gold Member
Eh, isn't that kind of the Ellie plot in TLoU II? With the same result in Santa Barbara?
Anyway, the studio under Druckmann clearly has some of the most technically proficient and gifted people in the industry. However, it's clear from that Laura Fryer video that he is not being a great studio leader. And to be fair, making a move from a technical or specific role into a leadership/managerial role is difficult no matter the industry. And he's obviously been away assisting with the TV show so has probably let the day to day be run by other senior people in his absence. To me, he's got the studio in a great place as he's ascended, but like so many who try to distance themselves from what they used to do, he has still got his fingerprints on some things going on. And I think currently these are the weakest or more questionable parts of ND at the moment. I feel right now, some parts of his games are performative or too heavy handed with meta commentaryt on the culture war to be taken seriously, and unfortunately though Neil may have that narcissistic trait to ignore any criticism or refusal to reflect, the rest of his studio are being hung out too.
Physiognomonics
Member
Exactly this. This story should be a sticked thread even. TLOU's story was saved (salvaged even) by Straley and also by the actors themselves who brought realism and humanity to their characters. What Druckmann wanted to do with TLOU1 was basically TLOU2 which he finally did once Straley was out of the picture. We know how it turned out. Great gameplay, great graphics... shitty woke story.And the Druckmann-only version of The Last of Us would have been a completely different game.
Don't know about you, but I'm glad Straley and company were there to prevent the game from being a revenge story about Tess, as a main antagonist, torturing Joel after chasing him for a year, before being killed by Ellie.
The fact the entire Part II plot is nothing more than a recycled, rejected nonsense from the previous game, mixed with a total fan fiction tier "NPC #4790 had a family who seek revenge", starring that joke of a character Abby, should make it crystal clear what kind of complete hack he really is.
Kiya's Guard
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Crash Bandicoot!
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