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[Windows Central] Microsoft and Xbox announced 'Marvel's Blade' at The Game Awards — but could it also be coming to PlayStation?
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StealthGoblin
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That's not the same. Revenue projections play a role in platform negotiations.
I expect it to be exclusive, but I don't think it Xbox wanted Spiderman exclusive at their current position it would be as likely as Sony having it. Blade is a lesser IP with lower likely projections anyway.
GHG
Member
Don't worry, it's clear. What's beneficial to Microsoft takes precedence over your personal stances on exclusivity.
If only other gamimg companies were afforded such leniency.
cireza
Member
What is clear actually, is your bad faith and the lengths you are ready to go to, in order to advocate for your narrative. Which implies scanning posts history, takings quotes deliberatly out of context, hoping that people will read them quickly in order to push a false argument. And overall, building hostility towards fellow gaffers in order to push your favorite narrative (MS = bad, Phil = liar, Xbox fans = paid shills).
You have perfectly understood what I said, and my personal stance. Yet you are playing dumb by pretending that you cannot make the difference between a personal preference and an objective statement. If this is the picture you want to draw for yourself, then please do.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
To be fair it could well be entirely the same. Sony might pay a flat fee for Wolverine, which would be preferable in some circumstances - if the game flops marvel make less. If Sony pay a flat fee to use the license, Marvel aren't affected if the game underperforms.
Astray
Member
Market cap != cash flow.
Starbucks lost $11bn in market cap recently, does that mean that they actually lost S11bn from their bank accounts? No.
Xbox as a console brand has failed to be profitable for most of its existence, we know that Microsoft is keen on gaming, but is it actually keen on keeping Xbox afloat for life? Does Satya still have an appetite for losing out on his bonuses for it?
We don't know for sure, but the current situation can't just keep going on and on, change will likely need to happen in some manner or another.
GHG
Member
I don't draw the pictures, just observe them.
You've said what you've said and your views are your views. You should try owning them instead of twisting yourself in unnecessary knots.
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Assaulty
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As long as it launches on gamepass day 1 I am fine. I don't see the point in this childish back and forth about it beeing exclusive or not. I hope its coming to PlayStation day 1 and to game pass day 1. Best of both worlds revenue wise and everybody gets to enjoy a potential great game
GHG
Member
Don't waste any more time here, you have job to do in other topics !
You're an inspiration to me.
S0ULZB0URNE
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TrebleShot
Member
Tired .
This will come to PS5 , Disney and Sony have a very strong relationship. But mostly it makes business sense and Phil Spencer made comments what like 2 weeks ago that they will be making games available on all platforms. They’d love to have game pass on PS5 it’s only Sony stopping it. So this will come to Sony machines.
Just want to point out to whoever keeps bleating on about PC being VERY popular in Europe, it’s popular but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s in single digits in comparison to consoles for market share of gaming. PC is way more expensive in Europe than the states.
This will come to PS5 , Disney and Sony have a very strong relationship. But mostly it makes business sense and Phil Spencer made comments what like 2 weeks ago that they will be making games available on all platforms. They’d love to have game pass on PS5 it’s only Sony stopping it. So this will come to Sony machines.
Just want to point out to whoever keeps bleating on about PC being VERY popular in Europe, it’s popular but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s in single digits in comparison to consoles for market share of gaming. PC is way more expensive in Europe than the states.
StealthGoblin
Banned
So …… money then? I’m assuming we are talking about the same Disney here…. So..
Maybe they want to grow the brand or IP. If that's the case then skipping PlayStation isn't wise.
Like I said, I expect it to be exclusive, but let's not pretend there are many potential reasons for it to be multiplat.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Not the same type of situations. I know the usual Xbox doom crew are talking about console sales and blah blah but Disney only cares about one thing: money. If MS writes the check, they don’t care about console wars.
But more importantly, Xbox has a strong recent history of releasing games on numerous consoles. Sony has a history of doing it with one yearly sports roster update they put out, and they only do that because the alternative is they don’t get to make the game anymore. And it’s a service game loaded with microtransactions, so it benefits them there, too. Sony views games differently. They think the value tanks if it’s on other platforms.
You’re wasting your time with his type, honestly
TrebleShot
Member
I think Starfield comes to PS5 in a year or twoSo you are going Moriarty's way "Starfield will be on PS5 same day as on Xbox"?
Okay
ChuckeRearmed
Member
We will see when we finally get the movie. Considering the quality and state of all the recent Disney movies, I don't have high expectations.
The recent hearing was a lot of about "Xbox might start selling consoles because of exclusive games coming out of Bethesda acquisition" so Microsoft won't give them additional ammo.
Astray
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There's literally no such thing as "extra ammo" until the FTC somehow manages to win its appeal.
Microsoft is not gonna halt its operations for an appeal case that doesn't have the ability to bring up any new evidence exhibits yet.
It's far likelier to be a licensing issue with Marvel, as they are the ones who own the IP and thus decide on what gets made where and what doesn't.
Disney have historically never launched any game day 1 on a subscription service, right now they are doing everything possible to reverse their mistake of doing so on Disney+. Including bringing former Disney+ exclusive movies to cinemas!
Everything is possible here imo, which is far likelier to be the reason no platforms were mentioned yet, not some FTC concern.
Gavon West
Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
Arkane is a FIRST PARTY STUDIO. Thought that much was obvious. If Marvel wanted a game to hit all platforms you dont go to a first party owned developer to do it. Not a chance this hits Playstation.
Gavon West
Spread's Cheeks for Intrusive Ads
Not even remotely the same. MLB forced Sony to make it multi or they would lose the license completely. Sony opted to make the game multiplatform.
pasterpl
Member
They might be still in negotiations with Marvel/Disney re this. Game is probably 2-3 years away.
edit. We know it will be on Xbox, gamepass, pc, steam that’s the minimum that we can be sure of.
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Topher
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Then there was no need to even announce the game at this point.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
That's not your answer. The cold hard reality is that Sony had much greater leverage in negotiations considering that they possess considerable control over the Spiderman IP and PS has a much greater install base than Xbox. Those things do matter. However, I am shocked that they were able to pull off Wolverine as being exclusive. But that falls on Microsoft for being such a shit brand for so long.
FrankWza
Gold Member
Consider the source of the "controversy"
It's going to be a console exclusive and PC. This site is a mouthpiece for phil and he is the ultimate console warrior. They're just trying to manufacture hype.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
You just completely contradicted yourself. Sony had a FIRST PARTY STUDIO (putting it in bold letters like you) making the Show, that went multiplatform, which could...not saying it's gonna....happen here. So now you're saying that because Arkane is FIRST PARTY STUDIO (gonna keep the bolded letters theme going) that they can't do the same. Eventhough Xbox has a FAR FAR FAR weaker negotiating position than Sony does for exclusives. You're right, it's not the same just not in the direction that you think.
To be fair, I think Blade is exclusive to Xbox, but why not say so? You want this to be a "we got this!" moment and instead you have all this talk that could quickly be fixed by a clarification.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
FrankWza
Gold Member
No they didn't. They were going to allow 3rd party to make MLB games as well. The comparison would be if marvel licensed blade to Playstation as well if Microsoft won't make this game available to other consoles. The Show is never a good one to one comparison because Sony owns that IP and it is based on licenses from MLB and MLBPA for player likeness and team branding. MLB can license that to any developer but they can't make The Show without Sony. It would have to be called something else. That's why they tried to resurrect R. B. I. Baseball a few years back.
graywolf323
Member
they won’t, even if it was always going to be exclusive
they’re still pretending to be play dumb about Elder Scrolls VI despite documents from the FTC trial showing they always intended for it to be exclusive
FrankWza
Gold Member
Because it has people talking about it. This is Blade we're talking about. Cool character and decent movie but not exactly a household name.
GHG
Member
It's exclusive but I think they will be using the current uncertainty to their advantage, it's got people talking about it.
BbMajor7th
Member
Papa Marvel: "Sony, I'm giving you Spider-Man and Wolverine."
Microsoft: "What about XBOX?"
Papa Marvel: "Oh, um... you can have... uh *sorts through insanely valuable superhero IP* Iron-Man-no, Hulk-pfft, Hawkeye-ye-- Blade! You can have, Blade!"
Microsoft: "What about XBOX?"
Papa Marvel: "Oh, um... you can have... uh *sorts through insanely valuable superhero IP* Iron-Man-no, Hulk-pfft, Hawkeye-ye-- Blade! You can have, Blade!"
SEGAvangelist
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The FTC theory seems to make the most sense. The game didn't even get announced for Game Pass, so maybe this is more of a recruitment announcement like Perfect Dark was back when.
Ok? So is Sony San Diego. You don't even know when this was negotiated either. I think it will be but you make it seem certain when it's anything but.
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Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Yeah, its not a big Marvel property, and by numerous accounts the new movie is in development hell. So making an arrangement for exclusivity shouldn't be much of a hurdle.
Bigger issue for me is that Arkane Lyon needs a hit; Deathloop did not do well despite its positive critical reception, and I'm somewhat doubtful that Blade is going to turn things around for them. The last two studios I know of who handled the property got ruined by it, because in the context of a videogame Blade the character really isn't particularly special or interesting to play as. (They also got saddled by the worst producer in history, and Activision at their scummiest, but that's another story...)
SEGAvangelist
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Maybe a recruitment thing.
twilo99
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$$$
mayham2199
Member
I can just see Phil now "Guys you keep worrying about sales but have you heard about our engagement numbers....".
Daneel Elijah
Member
For me, Disney is greedy and ask too much for exclusivity, as after this horrible year they want to get some money. What is weird is that this kind of deal should have been done a lot earlier. If Disney already said yes, there is no reason not to tell people that it will be a Xbox exclusive. If they did not, then either don't make the game, or admit it when you announce it, as saying it later will disappoint people even more. It should be exclusive, as this kind of game is not a GAAS game and that it is probably aimed for a Gamepass release. So if they got a deal from Disney for Indiana Jones, they should be able to do the same for Blade.
What is funny and caused this thread to be 4 pages and will potentialy grow even more is that Xbox could have easily prevented from having that problem. Announce games when they are ready. Even Sony got problems with games like the Kotor remake when they announce games that are not ready. Or Nintendo next Metroid, that will probably skip the Switch at this rate.
What is funny and caused this thread to be 4 pages and will potentialy grow even more is that Xbox could have easily prevented from having that problem. Announce games when they are ready. Even Sony got problems with games like the Kotor remake when they announce games that are not ready. Or Nintendo next Metroid, that will probably skip the Switch at this rate.
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MrTired
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I believe that the game is an exclusive but the Xbox brand is "toxic". In so far as if it was revealed as an exclusive the amount of awareness the game would generate would drop by an not so insignificant amount.
A significant amount of people will immediately disengage from checking out the coverage. It the same reason they were vague about Starfield release platform cause they don't want Playstation gamers to immediately disengage so the can sell them on the Xbox platform.
The fact that the platform is in this state we're there's a "stench" being associate with Xbox says it all.
A significant amount of people will immediately disengage from checking out the coverage. It the same reason they were vague about Starfield release platform cause they don't want Playstation gamers to immediately disengage so the can sell them on the Xbox platform.
The fact that the platform is in this state we're there's a "stench" being associate with Xbox says it all.
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ShadowkillXNA
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You mean like all the hyperbole prerelease for wet farts like Starfield? Redfall?
The games don't have the impact the brand needs them to have.
But please, continue on with the "it's not me that's wrong.......it's literally everyone else!" schtick.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Here's the truth right here. It's really up to Marvel. But MS could offer them so much money, that they'll turn their heads and accept to make it exclusive.
The only question is, how much will it take? Marvel knows for a fact what a good Marvel character game can make money-wise. Spiderman 2 made $350 million in 11 days for instance!
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Redfall is a genuinely bad game, Starfield should not be uttered in the same sentence.
You may have not liked it, but millions have.
