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[lachesis]

Back to the starting point - that now I'm waiting for 9070XT's restock. I was feeling pretty bad that I could have gone to Microcenter in the morning, than waiting and be fooled by Bots on line... but learned the lesson.
My previous success of nabbing 4080 Super FE, and nabbing PS5/XSX preorder on 1st day has spoiled me, I think. Now I failed 4 times consecutively - PS5 Limited Edition, 5090/50 FE, 5070Ti and 9070xt.

But it's just a chip. I still have 4080 Super on my main rig to rock with (I was looking for living room gaming PC's GPU) - and I can watch videos with 7800x3d's iGPU for now... and hope time will allow the prices and demand to come down quite a bit.

9070xt maybe a great one - but I'm little concerned about the power usage. I'm sure the thermals are all good and all, but seems like it's really really pushing the NV48 chip to achieve that kind of performance.
After seeing GN video, I'm more intrigued by regular 9070 - but still think this is overpriced, especially if it's falling so far behind on RT vs 5070. $499 or $449 could be far more compelling, no brainer purchase... or maybe that's the job of 9060xt?

Now patiently awaiting next shipments (hopefully not too long for both XT and Non-XT), and would want to see if this will bring any reaction from Nvidia, and current overpriced market.
I am beginning to wonder what kind of black friday deals will be there this year - and wonder if Nvidia will release revised 50 series Super earlier than usual.

 

[64gigabyteram]

Back to the starting point - that now I'm waiting for 9070XT's restock. I was feeling pretty bad that I could have gone to Microcenter in the morning, than waiting and be fooled by Bots on line... but learned the lesson.
My previous success of nabbing 4080 Super FE, and nabbing PS5/XSX preorder on 1st day has spoiled me, I think. Now I failed 4 times consecutively - PS5 Limited Edition, 5090/50 FE, 5070Ti and 9070xt.

But it's just a chip. I still have 4080 Super on my main rig to rock with (I was looking for living room gaming PC's GPU) - and I can watch videos with 7800x3d's iGPU for now... and hope time will allow the prices and demand to come down quite a bit.

9070xt maybe a great one - but I'm little concerned about the power usage. I'm sure the thermals are all good and all, but seems like it's really really pushing the NV48 chip to achieve that kind of performance.
After seeing GN video, I'm more intrigued by regular 9070 - but still think this is overpriced, especially if it's falling so far behind on RT vs 5070. $499 or $449 could be far more compelling, no brainer purchase... or maybe that's the job of 9060xt?

Now patiently awaiting next shipments (hopefully not too long for both XT and Non-XT), and would want to see if this will bring any reaction from Nvidia, and current overpriced market.
I am beginning to wonder what kind of black friday deals will be there this year - and wonder if Nvidia will release revised 50 series Super earlier than usual.

you can undervolt and get equivalent performance. Now I'm not sure if you're willing to fuck around with undervolting and all that jazz, but if you want to have the superior performance with less power it's always an option

 

[rubik's dude]

Lmao I remember going to Best Buy and being able to look at all the graphics cards on the shelf, with enough to go around for everyone. Top of the line 8800s at or below MSRP, which was around $300-$500 ($500 - $700 adjusted for inflation).

This hobby's gone to shit.

 

[Crayon]

you can undervolt and get equivalent performance. Now I'm not sure if you're willing to fuck around with undervolting and all that jazz, but if you want to have the superior performance with less power it's always an option

I like low power usage. I have a 6800, which is not bad at all at 230w. But I still trim the clock a bit and dump the voltage. Keeps it under 200w and as far as I can tell, only loses a few frames when it's pegged.

I'd be more interested in the 9070 than the xt if the price made a little more sense. Of course with the state of the market, the price might make perfect sense...

 

[//DEVIL//]

imagine standing in line for mid overpriced gpu in 2025.... what the hell

Why not ? The price of the card even above msrp is actually good . Fsr 4 is better than dlss3 and no matter what you look at it , it’s much cheaper 5070ti.

It didn’t help that Nvidia discontinued cards way too early for the 4000 and not stock of 5000. Made everyone desperate for card and hate Nvidia shitty moves at the same time.

More power to AMD. They deserve the success of this card .

I am using currently a 5080 till I get the 5090 but fuck I am so tempted to buy that nitro + card for its back connect awesome look

Many amd cards this gen have this awesome look / design to it makes it appealing .

 

[rofif]

Why not ? The price of the card even above msrp is actually good . Fsr 4 is better than dlss3 and no matter what you look at it , it’s much cheaper 5070ti.

It didn’t help that Nvidia discontinued cards way too early for the 4000 and not stock of 5000. Made everyone desperate for card and hate Nvidia shitty moves at the same time.

More power to AMD. They deserve the success of this card .

I am using currently a 5080 till I get the 5090 but fuck I am so tempted to buy that nitro + card for its back connect awesome look

Many amd cards this gen have this awesome look / design to it makes it appealing .

I mean, I would stand in that line myself,. great.!
I am just criticizing that WE HAVE TO to get msrp or to get it at all.
It just sucks in this sucky time. thats all.
No criticism towards standees

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Oh yah sometimes I forget there's an Internet outside YouTube.

Ah yeah.....I've seen him before. Cool. Thanks.

I watched that video and was disappointed. It was talking about checking the districts and manually installing the new mesa dtivers…and didn’t give any info on how to do it…my 9070XT will arrive on Monday and I’d like to be ready to install it my Bazzite PC

 

[Topher]

I watched that video and was disappointed. It was talking about checking the districts and manually installing the new mesa dtivers…and didn’t give any info on how to do it…my 9070XT will arrive on Monday and I’d like to be ready to install it my Bazzite PC

It's probably not going to work on your Linux quite out of the box. It's officially supported but it's in the latest kernel and Mesa driver. So you're probably going to have to put those in manually. The amount of time it'll take to be rolled into your distro depends on the distro.

Wendell on level one techs has a tutorial.

Where was that tutorial again Crayon ?

 

[bender]

Where was that tutorial again Crayon ?

Go to your Finder and delete your preferences.

 

[lachesis]

you can undervolt and get equivalent performance. Now I'm not sure if you're willing to fuck around with undervolting and all that jazz, but if you want to have the superior performance with less power it's always an option

Yeah - it's good to know & that's something that I'm thinking about doing. I am using an old Corsair HX750 as PSU for this PC - and while it should be enough to support the whole system... (7800x3d @ 1.25v PBO -30, B850 board, 2x16gb DDR5-6000 30CL, and a single NVME 2TB SSD) - but want to play safe and reasonable.

Most of stock 9070XT's recommended PSU is 750w, but some go for 800w for stock...

 

[SolidQ]

 

[kiphalfton]

One guy I know bought one for 1120€. I dont know how to tell him he was extremely ripped off lmao

I think this might be one of those times where their spouse/partner telling them they're an idiot would be justified.

 

[Boo Who?]

That is pretty impressive.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

It's probably not going to work on your Linux quite out of the box. It's officially supported but it's in the latest kernel and Mesa driver. So you're probably going to have to put those in manually. The amount of time it'll take to be rolled into your distro depends on the distro.

Wendell on level one techs has a tutorial.

Where is that tutorial? I saw one video where he says what needs to be done but doesn’t give any advice for novices on HOW to do those things which I found frustrating!

 

[64gigabyteram]

Yeah - it's good to know & that's something that I'm thinking about doing. I am using an old Corsair HX750 as PSU for this PC - and while it should be enough to support the whole system... (7800x3d @ 1.25v PBO -30, B850 board, 2x16gb DDR5-6000 30CL, and a single NVME 2TB SSD) - but want to play safe and reasonable.

Most of stock 9070XT's recommended PSU is 750w, but some go for 800w for stock...

speaking not just for you but everyone- if you know how to underclock try underclocking your XT. its the exact same performance at a lower power draw and probably helps the lifespan of the card too.

I knew that the 9070XT's wattage was fishy from the start and this undervolting confirms it- it really doesn't need all that power

 

[Crayon]

I watched that video and was disappointed. It was talking about checking the districts and manually installing the new mesa dtivers…and didn’t give any info on how to do it…my 9070XT will arrive on Monday and I’d like to be ready to install it my Bazzite PC

Where was that tutorial again Crayon ?

I believe he said come over to the level 1 techs forum. It's more general linux stuff than specific to just this. I've installed a late-issue mesa driver before and it's no big deal. And "building the kernal" is not even close to as bad as it sounds. There's a c compiler built into gnu and it's been one of the most basic key functions for like 40 years. It makes short work of a compilation ("building") with one command.

When I was new to linux, I got a maxwell card when they were new. I had to ssh into my computer with another one and do a "headless install". It was scurry but I did it first try.

If you are not down for that, you can check which distros like to do bleeding edge updates and they are going to package it the soonest. I'm sure nobara and bazzite are all over it because they specialize in gaming. Something like mint, ubuntu, pop, focus on long-term reliability so prefer to stay a few versions back on some proven kernels and packages. Arch based distros are my bet to get it in the fastest.

Edit: full disclosure for prospective lmr's: Things go most smoothly if you only use hardware that has been out for a bit. Otherwise, you will find that your favorite distro might be hesitant to go throwing shit in there and you'll have to do it yourself. Things can get rough. Not in this case, but back when I had to do that headless install it felt like a hundred steps on a comuputer that could not send out any video signal at all while I worked on it.

 

[StereoVsn]

So Microcenter had a restock tonight. I managed to snag one of the last MSRP cards they had, and that was the Asrock one. Will see how well it works out.

Anyways, was watching the Level 1 video on Linux and they do have some instructions on the forum. I feel like giving AMD another weeks would be smart. Also doesn’t seem like OC is available on Linux right now.

 

[Crayon]

So Microcenter had a restock tonight. I managed to snag one of the last MSRP cards they had, and that was the Asrock one. Will see how well it works out.

Anyways, was watching the Level 1 video on Linux and they do have some instructions on the forum. I feel like giving AMD another weeks would be smart. Also doesn’t seem like OC is available on Linux right now.

Not sure if the oc thing is specific to rdna4, but i can tell you that the nvidia/amd "control panels" are not usable on linux. Nor afterburner or things like that. There are other programs that work great, though.

 

[StereoVsn]

Not sure if the oc thing is specific to rdna4, but i can tell you that the nvidia/amd "control panels" are not usable on linux. Nor afterburner or things like that. There are other programs that work great, though.

Oh, so it is doable? Going to do some research over the weekend.

Edit: On a separate note at least Microcenter seems to be getting some restock. Just this one store must have gotten 50-70 cards today.

 

[Crayon]

Oh, so it is doable? Going to do some research over the weekend.

Edit: On a separate note at least Microcenter seems to be getting some restock. Just this one store must have gotten 50-70 cards today.

Yeah I like corectrl. Really simple. Reliable. Of course, JUST SO YOU KNOW YOU'RE ON LINUX, you need to edit a conf file to get full control of the gpu. Another thing that's not that hard but stuff like that will trigger some people lol. Completely understandable.

 

[Ovek]

I will never again in my entire life attempt to get a GPU on launch.. I will wait until midway through the generation and pick it up for well below original MSRP.

 

[StereoVsn]

Yeah I like corectrl. Really simple. Reliable. Of course, JUST SO YOU KNOW YOU'RE ON LINUX, you need to edit a conf file to get full control of the gpu. Another thing that's not that hard but stuff like that will trigger some people lol. Completely understandable.

Great, going to go check it out over the weekend if I can get to it. Might push it off another few weeks for drivers to stabilize.

 

[Crayon]

Great, going to go check it out over the weekend if I can get to it. Might push it off another few weeks for drivers to stabilize.

Haven't looked too much into it but i bet the driver is fuckin tits lol. Or at least will be very soon. Since they open sourced it, it's probably been better than on windows. Shit, I forget I even have drivers sometimes. People talk about amd driver problems, but I totally wouldn't know because I don't have any experience on windows. Aside from ray tracing taking them a long time to roll out in stable builds, all my amd experiences have been bullet proof. I don't even know or care when it gets updated because it's distributed with the system.

 

[64gigabyteram]

So Microcenter had a restock tonight.

There's a lot of 9070s still stuck on the shelf in duluth. A lot of the XTs are gone.

keep sitting there.... let the prices drop.... muahahhahahahaha

 

[StereoVsn]

There's a lot of 9070s still stuck on the shelf in duluth. A lot of the XTs are gone.

keep sitting there.... let the prices drop.... muahahhahahahaha

Vanilla 9070 doesn’t make sense with $600 XT. XT sold out at the MC I went to like 15 min after I got my card including cards for $200 over MSRP.

Until/if Nvidia fixes stock issues, 9070XT will keep selling out.

 

[64gigabyteram]

Vanilla 9070 doesn’t make sense with $600 XT. XT sold out at the MC I went to like 15 min after I got my card including cards for $200 over MSRP.

Until/if Nvidia fixes stock issues, 9070XT will keep selling out.

9070 would be a genuine deal if they could get the prices down to <480 or so. You'd be paying 50$ more than a hypothetical 5060ti for 70-90% more performance and actually futureproof VRAM.
please

 

[StereoVsn]

4070 would be a genuine deal if they could get the prices down to <480 or so. You'd be paying 50$ more than a hypothetical 5060ti for 70-90% more performance and actually futureproof VRAM.
please

They will have 5060Ti 16GB for like $550-600 street and probably crap availability. And they will have 5060 8GB (lol in 2025).

NVidia isn’t interested in consumer hardware anymore.

 

[Buggy Loop]

 

[asdasdasdbb]

4070 would be a genuine deal if they could get the prices down to <480 or so. You'd be paying 50$ more than a hypothetical 5060ti for 70-90% more performance and actually futureproof VRAM.

40 series except for the 4060 has been out of production for months.

 

[64gigabyteram]

40 series except for the 4060 has been out of production for months.

ah i meant 9070

 

[asdasdasdbb]

ah i meant 9070

Figure they want to save the $499 price point for a theoretical 12 GB N48 if they want to.

 

[BattleScar]

AMD has 10% market share. Nvidia has 90% marketshare.
Nvidia's availability is negligible.

How the hell would you expect AMD to be able to compensate for Nvidia's demand? Their supply chain isn't able to cope with that, and you can't expect them to prepare to supply 50% of the market or more, when they've not had 50% market share for 20 years.

 

[StereoVsn]

Figure they want to save the $499 price point for a theoretical 12 GB N48 if they want to.

Yeah, if anything we already know that at least in US cheapest XT cards will be $650 soon.

So AMD doesn’t need to lower the price unless Nvidia drops 5070 vanilla pricing or 5060Ti 16GB turns out to be better than expected and has stock.

 

[Crayon]

Now we need nvidia to be competitive lol. Fuck innovation just make the goddam things.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

AMD has 10% market share. Nvidia has 90% marketshare.
Nvidia's availability is negligible.

How the hell would you expect AMD to be able to compensate for Nvidia's demand? Their supply chain isn't able to cope with that, and you can't expect them to prepare to supply 50% of the market or more, when they've not had 50% market share for 20 years.

It's easy when Nvidia is apparently not shipping anything

AMD might get 90% market share if they have 100 product for every 10 Nvidia has

The real question is if Nvidia cares enough about the consumer GPU market anymore to actually supply it with product

 

[BattleScar]

It's easy when Nvidia is apparently not shipping anything

No?

AMD might get 90% market share if they have 100 product for every 10 Nvidia has

Please explain how they can do this?

The real question is if Nvidia cares enough about the consumer GPU market anymore to actually supply it with product

They don't.

 

[kiphalfton]

Lmao I remember going to Best Buy and being able to look at all the graphics cards on the shelf, with enough to go around for everyone. Top of the line 8800s at or below MSRP, which was around $300-$500 ($500 - $700 adjusted for inflation).

This hobby's gone to shit.

Most hobbies have gone to shit.

Problem is people are just trend chasers.

I want gaming to go back to niche hobby.

 

[Codeblew]

Yeah I like corectrl. Really simple. Reliable. Of course, JUST SO YOU KNOW YOU'RE ON LINUX, you need to edit a conf file to get full control of the gpu. Another thing that's not that hard but stuff like that will trigger some people lol. Completely understandable.

Yeah, that is one of the major things holding back newbies from trying Linux for gaming. It isn't hard if you follow guides but can be daunting for some.

 

[Crayon]

Yeah, that is one of the major things holding back newbies from trying Linux for gaming. It isn't hard if you follow guides but can be daunting for some.

Daunting or just annoying. I think a lot of people would be surprised that you can get a taste for it, though. There's no (what I call) hyper-user who's ultimately operating your computer. For better and worse, It's all you. I like it. The flip side of a lot of these little things is that once you fix it, it ain't going to break.

I am really hesitant to actually recommend switching to linux for people because it's really easy to set up expectations when you get into evangelizing mode. I warn people that you are sort of taking an industrial strength server os that is intended to be maintained by a team of professionals, and trying to run your own computer with it by yourself. I'm not trying to scare people off, just paint a picture of what you are getting into. It's not like switching to mac.

Evangelizers like to lie and say you never have to touch the terminal. Sure, my mom and dad don't have to touch the terminal because I don't give them their admin pass. They are never going to do anything but open a browser. They will never even know it's not windows. In fact, I can show them cinnamon and gnome and ask if they want "normal computer or mac" lol. But anyone here switching is eventually going to have to hit that terminal. The twist is that it's actually pretty dope. If you want to install vlc, type sudo yum install vlc and that shit is ripping down from your closest university faster than you can search up their website to find the installer. It's a beautiful way to operate a computer, maybe because your grandma can't do it and not in spite of that.

Another thing I say to people considering linux: do you have a reason? Like, why? There are a ton of good reasons (including you just hate ms hehehe) but if you struggle to name one, it might be better to just go learn about the foss philosophy and maybe get inspired a bit. Because it's going to take a bit of motivation.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Yeah, that is one of the major things holding back newbies from trying Linux for gaming. It isn't hard if you follow guides but can be daunting for some.

The major thing that is holding back everyone from using Linux for anything on the desktop is simply that Windows works (most of the time) and all the applications and games you want to run are natively on Windows

Most people who are sick of Windows (and don't need to run games) just switch to Mac which has Unix/BSD underpinnings anyways but is actually user friendly for normies

I hate Windows as much as anyone but I'm sorry I don't have time to fuck around with Linux all day and night I just want to play Monster Hunter Wilds

 

[Crayon]

The major thing that is holding back everyone from using Linux for anything on the desktop is simply that Windows works (most of the time) and all the applications and games you want to run are natively on Windows

Most people who are sick of Windows (and don't need to run games) just switch to Mac which has Unix/BSD underpinnings anyways but is actually user friendly for normies

I hate Windows as much as anyone but I'm sorry I don't have time to fuck around with Linux all day and night I just want to play Monster Hunter Wilds

The main reason is because computers don't ship with Linux.

Like now, now I can tell someone who is thinking about trying Linux to go buy a steam deck. That's right. Go spend $400 and try Linux that way. People spend $400 to try all kinds of things.

When's the last time you seen someone say they hate their steam deck because Linux is so hard? Practically never? Actually never? That's because it's spec and design to ship with linux. And it has its own recovery image of the distro that is specifically tailored for it. And "it just works". In fact, you will find a lot of people saying "it just works" better than Windows does on a steam deck.

Now what you really want is systems that ship with Windows but were also tested with linux. When that general steamos distro drops, things will start to change a bit. That's the next step. Who the f*** is going to want to ship a handheld that gets all broken when you load steamos on it. Even if the things shipped with windows.

 

[LordBritish]

These are popping in and out of stock on amazon all day, long enough to get one if you are interested.

 

[Soodanim]

I was considering the 9070 for its power draw, but if this is the case then that's my mind made up. Thank you.

Yeah I like corectrl. Really simple. Reliable. Of course, JUST SO YOU KNOW YOU'RE ON LINUX, you need to edit a conf file to get full control of the gpu. Another thing that's not that hard but stuff like that will trigger some people lol. Completely understandable.

To confirm, corectrl allows you to undervolt AMD GPUs?

 

[Crayon]

I was considering the 9070 for its power draw, but if this is the case then that's my mind made up. Thank you.


To confirm, corectrl allows you to undervolt AMD GPUs?

Yes. It's not enabled by default. Theres instructions on the git page i linked. For the first time in a few years i am not using it because bazzite comes with one called LACT. It seems good. It doesn't do cpu or fans but I never messed with that anyway.

 

[Soodanim]

Yes. It's not enabled by default. Theres instructions on the git page i linked. For the first time in a few years i am not using it because bazzite comes with one called LACT. It seems good. It doesn't do cpu or fans but I never messed with that anyway.

Now I just need to find something in stock.

 

[Crayon]

Now I just need to find something in stock.

9070 might need some manual upgrades to work right now.

 

[ValiantInstance]

Why not ? The price of the card even above msrp is actually good . Fsr 4 is better than dlss3 and no matter what you look at it , it’s much cheaper 5070ti.

It didn’t help that Nvidia discontinued cards way too early for the 4000 and not stock of 5000. Made everyone desperate for card and hate Nvidia shitty moves at the same time.

More power to AMD. They deserve the success of this card .

I am using currently a 5080 till I get the 5090 but fuck I am so tempted to buy that nitro + card for its back connect awesome look

Many amd cards this gen have this awesome look / design to it makes it appealing .

I mean that seems a bit of a weird trade no? And I'm a huge AMD fanboy at the moment.

Here is the Nitro+ in all it's glory. The RGB was set seperately, I need to buy a Corsair ARGB cable to get it to sync properly.

I bought a native 12 pin to hook up to my PSU. I love how clean the case looks without all those chunky PCIE cables.

 

[winjer]

 

[StereoVsn]

Yes. It's not enabled by default. Theres instructions on the git page i linked. For the first time in a few years i am not using it because bazzite comes with one called LACT. It seems good. It doesn't do cpu or fans but I never messed with that anyway.

Oh, what do you use for a fan curve adjustment then?

I guess I can just ask Gemini or CharGPT, lol, but figured might as well ask.

 

[Moses85]

Did somebody of you guys test Portal RTX? If yes, how does it run? Thanks