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[StevieP]

Based on how iPad sales alone sell more than the entire console + handheld game market I'd say a decent amount are buying them for the family.

The rumors of a 200-250 7 inch iPad coming this fall aren't going to help matters.

You're smokin some funny stuff if you think the iPad mini's going to be 200 bucks.

 

[Curufinwe]

$300 is the absolute minimum price Apple would charge for a smaller iPad. They sell the crappy iPod Touch for $200 now.

 

[pestul]

Your Apple hypothesis could be one of many reasons; that parents who would have previously bought a dedicated handheld for their offspring, no longer do so, putting the budget towards an ipad instead. Something that can be justified as an educational and multimedia tool as well as a device that can be used for gaming.

I guess parents paying for their children's monthly smart phone bill might be cutting into game allowance sales too. Just another speculation..

 

[Cheebo]

You're smokin some funny stuff if you think the iPad mini's going to be 200 bucks.

Oh yeah I agree. Seeing how iPad 2 is $399 my guess is it will go for $299.

 

[djtiesto]

You keep saying these things, and you haven't given a reason why.

Once you understand that either Obama or Apple can do no wrong in Cheebo's eyes, it makes a lot of sense.

 

[John Harker]

sorry if old but Jim Sterling may know something we don't. According to him Prototype 2 sold 190k
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/5709-Videogames-Are-A-Luxury
(at approx 3:30)

too low

 

[frankie_baby]

Oh yeah I agree. Seeing how iPad 2 is $399 my guess is it will go for $299.

$349 I reckon or even $399 as well

 

[params7]

"Last April, the top seven titles outsold the top-selling title this year, and, simply stated, there were notably fewer new market introductions," said Frazier.


that's really very sad.

 

[Mpl90]

too low

I knew it. It's still Sterling, after all.
Probably, it did more like 220k.

 

[Mpl90]

Nintendo charts. At least.

Wii

April Top 10

Mario Party 9
Just Dance 3
Skylanders Spyro's Adventure
Zumba Fitness 2
Super Mario Galaxy
PokéPark 2: Wonders Beyond
Wii Sports
Mario Kart Wii
Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games
Zumba Fitness

May 2011-April 2012 Top 10

Just Dance 3
The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword
Just Dance 2
Skylanders Spyro's Adventure
Zumba Fitness 2
Mario Kart Wii
Super Mario Galaxy
New Super Mario Bros. Wii
Wii Sports
Michael Jackson The Experience

3DS

April Top 10

Kid Icarus: Uprising - 83k
Mario Kart 7
Super Mario 3D Land
Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games
Skylanders Spyro's Adventure
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D
Sonic Generations
Tetris® Axis
Pokémon Rumble Blast
Cooking Mama 4: Kitchen Magic

May 2011-April 2012 Top 10

Mario Kart 7
Super Mario 3D Land
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D
Pokémon Rumble Blast
Star Fox 64 3D
Skylanders Spyro's Adventure
Kid Icarus: Uprising - 223k
Sonic Generations
LEGO Star Wars III: The Clone Wars
SUPER STREET FIGHTER IV 3D EDITION

Warning: Considering the new YTD Chart starts from May 2011 datas, this means that both SSFIV 3D Edition and Lego Star Wars III: The Clone Wars lacks of their performances in March, the launch month ( SSFIV did 95k ) and in April, the month after launch

DS

April Top 10

LEGO Battles: Ninjago
New Super Mario Bros.
Mario Kart DS
Pokémon White Version
Pokémon Black Version
Plants vs Zombies
Super Mario 64 DS
Toy Story 3: The Video Game
Moshi Monsters Moshling Zoo
Mario Party DS

May 2011-April 2012 Top 10

New Super Mario Bros.
Mario Kart DS
Pokémon White Version
Pokémon Black Version
Cars 2: The Video Game
Plants vs Zombies
LEGO Battles: Ninjago
Kirby Mass Attack
Super Mario 64 DS
LEGO Pirates of the Caribbean: The Video Game

 

[wrowa]

Even Nintendo's charts ignore Xenoblade, this is bullshit.

 

[Mpl90]

Even Nintendo's charts ignore Xenoblade, this is bullshit.

Probably for the same reason NPD did...since these are based on NPD datas.

 

[frankie_baby]

Even Nintendo's charts ignore Xenoblade, this is bullshit.

Maybe only three men and a dog actually bought it after all

 

[John Harker]

Even Nintendo's charts ignore Xenoblade, this is bullshit.

Don't think I can help with that one either, not in the U.S. anyway

 

[Averon]

3DS = 125K
NDS = 80K
PSV = 75K
PSP = 15K

Wow. The 3DS and the Vita performed even worse than my already low expectations. The 3DS is arguably worse given the massive price drop and games out for it.

 

[Miles X]

I can't say anything much really. Based on bits of info, my GUESSES are:

3DS = 125K
NDS = 80K
PSV = 75K
PSP = 15K

Those are completely unofficial, and probably have a good ±5K in them. They are just what I said: guesses.

Edit: I should stress that donny2112 works independently to do the predictions thread.

Gees even NDS is beating PSV!

3DS is terrible though all things considered, Nintendo played a big hand and it's not paying off.

 

[Sagitario]

Don't think I can help with that one either, not in the U.S. anyway

Help us with Tales of Graces then

 

[KirbYuuYuu]

Gees even NDS is beating PSV!

3DS is terrible though all things considered, Nintendo played a big hand and it's not paying off.

The big hand being rather small in comparison to NCL's hand.

 

[Father_Brain]

The big hand being rather small in comparison to NCL's hand.

Yeah, looking only at what's been released in Japan in the past five months, NOA's (and NOE's) hands have been pretty tied. Most of the games that have done well in Japan since MK7 either aren't well suited to Western markets, or require at least a few months of localization time.

That said, both Paper Mario and LM2 looked like they should have been completed by now, and I'm not sure why they still don't have release dates. They could have filled in the gaps in the H1 2012 schedule quite nicely.

 

[jman2050]

Yeah, looking only at what's been released in Japan in the past five months, NOA's (and NOE's) hands have been pretty tied. Most of the games that have done well in Japan since MK7 either aren't well suited to Western markets, or require at least a few months of localization time.

That said, both Paper Mario and LM2 looked like they should have been completed by now, and I'm not sure why they still don't have release dates. They could have filled in the gaps in the H1 2012 schedule quite nicely.

Looking at their initial software expectation for last year+what's been announced so far and it really seems like Nintendo expected more of their games to be ready by this time, but they had to be pushed back.

 

[Mpl90]

Gees even NDS is beating PSV!

3DS is terrible though all things considered, Nintendo played a big hand and it's not paying off.

It has almost 5 million done in 14 months. It paid off, and it'll continue to pay off. Just, they need freaking continuity of good content saleswise. And it seems it's coming. Maybe that's why Luigi's Mansion and Paper Mario have been delayed, in order to guarantee a non stop period of releases after NSMB2 unleashes all its brutal strength.

 

[BKK]

I can't say anything much really. Based on bits of info, my GUESSES are:

3DS = 125K
NDS = 80K
PSV = 75K
PSP = 15K

Those are completely unofficial, and probably have a good ±5K in them. They are just what I said: guesses.

Edit: I should stress that donny2112 works independently to do the predictions thread.

April portable hardware sales;

2005: 601,000
2006: 470,000
2007: 738,000
2008: 607,500
2009: 1,156,000
2010: 506,300
2011: 540,000
2012: 295,000

 

[KirbYuuYuu]

Luigi's Mansion looks like a lock for 2012, but nothing of Paper Mario in the west.

 

[Mpl90]

April portable hardware sales;

2005: 601,000
2006: 470,000
2007: 738,000
2008: 607,500
2009: 1,156,000
2010: 506,300
2011: 451,000 + PSP
2012: 295,000

One thing to note, or otherwise it seems "absurd": April 2009 saw the DSi launch.

 

[Des0lar]

April portable hardware sales;

2005: 601,000
2006: 470,000
2007: 738,000
2008: 607,500
2009: 1,156,000
2010: 506,300
2011: 451,000 + PSP
2012: 295,000

oh wow

This year is gonna be fun. How's the handheld software lineup during the summer draught?

 

[KirbYuuYuu]

oh wow

This year is gonna be fun. How's the handheld software lineup during the summer draught?

Exactly how you explained summer in general.

 

[Mpl90]

oh wow

This year is gonna be fun. How's the handheld software lineup during the summer draught?

June: Pokèmon Conquest, Gravity Daze, Heroes of Ruin, Rayman Origins 3DS
July: Theatrhythm: Final Fantasy, Rhtyhm Thief, KH3D
August: New Super Mario Bros. 2, Brain Training 3 (?)

 

[Father_Brain]

oh wow

This year is gonna be fun. How's the handheld software lineup during the summer draught?

Pokemon Conquest in June will do decently. There's nothing else major (in terms of likely sales) until KH3D at the very end of July, followed by NSMB2 sometime in August.

 

[Road]

April portable hardware sales;

2005: 601,000
2006: 470,000
2007: 738,000
2008: 607,500
2009: 1,156,000
2010: 506,300
2011: 451,000 + PSP
2012: 295,000

PSP sold around 90k in Apr, 2011 (from the Nintendo graphs).

 

[Snipes424]

I think it's about time for the next gen... This shit is depressing.

 

[Gravijah]

I think it's about time for the next gen... This shit is depressing.

good thing it starts this year.

 

[Des0lar]

June: Pokèmon Conquest, Gravity Daze, Heroes of Ruin, Rayman Origins 3DS
July: Theatrhythm: Final Fantasy, Rhtyhm Thief, KH3D
August: New Super Mario Bros. 2, Brain Training 3 (?)

I see NSMB doing very well and moving systems... The other games though, idk man, does Final Fantasy still move systems today? Looks depressing for hardware sales :/

 

[specialguy]

Mario Party 9
Just Dance 3
Skylanders Spyro's Adventure
Zumba Fitness 2
Super Mario Galaxy
PokéPark 2: Wonders Beyond
Wii Sports
Mario Kart Wii
Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games
Zumba Fitness

And people wonder why third parties didn't support the Wii.

 

[Gravijah]

And people wonder why third parties didn't support the Wii.

because they wanted to build games for the ps3 & 360.

 

[AbsoluteZero]

And people wonder why third parties didn't support the Wii.

Kinda hard for third-party games to appear on a sales chart when there aren't any in the first place.

 

[BKK]

Kinda hard for third-party games to appear on a sales chart when there aren't any in the first place.

There's 5 on that chart though.

 

[Diablos54]

There's 5 on that chart though.

Which screws the original point up in the first place! I'm shocked Specialguy didn't notice that...

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

June: Pokèmon Conquest, Gravity Daze, Heroes of Ruin, Rayman Origins 3DS
July: Theatrhythm: Final Fantasy, Rhtyhm Thief, KH3D
August: New Super Mario Bros. 2, Brain Training 3 (?)

KH3D will be counted in August though.

 

[Plinko]

And people wonder why third parties didn't support the Wii.

Mario Party 9
Just Dance 3
Skylanders Spyro's Adventure
Zumba Fitness 2
Super Mario Galaxy
PokéPark 2: Wonders Beyond
Wii Sports
Mario Kart Wii
Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games
Zumba Fitness

Wow. Did you even bother reading the chart?

 

[jcm]

Help us with Tales of Graces then

I think it's about time for the next gen... This shit is depressing.

Handhelds are already in next gen, which makes BKK's numbers all the more alarming.

 

[Jaded Alyx]

Mario Party 9
Just Dance 3
Skylanders Spyro's Adventure
Zumba Fitness 2
Super Mario Galaxy
PokéPark 2: Wonders Beyond
Wii Sports
Mario Kart Wii
Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games
Zumba Fitness

Wow. Did you even bother reading the chart?

Goal posts to be moved in 3..2...1...

 

[Plinko]

April portable hardware sales;

2005: 601,000
2006: 470,000
2007: 738,000
2008: 607,500
2009: 1,156,000
2010: 506,300
2011: 540,000
2012: 295,000

To me, I think this emphasizes the idea that people just really aren't clamoring for new hardware right now and are happy with the old stuff. I fully expect the same thing to happen with the new home consoles.

 

[Penguin]

Goal posts to be moved in 3..2...1...

"WEll you wonder why 3rd parties didn't bother supporting the Wii with hardcore games!"

 

[muu]

Not enough Bald Space Marines in the third party titles listed for his liking.

 

[bigtroyjon]

April portable hardware sales;

2005: 601,000
2006: 470,000
2007: 738,000
2008: 607,500
2009: 1,156,000
2010: 506,300
2011: 540,000
2012: 295,000

As long as Nintendo realizes this is the new normal they will be fine but Sony is screwed cause this market ain't big enough for two.

Their best move at this point might be to just let the year play out, then do a re-branding and relaunch next year positioning the Vita as a multifunction, multimedia device that also plays high quality games. By then it could have a $200 price point along with bundled memory and if marketed right it will be a solid success although GAF might not like the lessened focus on games.

 

[BurntPork]

And people wonder why third parties didn't support the Wii.

Chicken and the egg?

EDIT: Wait... *looks at list*

Are you on something? Seriously, that was fucking hilarious. Best fail ever! Thanks for that. <3

 

[Plinko]

As long as Nintendo realizes this is the new normal they will be fine but Sony is screwed cause this market ain't big enough for two.

Their best move at this point might be to just let the year play out, then do a re-branding and relaunch next year positioning the Vita as a multifunction, multimedia device that also plays high quality games. By then it could have a $200 price point along with bundled memory and if marketed right it will be a solid success although GAF might not like the lessened focus on games.

In this market, I don't see Sony ever releasing another handheld.

 

[muu]

As long as Nintendo realizes this is the new normal they will be fine but Sony is screwed cause this market ain't big enough for two.

Their best move at this point might be to just let the year play out, then do a re-branding and relaunch next year positioning the Vita as a multifunction, multimedia device that also plays high quality games. By then it could have a $200 price point along with bundled memory and if marketed right it will be a solid success although GAF might not like the lessened focus on games.

The problem I see with this approach is that they've already tried this with their 'PS Suite' stuff. PS Phone and those wonky tablets (I assume) supported the standard, but were largely left out to rot. The multimedia device wars is already a iOS vs Android thing, and unless Sony wants to be just another pawn on the Android side there's really no chance of making a splash.

 

[Diablos54]

Chicken and the egg?

Hmm... Well both are tasty but I prefer pork.

 

[bigtroyjon]

In this market, I don't see Sony ever releasing another handheld.

I'm not talking about releasing another handheld, I'm talking about re-branding the Vita.