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[VanCityGamer]

I see more and more sites and people claim the price will be $700+gst.
Thats $945+gst canadian. A thousand bucks????

At that price i am out. No point to wait for a price drop either as by then we will have a ps6.

They’re not gonna charge $945 here. The most I can see is $899 (which is still insane). Also wouldn’t shock me if it’s $849.

 

[bundylove]

They’re not gonna charge $945 here. The most I can see is $899 (which is still insane). Also wouldn’t shock me if it’s $849.

Well ps5 is $579
Psvr2 is $819

They will covert the currency to $945
But here is hoping for $600 Us

 

[hussar16]

If ai upscale is not for every game then i am not buying

 

[kevboard]

If ai upscale is not for every game then i am not buying

if it is as good as DLSS, developers would literally need to be fucking dumb as shit not to use it... but Sony obviously can't force them.

there's a reason devs report a 90% use rate of DLSS these days. free performance + good AA

 

[Hawking Radiation]

I bet it's gonna be Cerny talking about RT improvements, possibly by showing a pro patch of an existing game as a comparison, and showing image quality improvements that PSSR allow.

What are the chances of that existing game demo being Concord?

 

[kevboard]

What are the chances of that existing game demo being Concord?

oh god... it would be so sad if they thought "hey, this is gonna be our big multiplayer game for the coming years! let's make a super good Raytracing mode and show it in our reveal show!" and now it's too late to change the presentation...

oh god... imagine how awkward that would feel lol.

 

[Boss Mog]

Looking back thats not true.

Also consider the average income vs north america.

When i still lived there i was not able to allow myself more than a game or 2 a month.

But also this.
When the canadian dollar caught up with the us dollar for a while, prices took several months to adjust.
I Still payed 80 for a 60 dollar game.

But then when the truedou dollar went to shits oh boy did they jack it up the next day.

Its fuckery and ripping off the small guy.

I'm not sure what any of that has to do with what I'm saying which is the number between dollar prices and euro price is about the same (within a 10% margin) in 99% of cases. I'm not talking about the value of the currencies, just the numbers being similar. But in the case of the disc drive, the number is 50% higher in Europe.

For comparison, currently, a DualSense on Amazon US is $69 and on Amazon FR 69€, same number.

 

[Gaiff]

I see more and more sites and people claim the price will be $700+gst.
Thats $945+gst canadian. A thousand bucks????

At that price i am out. No point to wait for a price drop either as by then we will have a ps6.

What site is saying this?

 

[ArcaneNLSC]

I am going to throw this out there

Early in 2022 one of the mods here closed this PS5 Pro thread

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/rgt-...acing-innovations-release-date-specs.1632046/

I reached out to @Mod of War and told him that the PS5 Pro was 100% real as even back then certain people had the 15-17 TF number but I was pretty certain Xbox was also making their own Pro but those whispers totally dried up

Long story short I think they were at one time but something made them change course.

Microsoft/Phil Spencer

 

[hussar16]

if it is as good as DLSS, developers would literally need to be fucking dumb as shit not to use it... but Sony obviously can't force them.

there's a reason devs report a 90% use rate of DLSS these days. free performance + good AA

Should be optional ik settings for all games not per game basis

 

[StereoVsn]

I see more and more sites and people claim the price will be $700+gst.
Thats $945+gst canadian. A thousand bucks????

At that price i am out. No point to wait for a price drop either as by then we will have a ps6.

Seems high. I am thinking $600 for DE and $650 for disk edition in US (plus tax). $700 would be kind of bonkers.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

What site is saying this?

Some people think it's going to be $699 without the drive.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Looks like I was right.... again...

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Is that confirmed though?

Could just be the devkit with 2tb.

I just don't see why sony would put in a 2tb when getting the price as low as possible is gonna be key here.

Storage is one area they just don't need to push above what the reguler ps5 has.

Not a chance. I still have it pegged at $499-$599

It would be a flop of historical proportions if it released at $700 for digital version.

It’ll probably be $549 digital, maximum, $599 disc edition. Anything else and they’d be playing with fire.

And no, it won’t come with 2TB standard. The actually intend to sell these in relatively decent volumes

There's no way Sony is releasing the Pro 250 dollars more expensive than the slim bro, lmao. what are you even smoking?

18m as it stands now is not a conservative figure, it's optimistic, they're already behind target and it will be hard if not impossible to reach without good Pro sales. In Japan sales are destined to go down another 20-30%.
There won't be price cuts on the base PS5 just the usual game pack-in/bundle during the holiday season and they have nothing like Spiderman2 this year.
They risk a 15m actual sales for the fiscal year (a huge and abnormal drop from the 20.8m last year because they can't cut prices like they should) if the Pro is priced outrageously.
The Pro imo will start at 599$/ 649€ digital, and that's already a lot, something only early adopters will consider.

Give me my flowers

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Give me my flowers

I deserve all the lashings.

Also A+ for the level of pettiness. Sounds like something i would do lmao.

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

Give me my flowers

Hahaha... you didn't even let us stew in our shame for 10mins before calling us out.

Yup... I was wrong on this one. $700. I just didn't see that coming. We are definitely in a new era of gaming.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Put the crack pipe down. Your prices are absurd. 0 chance this happens. 0 chance it comes with 2TB.

Get at me.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

Get at me.

You even got the 2TB right...damn

 

[Mibu no ookami]

You even got the 2TB right...damn

I'm fucking good at this.

 

[Elios83]

Give me my flowers

voilà!
Unfortunately with these prices this is a niche device, their 18m target we were talking about is unachievable, you can't use a 800€ product thinking it can help you to lift sales of the slowing down 500€ product.

 

[demigod]

Get at me.

You were right, i'll take my L. Sony done fucked up with that pricing.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

voilà!
Unfortunately with these prices this is a niche device, their 18m target we were talking about is unachievable.

With the most powerful console on the market, with Wukong selling like hotcakes in China, with Astro Bot winning GOTY, I think they'll come close if not surpass the forecast.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

You were right, i'll take my L. Sony done fucked up with that pricing.

Respectfully you went 0 for 2 here, don't make it 0 for 3.

Sony has all the metrics they need on how many people upgrade the storage in their PS5s. If the real price for most people of the PS5 digital is circa 600 dollars for the digital model (100-150 dollars for a 1TB expansion), what is an additional 100-150 for improved performance.

You have to look at the entire picture.

1TB is not enough and 2TB just makes sense.

This system is about generating improved margins. Sony can sell their own SSD, and cost effective performance gains fueled by PSSR.

The Pro will drop in price after the GTA6 hype and so will the base model, and a slight chance we get a sale or bundle in 2025.

In 2025, we could be look at digital for 400, base for 450, and pro for 650 or 700 and bundled with GTA6.

In 2026, I think we see the digital drop to 350, base for 400, and Pro for 600, well positioning it to compete with the Switch 2, which is going to find a hard time finding the right price.

By 2027/2028 you could see a PS5 digital at 300, base at 350 and Pro for 550.

When the PS6 launches, we're looking at 600 dollars minimum for digital, and the PS5 Pro will likely have dropped to 450-500.

 

[demigod]

Respectfully you went 0 for 2 here, don't make it 0 for 3.

Sony has all the metrics they need on how many people upgrade the storage in their PS5s. If the real price for most people of the PS5 digital is circa 600 dollars for the digital model (100-150 dollars for a 1TB expansion), what is an additional 100-150 for improved performance.

You have to look at the entire picture.

1TB is not enough and 2TB just makes sense.

This system is about generating improved margins. Sony can sell their own SSD, and cost effective performance gains fueled by PSSR.

The Pro will drop in price after the GTA6 hype and so will the base model, and a slight chance we get a sale or bundle in 2025.

In 2025, we could be look at digital for 400, base for 450, and pro for 650 or 700 and bundled with GTA6.

In 2026, I think we see the digital drop to 350, base for 400, and Pro for 600, well positioning it to compete with the Switch 2, which is going to find a hard time finding the right price.

By 2027/2028 you could see a PS5 digital at 300, base at 350 and Pro for 550.

When the PS6 launches, we're looking at 600 dollars minimum for digital, and the PS5 Pro will likely have dropped to 450-500.

This won't even sell 10% of the PS5 like the PS4 Pro did. 2TB built in is not needed, they just rose the price that way. So instead of $100-$150 for improved performance, it's now $300, ridiculous.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Again, this is nonsense. They want to sell units. They will price it accordingly. Sony isn’t going to shoot them selves in the foot by selling fewer copies just because they want to make an additional $20 per unit on SSD upgrades.

The fact that the Devkit is rumored to have 2TB storage has absolutely nothing to do with the storage of the retail unit. You think the retail PS5 has the same RAM as in the devkit?

You suffer from a findamental misunderstanding of Sony’s plan for the PS5 Pro. They want to keep users in their ecosystem instead of losing them to Steam/PC gaming, and they want to drive increased software sales in their ecosystem as more gamers preferably choose PS for even third party titles.
Meanwhile you can’t see beyond ‘hardware revenue’.

But we can make this interesting by putting a $100 wager on the Storage space. I say 1TB for a base unit, max.

I would have bet you, I just didn't trust you to pay. But I will take you telling me I had a fundamental misunderstanding of Sony's plan, when I have a better read of the tea leaves when it comes to Sony than anyone on this forum who isn't an insider.

Tell me again how I can't see beyond hardware revenue.

The same reason the regular PS5 devkit has a larger SSD (some have 2.5TB of storage). For testing and development.

You were saying?

At least I get to say “I told you so” next month

How did this turn out?

 

[Mibu no ookami]

This won't even sell 10% of the PS5 like the PS4 Pro did. 2TB built in is not needed, they just rose the price that way. So instead of $100-$150 for improved performance, it's now $300, ridiculous.

If everyone upgrades their storage anyways, why lose that revenue to 3rd party manufacturers? Again, Sony knows exactly how many people have upgraded their console through telemetry data.

They also know how many people use the disc drive for games and how many use it for movies.

They knew what they were going to price the PS5 Pro when they announced the price of the disc attachment for 80 rather than 50.

The PS4 Pro had competition from the Xbox One X.... the PS5 Pro has zero competition. It also has GTA6, where the PS4 Pro really didn't have any major game pushing it. Major game being above 25 million units in this case.

GTA6 could easily sell 35 million units on PS5 alone...

 

[Zathalus]

I would have bet you, I just didn't trust you to pay. But I will take you telling me I had a fundamental misunderstanding of Sony's plan, when I have a better read of the tea leaves when it comes to Sony than anyone on this forum who isn't an insider.

Tell me again how I can't see beyond hardware revenue.



You were saying?



How did this turn out?

Yeah you were right. 2TB SSD and no disc drive seems a silly move, but it’s the one Sony is going with.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Yeah you were right. 2TB SSD and no disc drive seems a silly move, but it’s the one Sony is going with.

That's because you're not looking at the data.

Again if everyone is upgrading their storage, why should sony keep storage as it is and cede that revenue to others? Even the officially branded SSD costs 129.99. The Seagate Firecuda 530 is nearly 150.

Sony even knows how long people wait between registering a PS5 and upgrading the storage.

They smartly kept the attachment the same. It's actually a win on multiple levels

• If you have a PS5 disc attachment already, you don't need to buy a new one - Pro Consumer
• The disc attachment is more than 50 dollars, so Sony gets roughly upwards of 30 dollars more revenue here per sale of the attachment separately - Pro Business
• They don't stack the disc drive on knowing that most people buy games digitally and don't watch 4k blurays, so they keep the price down relative to what they've done

Everything made sense here.

 

[jm89]

Give me my flowers

An unnecessary thing to inflate the cost.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

An unnecessary thing to inflate the cost.

 

[mckmas8808]

Sounds like the price will be

$700 - PS5 Pro Digital
$750 - PS5 Pro w/Disc Attachment (if sold) otherwise there is the 80-dollar attachment

Given that it comes with 2TB of storage and the 1TB official storage for PS5 costs 129.99, I doubt we're looking at a simple increase in just the storage price like we're seeing with Microsoft.

The first major PS5 price drop will probably come in 2026 after sales have diminished from GTA6.

This also sets the stage for a much more expensive PS6.



Because there are a few reasons.

You have people upset that there won't be a Pro model XSX, you also have PCMR fanboys who are upset because dollar for dollar this is going to be the most powerful gaming rig on the market and much closer to higher end rigs, and then you have PS5 fans who don't make a lot of money who can't afford this and as a result they feel like they have been cheated, especially when the games start dropping to 30 fps on the base model.

 

[mckmas8808]

Hey guys....... Mibu no ookami maybe right about the PS5 Pro selling well this year if\when Sony shows their 1st party games running on it at EVERY showcase going forward. And if Black Myth: Wukong can run at a stable 60fps at 1080p upscaled to 1440p resolution..................you don't think that'll make some of the hardcore sell their PS5s to upgrade?

 

[Ozriel]

I would have bet you, I just didn't trust you to pay. But I will take you telling me I had a fundamental misunderstanding of Sony's plan, when I have a better read of the tea leaves when it comes to Sony than anyone on this forum who isn't an insider.

Tell me again how I can't see beyond hardware revenue.



You were saying?



How did this turn out?

With you looking like a chump for not taking that wager. I’d be pushing that cash to you by now

Wailing about ‘trust’ for a mere $100? Fucking lmao

 

[Zathalus]

That's because you're not looking at the data.

Again if everyone is upgrading their storage, why should sony keep storage as it is and cede that revenue to others? Even the officially branded SSD costs 129.99. The Seagate Firecuda 530 is nearly 150.

Sony even knows how long people wait between registering a PS5 and upgrading the storage.

They smartly kept the attachment the same. It's actually a win on multiple levels

• If you have a PS5 disc attachment already, you don't need to buy a new one - Pro Consumer
• The disc attachment is more than 50 dollars, so Sony gets roughly upwards of 30 dollars more revenue here per sale of the attachment separately - Pro Business
• They don't stack the disc drive on knowing that most people buy games digitally and don't watch 4k blurays, so they keep the price down relative to what they've done

Everything made sense here.

Apologies, I was looking at it from a consumer perspective, not the price gouging business perspective.

That’s why I had assumed 1TB drive size and a sane price, because I thought Sony still gave a shit. But they managed to make a console have roughly the same price to performance value as a Nvidia PC.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Hey guys....... Mibu no ookami maybe right about the PS5 Pro selling well this year if\when Sony shows their 1st party games running on it at EVERY showcase going forward. And if Black Myth: Wukong can run at a stable 60fps at 1080p upscaled to 1440p resolution..................you don't think that'll make some of the hardcore sell their PS5s to upgrade?

Thanks man, I put a lot of effort into having sound analysis here. Often I get shit on despite being proved right over and over again. I called that Sony would raise the price of the PS5 for the slim. People shit on me then saying prices never go up. I said that Sony would not reach their 2023 fiscal year targets. People shit on me again. I said that Spider-Man 2 was lacking a level of hype needed to accomplish what it would need to do in order for sony to hit their objectives. Again shit on. I nailed both the price and feature set of the PS5 pro... again shit on...

Neogaf doesn't put much value on people being right, but still grateful for individual posters who recognize it.

With you looking like a chump for not taking that wager. I’d be pushing that cash to you by now

Wailing about ‘trust’ for a mere $100? Fucking lmao

It doesn't matter if it was $1 or $10,000. I didn't trust you because of the way you interact on this forum. I don't need $100. $100 dollars in no way changes my life, but the question is why put up any money that I absolutely would have paid you, for the off chance that you would pay me. Me being right was worth more than $100 to me. That's the equivalent of an hour of work to me.

Apologies, I was looking at it from a consumer perspective, not the price gouging business perspective.

That’s why I had assumed 1TB drive size and a sane price, because I thought Sony still gave a shit. But they managed to make a console have roughly the same price to performance value as a Nvidia PC.

I was looking at it from all perspectives.

It's not gouging consumers either. Again, how much is an average 1TB SSD on the market? If you expect that most consumers upgrade their PS5 and that an even higher percentage of people who would be interested in a PS5 Pro would, doesn't it make sense to absorb the cost of an upgrade that is already going to happen into the total cost rather than concede that to Samsung or seagate?

They further increased the performance significantly for small money.

Pound for pound the PS5 Pro is easily the best value for the money. Not sure what PC you think would be equivalent to it at the same price.

 

[adamsapple]

Neogaf doesn't put much value on people being right, but still grateful for individual posters who recognize it.

Because we're all waging a campaign against the PS5 Pro or somethin.

 

[Zathalus]

I was looking at it from all perspectives.

It's not gouging consumers either. Again, how much is an average 1TB SSD on the market? If you expect that most consumers upgrade their PS5 and that an even higher percentage of people who would be interested in a PS5 Pro would, doesn't it make sense to absorb the cost of an upgrade that is already going to happen into the total cost rather than concede that to Samsung or seagate?

They further increased the performance significantly for small money.

Pound for pound the PS5 Pro is easily the best value for the money. Not sure what PC you think would be equivalent to it at the same price.

You can pick up a 1TB SSD for $60, a 2TB for $100. You can purchase a 4070 PC with a 2TB drive for just over $900. The GPU will be over 10% faster and the CPU even more so. Considering the fact that without a disc drive a user will pay significantly more for games vs PC and the value proposition of the Pro vs PC is just not there. A far cry from the PS4 Pro and base PS5 vs PC.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

You can pick up a 1TB SSD for $60

Link please

a 2TB for $100. You can purchase a 4070 PC with a 2TB drive for just over $900. The GPU will be over 10% faster and the CPU even more so.

Link please

Considering the fact that without a disc drive a user will pay significantly more for games vs PC and the value proposition of the Pro vs PC is just not there. A far cry from the PS4 Pro and base PS5 vs PC.

You can buy a disc drive separately.

 

[mckmas8808]

Thanks man, I put a lot of effort into having sound analysis here. Often I get shit on despite being proved right over and over again. I called that Sony would raise the price of the PS5 for the slim. People shit on me then saying prices never go up. I said that Sony would not reach their 2023 fiscal year targets. People shit on me again. I said that Spider-Man 2 was lacking a level of hype needed to accomplish what it would need to do in order for sony to hit their objectives. Again shit on. I nailed both the price and feature set of the PS5 pro... again shit on...

Neogaf doesn't put much value on people being right, but still grateful for individual posters who recognize it.

I still disagree with you about Spiderman 2 though.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I still disagree with you about Spiderman 2 though.

And yet I was right...

 

[Zathalus]

Link please




Link please



You can buy a disc drive separately.

1TB SSD - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B217LZBG?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

2TB SSD -

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1793034-REG/silicon_power_su02kgbp44ud9005bh_2tb_ssd_pcie_4_0.html

PC - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fQMkh3

You can buy the drive for an extra $80, so $780 then, making it even less of a value proposition vs the linked PC that is only $100 more for 10% more GPU performance. Now I’m not arguing that all console gamers should jump across to PC as everyone has a preference, but one of the major draws of console gaming, namely price to performance, has all but evaporated.

It’s even worse in the UK where the Pro + Drive is £800 vs a roughly £830 PC that is the same specs as the one I linked. I never thought I’d see the day when a new Sony console launched it would loose to a PC (with a Nvidia card no less) in price to performance.

 

[Ozriel]

Because we're all waging a campaign against the PS5 Pro or somethin.

I didn’t even see that thread. Hilarious

1TB SSD - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B217LZBG?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

2TB SSD -

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1793034-REG/silicon_power_su02kgbp44ud9005bh_2tb_ssd_pcie_4_0.html

PC - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fQMkh3

You can buy the drive for an extra $80, so $780 then, making it even less of a value proposition vs the linked PC that is only $100 more for 10% more GPU performance. Now I’m not arguing that all console gamers should jump across to PC as everyone has a preference, but one of the major draws of console gaming, namely price to performance, has all but evaporated.

It’s even worse in the UK where the Pro + Drive is £800 vs a roughly £830 PC that is the same specs as the one I linked. I never thought I’d see the day when a new Sony console launched it would loose to a PC (with a Nvidia card no less) in price to performance.

Unless I’m missing something, there’s no RAM in that build

 

[Zathalus]

I didn’t even see that thread. Hilarious



Unless I’m missing something, there’s no RAM in that build

You’re right, add another $30. The UK price was correct though.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

1TB SSD - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B217LZBG?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

I knew you would link to an off brand SSD without a heat sink and one that doesn't meet requirements at that. You're a fundamentally unserious person.

2TB SSD -

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1793034-REG/silicon_power_su02kgbp44ud9005bh_2tb_ssd_pcie_4_0.html

PC - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fQMkh3

You can buy the drive for an extra $80, so $780 then, making it even less of a value proposition vs the linked PC that is only $100 more for 10% more GPU performance. Now I’m not arguing that all console gamers should jump across to PC as everyone has a preference, but one of the major draws of console gaming, namely price to performance, has all but evaporated.

It’s even worse in the UK where the Pro + Drive is £800 vs a roughly £830 PC that is the same specs as the one I linked. I never thought I’d see the day when a new Sony console launched it would loose to a PC (with a Nvidia card no less) in price to performance.

So a PC with a cheap CPU with no gamepad and a slow SSD already for 900 dollars...

vs 700 dollars for the PS5 Pro?

 

[Zathalus]

I knew you would link to an off brand SSD without a heat sink and one that doesn't meet requirements at that. You're a fundamentally unserious person.



So a PC with a cheap CPU with no gamepad and a slow SSD already for 900 dollars...

vs 700 dollars for the PS5 Pro?

Silicon power is not off brand. It’s cheaper yes, but has been around for over 20 years. But if you want a drive from a name you’re familiar with and it needs to be faster then 5 GB/s (despite that having zero effect on loading) then here -

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C9HGVJ11?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

It certainly doesn’t need a heatsink either, considering how cool it runs.

As for your comments about cheap CPU, what do you think the PS5 Pro has? It’s a Zen 2, significant slower than the Zen 3 I linked. Gamepad, does the Pro come with a keyboard and mouse?

As for the price, it is more expensive, but frankly it has better performance as well and without that disc drive you are locked into paying way more for games.

 

[ElFenomeno]

They’re not gonna charge $945 here. The most I can see is $899 (which is still insane). Also wouldn’t shock me if it’s $849.

Ouch...

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Silicon power is not off brand. It’s cheaper yes, but has been around for over 20 years. But if you want a drive from a name you’re familiar with and it needs to be faster then 5 GB/s (despite that having zero effect on loading) then here -

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C9HGVJ11?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1

It certainly doesn’t need a heatsink either, considering how cool it runs.

As for your comments about cheap CPU, what do you think the PS5 Pro has? It’s a Zen 2, significant slower than the Zen 3 I linked. Gamepad, does the Pro come with a keyboard and mouse?

As for the price, it is more expensive, but frankly it has better performance as well and without that disc drive you are locked into paying way more for games.

LOL, I love how your answer is to go cheap and skirt requirements because you don't think they're necessary.

The gamepad costs more than your cheap keyboard and mouse.

You're unserious.

 

[Zathalus]

LOL, I love how your answer is to go cheap and skirt requirements because you don't think they're necessary.

The gamepad costs more than your cheap keyboard and mouse.

You're unserious.

And you’re being an asshole, but I was at least trying to be nice.

And what requirements? I was comparing price to performance between a console and a PC that best matches it. That SSD doesn’t need an heatsink considering how cool it runs. Just like the CPU doesn’t need a third party cooler as it’s a mere Ryzen 5500.

For the gamepad, who gives a shit? Most PC gamers use a keyboard and mouse. You seem to be under the impression I’m trying to convert console gamers to PC, and I’m not. You don’t need a gamepad to play games on PC, and in most cases using a gamepad is suboptimal.

 

[Trilobit]

oh god... it would be so sad if they thought "hey, this is gonna be our big multiplayer game for the coming years! let's make a super good Raytracing mode and show it in our reveal show!" and now it's too late to change the presentation...

oh god... imagine how awkward that would feel lol.

 

[kevboard]