Donald mac Ronald
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Wow from. DA origins to this. The game is a joke. How many more bombs will EA allow bioware to make before they shut them down.
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Does Wokeness effect your will to want to buy a game?
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Wow from. DA origins to this. The game is a joke. How many more bombs will EA allow bioware to make before they shut them down.
LordOfChaos
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It all depends on if it ruins the game or not. If there's a bit of woke crap in an otherwise excellent game I'm not going to be a baby about it. If it makes no sense and shoves it in your face and ruins the game, of course I won't play that.
ByWatterson
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Depends. Lots of "woke" stuff is crucial to story and theme and sometimes even gameplay.
But if it's shoehorned in because the devs are stridently virtue-signaling, it's a huge turn-off.
And we can all instantly tell the difference.
The Last of Us Part II
Bioshock Infinite
Final Fantasy VII
Baldur's Gate 3
Dragon Age Veilguard
But if it's shoehorned in because the devs are stridently virtue-signaling, it's a huge turn-off.
And we can all instantly tell the difference.
The Last of Us Part II
Bioshock Infinite
Final Fantasy VII
Baldur's Gate 3
Dragon Age Veilguard
sloppyjoe_gamer
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Absolutely. Im done with the fucking stupidity
simpatico
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Gameplay can still overcome most anything for me. I know games are made by big teams and I know who corporate puts in charge of anything message related. For me, games have been more woke than I'd like for a decade or better. It's only recently the quality has been good enough for me to head cannon that shit away. I will say it has increased recently, but it's not a new thing at all.
Buggy Loop
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xrnzaaas
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Yes I've been avoiding purchasing woke games for several years now, started with Life is Strange 2 and only with games containing some really heavy messaging. Since then I've been growing tired of the trend and these days a single thing (like a character design or a dialogue about bad white people) may be enough for me to skip a purchase, even if I enjoyed previous games from the same series or studio.
I'm glad I enjoy replaying older games and opened up to more Asian games, so I'm not in any danger of running out of cool games to play.
I'm glad I enjoy replaying older games and opened up to more Asian games, so I'm not in any danger of running out of cool games to play.
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Really only care about the LGBTQ part of it because I don't agree with all that stuff. I don't care about the rest like other's here do.
Skipped TLoU 2 for that reason. It's when it opened my eyes that woman can't be best friends without being considered sexually attracted in media anymore. Saw Adventure Time and She-Ra, and of course, the woman who are best friends are suddenly sexually attracted at the end, huge eye roll. Pretty sad.
Now every time there's two woman that are friends I instantly think "Oh no". On Arcane LoL (only watched first few episodes so far) and I went YES the 2 girls were sisters, so no chance of that. We will see on the rest of the show if it has that type of stuff (no spoilers please).
Men have a lot less chance of this happening. I can count on hand how many shows have that, but I can't with woman.
Luckily trans stuff is pretty rare, and I hope it stays that way.
Skipped TLoU 2 for that reason. It's when it opened my eyes that woman can't be best friends without being considered sexually attracted in media anymore. Saw Adventure Time and She-Ra, and of course, the woman who are best friends are suddenly sexually attracted at the end, huge eye roll. Pretty sad.
Now every time there's two woman that are friends I instantly think "Oh no". On Arcane LoL (only watched first few episodes so far) and I went YES the 2 girls were sisters, so no chance of that. We will see on the rest of the show if it has that type of stuff (no spoilers please).
Men have a lot less chance of this happening. I can count on hand how many shows have that, but I can't with woman.
Luckily trans stuff is pretty rare, and I hope it stays that way.
You only play games where you can picture yourself in the shoes of the protagonist? Which ones are those? I can't think of many games out there let you play as some grumpy middle aged man crying about "wokeness" on the internet.
Anyway, I play games that are good, specifically ones that play good. Not super concerned about story, I got movies and books for that if I want.
Anyway, I play games that are good, specifically ones that play good. Not super concerned about story, I got movies and books for that if I want.
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AtomicStarving
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I'm already planning to play all the old gta games in 2025, GTA SA, what a fucking game #peoplemadgta6woke
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JusticeForAll
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It's a big negative for me. More and more, i tend to not buy a clearly woke game nowadays, because it actively affects my enjoyment. But it depends on the game and the level of wokeness, really. Sometimes I still buy the game, but only when it's in very deep sale, to see if my initial apprehensiveness was correct. Mostly it turns out that it was, but sometimes the wokeness was exagerated.
Starbuck2907
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Forced into the game. “Top scars” in the new Dragon Age felt forced into the game because the devs wanted to pander or virtue signal their position on the latest cultural war issue. I don’t play fantasy games to be reminded about of the same culture war stuff I’d see on cable news stations. I’m trying to escape that stuff. You can’t play the new Dragon Age and fully avoid that stuff.
It’s not even that it’s in the game so much as it is so heavy handed that it messes up the fantasy escapism.
FunkMiller
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If the game is well written, with great gameplay, a strong narrative, and compelling characters... I'll happily play it.
If the 'woke' affects any of these negatively... I fucking won't.
If the 'woke' affects any of these negatively... I fucking won't.
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Toons
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No, never once has it affected my desire to buy a game one way or the other.
But also I don't find have the games that get called woke these days to be actually woke by the standard of most people who regularly use that term.
Varteras
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Just depends on how it's presented and whether it seems that the intent was to create a social message first instead of a game. If the game is ultimately great, I can overlook the obvious brow beating to an extent. If the message is light or wholesome in its own way, not a problem at all. But when you go out of your way to tell me the sexual orientation of a robot in a game which the only meaningful interactions will be shooting each other to death, pass.
Johnny Concrete
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Did the alien have they/them as pronouns?
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
Depends how bad it is. If its Spider-Man 2 levels of cringe and amount, I can live with it.
NomenNescio
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Even though woke elements annoy me, I'm not going to miss an otherwise good game just because of that.
Dafegamer
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It depends. If I see that a story kinda dumbs down certain individuals for Wokeness sakes, absolutely. If the story has strong female/gay/ whatever characters + all other characters are greatly written then nope. I usually prefer gameplay anyway. The biggest offender of recent times was definitely TLOU2. Sorry ND as much as I love you and the Game, you really did Joel horribly as character. Joel was never so nonchalant in telling strangers who he is etc. That's was the entire point of his character in TLOU1. He couldn't trust anyone except Tess and Ellie. Now all of a sudden he's like "Hey Stranger I'm Joel, wanna come with me to me my Village and meet the other people? You guys are armed and strangers, no worries it's perfectly fine" like wtf??? I'm Glad that the gameplay is splendid and some story bits interesting, but yup I can definitely understand why people are mad about the game 
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Mister Wolf
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For those that have played Spiderman 2, if you opt to not do certain side missions does it prevent you from doing others, hindering some kind of progression?
Stuart360
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It depends what the wokeness is for me.
If its just limited to like character creation, with silly pronoun nonsense, or 'body type; shit, but the actual game is fine, then i would buy the game.
Now if the actual story and gameplay is filled with agenda drivel, then fuck no, even if it was a game i was looking forward to.
If its just limited to like character creation, with silly pronoun nonsense, or 'body type; shit, but the actual game is fine, then i would buy the game.
Now if the actual story and gameplay is filled with agenda drivel, then fuck no, even if it was a game i was looking forward to.
Esppiral
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What is this piece of crap? Why they feel like they can push an agenda on every single fucking media? jesus....
Myths
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^ Did you just start playing games yesterday? Most story in games have an agenda, whether or not it aligns with your normative ethics is the difference in bitching.
I say it the other way around.
Jibran#one
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Go woke go broke that's my take on it , if it's only limited to charecter creation and whatnot I'm ok with that but if the game is filled with woke agenda it can fuck off
Phobos Base
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Not to mention that a mastectomy makes no sense in a world where magic exists
captainnapalm
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Of course it does - it means DEI hiring and storylines - hiring people based not on merit to write stories that are built around shallow identity and raced-based politics - and then pat yourself on the back like you're doing the world a favour.
KungFucius
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OP sounds like you have a problem with things not being about you. Stories are make believe and can and should be about anyone. It is not political to write about different types of people, that is what creatives do. FFS there are 8 billion people on this planet and the vast majority are nothing like you or have experiences remotely similar to you. Do you woke whiners not understand this basic fact about our planet and species? Diversity is unavoidable. At least until many generations have passed and every type of person has mated with every other kind of person countless times. Even then there will still be a spectrum for all traits.
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
Yet, it seems like most diversity efforts focus primarily on gay, trans, black or purple hair. Why is there so little representation of other diverse experiences or backgrounds?
ShadowNate
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It depends on how bad it is and how awful the writing and storytelling gets as a direct result of it (as much as I can tell from reviews and watching gameplay videos).
I'm more likely to not mind it if it's at normal or funny levels in original IP work.
It's definitely more annoying when it's shoehorned in remasters; "ooh we now got a voice actor that matches the color of the character and also normalized the humor for modern sensitivities" is a big red flag and no-buy. Same but maybe to a lesser degree for sequels or spiritual sequels.
I'm more likely to not mind it if it's at normal or funny levels in original IP work.
It's definitely more annoying when it's shoehorned in remasters; "ooh we now got a voice actor that matches the color of the character and also normalized the humor for modern sensitivities" is a big red flag and no-buy. Same but maybe to a lesser degree for sequels or spiritual sequels.
freemandos
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I liked Marvel's Spiderman, but I disliked so much its MJ version and specially her playable parts. Knowing the second one didn't learn of past mistakes and even has much more bullshit...no thanks, bro. I'm not interesed in the sequel.
The woke content in tLoU2 was a pain for me, affecting negatively the writing and even the pacing because it doesn't fit well with the revenge story or as an continuation of the first game. It has more big problems (the pacing, for example), but yeah, that was very something.
Silent Hill 2 remake doesn't have any woke content, but it's clearly sanitized and it has a consultation group (probably not by coincidence). It's not my only problem with the remake (a good game but with a very questionable pacing and too much actiony for a SH game among other things), but I don't want see this in any SH anymore, specially on remakes (I'm tired with remakes anyway but it's another story). I won't even talk about its Steam forums, a circus of misery if you say anything about this even if you do with diplomatic manners without any moderation (not very suspicious, lol).
And even without touching any of this...I'm very movie lover and I ended sick about the trend (the last the Exorcist movie was a painful insult against the Blatty and Friedkin's work and its fans), so I don't want see it in my entertainment anymore.
I could say more but, yes, it affects my decision.
The woke content in tLoU2 was a pain for me, affecting negatively the writing and even the pacing because it doesn't fit well with the revenge story or as an continuation of the first game. It has more big problems (the pacing, for example), but yeah, that was very something.
Silent Hill 2 remake doesn't have any woke content, but it's clearly sanitized and it has a consultation group (probably not by coincidence). It's not my only problem with the remake (a good game but with a very questionable pacing and too much actiony for a SH game among other things), but I don't want see this in any SH anymore, specially on remakes (I'm tired with remakes anyway but it's another story). I won't even talk about its Steam forums, a circus of misery if you say anything about this even if you do with diplomatic manners without any moderation (not very suspicious, lol).
And even without touching any of this...I'm very movie lover and I ended sick about the trend (the last the Exorcist movie was a painful insult against the Blatty and Friedkin's work and its fans), so I don't want see it in my entertainment anymore.
I could say more but, yes, it affects my decision.
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SmokedMeat
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I make my own decisions on what I’m playing. If the concept and gameplay are in line with what I typically enjoy, then I’m going to play it.
The only reason I wouldn’t play a game is if it’s preachy, or insulting me for being straight/white/a man.
The only reason I wouldn’t play a game is if it’s preachy, or insulting me for being straight/white/a man.
The_Observer
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Of course. I won’t pay for civilization destroying propaganda.
fran.fernandez
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I enjoy single player story games , so yes.
Bernardougf
Member
Yeah Im pretty over wokeness/feminism specially the girl boss trope in EVERY midia ... last game I made the mistake of buying it was FW .. played a couple of hours, hated fat bitch Aloy's character and never touched again.
Think about it .. if Witcher 4 , Ghost of Yutei and Interstellar was coming out next year thats 3 high AAA games from big studios. All of them with Girl Bosses (two swapped) ... So yeah .. Im pretty much done with all this shtick.
Luckily is a hobby with many many games to choose, Im just re-adapting my taste and playing/discovering different things while the West continues to try and chase their modern audiences.
To each their own.
Think about it .. if Witcher 4 , Ghost of Yutei and Interstellar was coming out next year thats 3 high AAA games from big studios. All of them with Girl Bosses (two swapped) ... So yeah .. Im pretty much done with all this shtick.
Luckily is a hobby with many many games to choose, Im just re-adapting my taste and playing/discovering different things while the West continues to try and chase their modern audiences.
To each their own.
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thief183
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I need to see this nowI meant like this kind of Kevin Sorbo movies, like where he defends his family from antifas in the woods and shit. That's what I think you like.
missiles
Member
I object to being patronised, talked down to and lectured by people who automatically assume that they're always on the right side of history.
I don't want to see or hear anything that promotes the kind of mental illnesses that encourage people to chop off healthy body parts. Anything involving fetishistic, immoral and perverted ideologies should not be in games.
Men who are confused about the differences between men and women should not be writing stories for games until they've sorted their heads out.
Don't expect me to feel guilty when your ideological propaganda causes your studio to be shuttered.
Videgames aren't a platform for you to be "represented" or "seen" in. They're for entertainment and 99.99% of your customers don't want to hear your political/gender woo bullshit when they're trying to relax.
I don't want to see or hear anything that promotes the kind of mental illnesses that encourage people to chop off healthy body parts. Anything involving fetishistic, immoral and perverted ideologies should not be in games.
Men who are confused about the differences between men and women should not be writing stories for games until they've sorted their heads out.
Don't expect me to feel guilty when your ideological propaganda causes your studio to be shuttered.
Videgames aren't a platform for you to be "represented" or "seen" in. They're for entertainment and 99.99% of your customers don't want to hear your political/gender woo bullshit when they're trying to relax.
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PeteBull
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That is from first predator movie, it was diverse af but 0 wokeness in it, that is why it will stay timeless classic even 100years from now, it was sci-fi but was believable:
Yeah I am buying good games regardless of politics. I don't care about anyone's cancel discourse.
That is major difference to all woke entertainment, it simply isnt believable, in various ways, think of romentic comedies, that like woke movies, cant happen in reality even if they are based on reality and supposedd to be probable/real.
I will show u another example of very diverse movie, for guys tho, so brutal af, sci-fi too, so we stay in intergalactic/cyberpunk setting:
In this movie, u got white male protagonist(we dont know if he is straight, but it doesnt matter, that is another beauty of non woke movies- they dont parade characters sexual orientation w/o reason) who is ultra masculine manly man, but his partner(the rookie) is a woman, his boss is black woman(short hair too), and his main enemy, final boss, is a woman too, tons of non white ppl in the movie, didnt count but fellt like it could be even more than whites.
Even tho its sci-fi so distopian future, its 10x more believable from woke games/movies/romantic comedies coz it doesnt break suspension of disbelief, there is a scene where the final boss(woman) physically threatens her underling, much bigger male but its realistic coz she has a knife and u see she is psycho crazy biatch, not using physical strenght(which she really doesnt have, in that tiny fragile female body) but a knife.
Whole story and all the scenes are believable, there is a reason eye candy rookie doesnt wear her helmet like other judges(so we can see her pretty face all the time), hell there is even a scene of her having sex, still reasonably explained but ofc big fanservice
So tldr woke movies/games and overall entertainement differentiates from non woke entertainment, including very diverse ones, that woke shit isnt believable, simple as that, it breaks immersion and with that, makes us unable to enjoy said entertainment.
I dont have to tell my other gaf-bros why we suffer tru watching romantic comedies, we ofc have hidden but not so hidden agenda there, since we never watch those on our own
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
I watched it on Tubi, it's bonkers, his character (The Hero) passes out with his gun in his holster and his three year old shoots his other kid in the head, and then the oldest kid is mad at how her dad leaves guns all over the house (an anger that is portrayed as unreasonable), and then the whole movie about the daughter's character arc of learning to love guns again because you need them to shoot antifa.I need to see this now
Genuinely the work of a crazy person.
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Rawbutt Jellybean
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Their version of diversity is so shallow. The only diversity checkboxes are woman, black, and lgbt. Western developers don't give a shit about asian, arab, or hispanic men.
It's also not diversity of thought as they want the games created by people who share their same world view and the stories to reflect that.
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