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[Hylian7]

like what

6.84 but with different heroes being in instead of the ones taht were for so long.

I get how he feels, I hate playing against illusion splitpush. Especially Naga, playing against Naga is the absolute worst. I would rather play against Slark and 6.84 Techies.

 

[Sanjay]

Offlane 25% bashing dagger and Spectre jungle is my future.

 

[Hylian7]

Desolate change is amazing. So good at helping you farm jungle. Kill the little guy first, then Desolate the big one.

 

[Monochromaticx]

Naga didn't really get much of a nerf at all. Disappointing since Octarine Core made her viable in 6.84.

more surprising for me is shadow fiend not getting touched at all.

 

[Maddrical]

more surprising for me is shadow fiend not getting touched at all.

He's going to be first picked a lot more again with the Lina & Lesh nerfs.

 

[sleverfunk]

Just noticed ember is unchanged.

 

[Monochromaticx]

also, faceless void got nothing. poor guy

 

[lucebuce12]

also, faceless void got nothing. poor guy

The moonshard recipe removal was a bit of a buff, I suppose.

 

[Imp the Dimp]

Techies nerf made me laugh. Hope to never see that piece of shit again.

 

[twobear]

Techies nerf made me laugh. Hope to never see that piece of shit again.

 

[LiQuid!]

Imps time is coming. Excited for you breh. TB has been in the dumpster far too long.

 

[twobear]

i can't get my head around the logic to these changes at all. i need someone to explain this all to me.

 

[Wok]

Infest and Control can now be used on Ancient Creeps

Battle Cry bonus damage increased from 60/90/120 to 90/120/150
Battle Cry bonus armor increased from 6/12/18 to 10/15/20

Night Stalker's base health regen increased from 0.25 to 2

Bloodlust can now be cast on towers

A bit WTF.

Riki's Permanent Invisibility health regen increased from 4/5/6/7 to 6/8/10/12

Good!

 

[LiQuid!]

RTZ playing Titan. Time to see if my once favorite hero is back or not.

Spoiler

I'm gonna say probably not

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[Deadstar]

i can't get my head around the logic to these changes at all. i need someone to explain this all to me.

There's a locals chat in dota 2 now.

 

[twobear]

There's a locals chat in dota 2 now.

yes, when i first booted up someone was spamming 'kick all the syrians in the fucking head'.

 

[Haly]

I booted up into Newark NJ.

Valve knows Staten Island is really just NJ.

 

[DrPizza]

These Techies changes.... I don't get them.

They've definitely nerfed the snowball into landmine into suicide combo. They've weakened Techies' lane presence in general; using landmines to clear creeps and harass the enemy is now less effective.

But was that ever the problem?

The lack of stacking marginally reduces the utility of landmine traps. But creating those traps doesn't cost any more mana, and it doesn't take any more time. You can now create more traps--no 20 mine limit--and you can create traps of different sizes; I suspect that in many cases, the 3-mine first blood can now be a 5-mine first blood, at a lower mana cost.

This surely makes Techies more annoying, not less. It's going to mean even more mine traps spread across even more of the map. The reduced lane presence increases the incentive of laying traps, and the traps are now (overall) increased in number. Isn't this encouraging precisely the wrong behaviour?

The ability to destroy mine traps without exploding them is lame, mind you. It makes sense, as it means that short-range or melee supports aren't penalized anything like as much, but it's lame.

 

[twobear]

These Techies changes.... I don't get them.

They've definitely nerfed the snowball into landmine into suicide combo. They've weakened Techies' lane presence in general; using landmines to clear creeps and harass the enemy is now less effective.

But was that ever the problem?

The lack of stacking marginally reduces the utility of landmine traps. But creating those traps doesn't cost any more mana, and it doesn't take any more time. You can now create more traps--no 20 mine limit--and you can create traps of different sizes; I suspect that in many cases, the 3-mine first blood can now be a 5-mine first blood, at a lower mana cost.

This surely makes Techies more annoying, not less. It's going to mean even more mine traps spread across even more of the map. The reduced lane presence increases the incentive of laying traps, and the traps are now (overall) increased in number. Isn't this encouraging precisely the wrong behaviour?

The ability to destroy mine traps without exploding them is lame, mind you. It makes sense, as it means that short-range or melee supports aren't penalized anything like as much, but it's lame.

melee heroes will still take damage from standing too close to the mines, it's a buff for short-range only

 

[SecretMoblin]

idk I'm here for a temporary TB meta, the hero is fun to watch when he goes ham

illusion heroes >>>>>

every patch is going to have something reddit and twobear thinks is absurd OP garbage and how could valve let something like this into the game???? bané is inherently OP valve this just isn't fun to play against etc.
but idk, the Tusk/Lesh/Undying meta was hilarity and a welcome change from Troll

I hope fun heroes, like Elder Titan, emerge from this one.

RTZ playing Titan. Time to see if my once favorite hero is back or not.

Spoiler

I'm gonna say probably not

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[Wok]

Techies' mines are no longer triggered when destroyed

What does that mean? No damage when destroying them?

 

[Saprol]

What does that mean?

if you have vision and kill a mine, it used to blow up anyway as though you stepped on it. short attack range supports are practically stepping on it anyway

 

[Interceptor]

These Techies changes.... I don't get them.

They've definitely nerfed the snowball into landmine into suicide combo. They've weakened Techies' lane presence in general; using landmines to clear creeps and harass the enemy is now less effective.

But was that ever the problem?

The lack of stacking marginally reduces the utility of landmine traps. But creating those traps doesn't cost any more mana, and it doesn't take any more time. You can now create more traps--no 20 mine limit--and you can create traps of different sizes; I suspect that in many cases, the 3-mine first blood can now be a 5-mine first blood, at a lower mana cost.

This surely makes Techies more annoying, not less. It's going to mean even more mine traps spread across even more of the map. The reduced lane presence increases the incentive of laying traps, and the traps are now (overall) increased in number. Isn't this encouraging precisely the wrong behaviour?

The ability to destroy mine traps without exploding them is lame, mind you. It makes sense, as it means that short-range or melee supports aren't penalized anything like as much, but it's lame.

Yep, thats how i see it. Even more annoying, not less.

 

[twobear]

idk I'm here for a temporary TB meta, the hero is fun to watch when he goes ham

illusion heroes >>>>>

every patch is going to have something reddit and twobear thinks is absurd OP garbage and how could valve let something like this into the game???? bané is inherently OP valve this just isn't fun to play against etc.
but idk, the Tusk/Lesh/Undying meta was hilarity and a welcome change from Troll

I hope fun heroes, like Elder Titan, emerge from this one.

the way you're calling me out like this is not a cute look imo

 

[Sibylus]

Most of my heroes were buffed

 

[Hylian7]

I've played against a Techies. He is MUCH less of a pain in the ass than he ever has been before.

 

[Interceptor]

I've played against a Techies. He is MUCH less of a pain in the ass than he ever has been before.

Good.

Now for a testrun of my desolightningfreeze dagger.

 

[misses bull]

I've played against a Techies. He is MUCH less of a pain in the ass than he ever has been before.

Thats what happens when you nerf a hero out of relevance.

 

[Tart Toter 9k]

These Techies changes.... I don't get them.

They've definitely nerfed the snowball into landmine into suicide combo. They've weakened Techies' lane presence in general; using landmines to clear creeps and harass the enemy is now less effective.

But was that ever the problem?

The lack of stacking marginally reduces the utility of landmine traps. But creating those traps doesn't cost any more mana, and it doesn't take any more time. You can now create more traps--no 20 mine limit--and you can create traps of different sizes; I suspect that in many cases, the 3-mine first blood can now be a 5-mine first blood, at a lower mana cost.

This surely makes Techies more annoying, not less. It's going to mean even more mine traps spread across even more of the map. The reduced lane presence increases the incentive of laying traps, and the traps are now (overall) increased in number. Isn't this encouraging precisely the wrong behaviour?

The ability to destroy mine traps without exploding them is lame, mind you. It makes sense, as it means that short-range or melee supports aren't penalized anything like as much, but it's lame.

I feel like they are trying to make techies more of a roaming hero. With these changes he wont have any time left to be in any lane for more than a few seconds at a time if he wants to set up all those traps because the traps have to be further apart on the map.

Sure he can set up more traps now but he cant stack them effectively so they need to be spread out across the map if they are going to be any good. This will (hopefully) lead to more players buying sentries and the gold bounty and easier clearing further incentivize clearing the minefields.

They also nerfed the "Trail of tears" strategy and its going to be harder for him to turtle i think?

Somewhat happy with the patch. The fact that Spectre actually got a (small) buff probably means that i am going to try her out for the first time in 2 years this weekend. Not used to playing carries but i need to know.

 

[Napalm_Frank]

Lich buffed aww yiss. Might go back to maining him :d

 

[Hylian7]

Thats what happens when you nerf a hero out of relevance.

Yeah, I don't get how people are saying he's somehow more annoying or "buffed" somehow. He is absolutely nerfed. The positive changes are only to prevent him from getting overnerfed.

 

[SecretMoblin]

Somewhat happy with the patch. The fact that Spectre actually got a (small) buff probably means that i am going to try her out for the first time in 2 years this weekend. Not used to playing carries but i need to know.

reSpectHer is great, powerful, and not super tough to use.

Just watch the minimap always and don't max Dispersion first

 

[Hylian7]

reSpectHer is great, powerful, and not super tough to use.

Just watch the minimap always and don't max Dispersion first

Farm that jungle when you run out of lanes. Maxed Desolate does it.

 

[misses bull]

Yeah, I don't get how people are saying he's somehow more annoying or "buffed" somehow. He is absolutely nerfed. The positive changes are only to prevent him from getting overnerfed.

Anyone who thinks techies is as good or better than he was last patch has no fucking clue what they're talking about. He can't do anything in lane so he's forced to sit in the enemy jungle putting mines down in the hopes that someone walks over them. This hero is good at one stage in the game now and thats high ground defense and hes only okay at that. Techies is by far at the lowest he has ever been and hes currently sitting at the bottom of the barrel.

 

[Tart Toter 9k]

reSpectHer is great, powerful, and not super tough to use.

Just watch the minimap always and don't max Dispersion first

Oh yeah, i love watching the minimap! That is one of my issues with playing carries that need a lot of farm as i am generally the first to tp when shit hits the fan in another lane. I cant seem to focus on farming for a longer period of time but i am getting better at it and just trusting that my teammates can handle the situation on their own.
Hoping Spectre solves that issue as she can stay farming while helping the team out after 6.

 

[twobear]

i don't understand spectre, i always go like 0 6 in lane and then have no impact for the rest of the game

 

[Monochromaticx]

i don't understand spectre, i always go like 0 6 in lane and then have no impact for the rest of the game

get good

 

[Zoon]

oov+dagger will be very strong early game

 

[1.09]

i mean who cares just pick undying and ember, get aghs and just end the game cuz no1 can actually fight you

haha xd

 

[Monochromaticx]

undying aghs in action https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo8zY9xLtUg

 

[Hylian7]

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1817818390

I hate people sometimes. AM abandoned about 6 minutes in and says "All our lanes are ass, good night"

Right after he left we got the critical kill we needed on Terrorblade. We lasted a long longer than we should have 4v5. We totally would have won the game if AM stayed. So frustrating.

 

[Wok]

Lich buffed aww yiss. Might go back to maining him :d

Midas Lich is the perfect anti-push. I might even try to go Octarine Core after that.

Edit: Or Midas on Ogre and Lich.

 

[Hylian7]

Puck is totes legit though and I think it's making a comeback. I missed Puck.

 

[Dreavus]

So I guess a Crimson Guard might be kinda useful on Spectre in some cases? Damage getting returned before reductions means this works right?

There are probably better items but sometimes vanguard is a thing.

 

[Imp the Dimp]

So good

 

[twobear]

terrorblade wont last long imo, once everyone remembers that he's more annoying than techies he'll go tumbling back down

 

[DrPizza]

melee heroes will still take damage from standing too close to the mines, it's a buff for short-range only

Quelling blade/battlefury can destroy mines from outside their activation range. So even melee heroes can disarm safely now.

 

[Napalm_Frank]

Agh+Octarine Undy new meta.

 

[twobear]

Quelling blade/battlefury can destroy mines from outside their activation range. So even melee heroes can disarm safely now.

oh yeah, good point

i guess having a techies on your team will be even more of an instant-lose against any semi-coordinated team than it was before

so much for making him less annoying

 

[Dreams-Visions]

You guys can stop shit posting now pls. OT12 will *not* go up until Sunday.

aka stop talking so fuckin much

bear, take your ass to bed.