Fines.
Pretty sure they've fined teams in the past for having off meta item builds.
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Fines.
Pretty sure they've fined teams in the past for having off meta item builds.
Vade
Member
That's a 50 DKP minus for building armlet on a 'Support' like Admiral you can only build 'Support' items such as mek, pipe, or lotus.
they made it so the first tower taken gives more gold and early gold is super important so switching lanes means putting yourself at a huge disadvantage
SecretMoblin
Member
That article is terribly written, wow.
Anyway, League remains on top and its power remains unmatched. I respect power.
Anyway, League remains on top and its power remains unmatched. I respect power.
Dreams-Visions
Member
I'm not sure about that. But they DID make changes to some of the towers to de-incentivize it.
I'm reading r/legal to get my fill of drama because the shuffle isn't delivering.
It's been one year since "kuroky was right!". I need up-to-date maymays.
Anyway Archie was referring to this: http://2015.na.lolesports.com/articles/eu-challenger-series-ruling-h2k-gaming
Imagine if Valve fined players for fountain diving! Dendi alone would've had to pay thousands in fines. $300 for every fountain hook.
It's been one year since "kuroky was right!". I need up-to-date maymays.
Anyway Archie was referring to this: http://2015.na.lolesports.com/articles/eu-challenger-series-ruling-h2k-gaming
Imagine if Valve fined players for fountain diving! Dendi alone would've had to pay thousands in fines. $300 for every fountain hook.
Nah, I remember a game a few years ago. Think it was a team named wolves? Who got mad because they got stomped and the enemy team went for clowny builds. So riot punished them for "disrespecting" the team.
Found it: http://www.dailydot.com/esports/riot-games-alliance-copenhagen-wolves/
WTF?!
Valve/other TOs only take action for throws if there is any actual evidence of match fixing, so why are they doing this purely from watching gameplay. We often say "Oh it's a 322" "X team is throwing", but we know that most of the time, it's unlikely there is a 322 situation going on there.
What a poor way to manage their league.
Tart Toter 9k
Member
Sasuga TUSRdono.
StrongArmSteady
Member
thirsty for a knife.
League: Made and updated by 500 people, prizepools of 3 mil
Dota: Made and updated by 3 people, prizepools of 20 mil
I can see why league pros would be salty
NormalFish
Banned
what are you even talking about? that ruling had nothing to do with "throwing" or match fixing. It was a ruling based on lack of sportsmanship. It's still dumb, and Riot has demonstrated they are far too trigger happy with fines, but at least read the article.
Conceptually, LCS is fantastic. Issue is Riot has demonstrated themselves to be less effective at running their league than a dead cat.
LUL 48% wr LUL
I decided to play something else than Dota/Soulsborne so I picked up SF5. It feels bizarre to say this, since I spent more on the compendium this year than I did on the digital deluxe version, but I kinda feel cheated on the season pass. Whats the point if you still have to grind or spend more real money for things like stages, colours etc?
waxinlyrical
Member
From the Dota 1 abilities is illusions are not controlleable so he won't be a micro hero unless he has changed a lot
It's a titty stream!
<imagine a barrage of Waifurunner facepalms if only the gaf dota 2 plugin was working for me>
There's a kind of "first blood" for towers, so you're somewhat disincentivized from making a 4-man tower trade.
I assumed. Even if I had read the description, which is a hassle when it comes to psn imho, I would have thought it had been a misprint or something, why have a season pass that doesn't really save you that much? Maybe there stuff further off in the future or something I missed that the game gave me..
edit: just saw that there are costumes coming in sept.
I did read it. I guess I misunderstood what "not playing their best" meant. I didn't think it was that stupid.
It gave me the impression they lost the game because they started screwing around, not screwing around and still winning. That makes it even worse.
SecretMoblin
Member
sportsmanlike conduct rules are part of a lot of real sports, with actual real-life penalties
the outlier is valve with their weaksauce shit
the outlier is valve with their weaksauce shit
NormalFish
Banned
tbh I don't disagree with you, but the way Riot does everything in post and isn't very consistent about actually following those rules (and thus players aren't as aware of them as they should be) is shit. Additionally, it feels like this is aggravated by the lack of surrender function in pro League (assuming this is still the case).
Hydrophobic
Member
They added a tower 'First Blood mechanic' that gives you like an extra 150-200 gold for killing the first tower in the game. There's no reliable way to be the first one to take a tower in a lane swap, so swapping right out the gate and leaving it to chance is too unsafe for most pro teams.
You're still allowed to surrender AFAIK, it's just almost never done. I'm sure I've seen 1-2 games end in surrender in the past year.
In fairness, you couldn't have known that Riot would keep base salaries and prize pools essentially the same for 3 years.
I'm reinstalling dota, pls send help.
NormalFish
Banned
Wonder if this is something Riot discourages, despite not ruling out. Or maybe the pros themselves have decided it's dumb? idk.
Sure, but at the same time building unconventional items is "unsportsmanlike"? I beg to differ on that.
Also why did Secret gg out of that game at Shanghai? I forgot.
Hydrophobic
Member
I've always assumed it was more of a pride thing because breaking into the base in League in most cases isn't nearly as hard as it is in dota, so you might as well play it out for the one in a million chance they fuck up and you make a comeback.
Sigismundo
Member
The one that was on OG from Jordan.The Swede or the Pole? I really like FATA
actually yeah he's half polish so never mind
At worst lateral move, with a lot of potential for upgrade. Team synergy is hard to predict.
waxinlyrical
Member
If I remember correctly, it was W33 being overly excited at winning a match, i.e. Secret was literally beating down on the enemy's ancient when he typed it out.
I think he did the same at TI as well, maybe Game 1 against Wings in the Grand Final?
NormalFish
Banned
Yeah, makes sense. But just like dota there are definitely situations in which you just won't win. Inhibitor mechanics aren't enough to come back from some of the real stomps.
I did wonder if maybe it was discouraged due to the whole finality of the lack of surrender. I could easily see people getting annoyed at the 15 minute GGs you occasionally see in dota. And those are the games in which league could really use a surrender mechanic.
It wasn't just building atypical items. I mean if they had just built the items it would be a nonissue.
Issue is they built those items and then stopped playing to end the game, instead farming kills in the base. Think a pudge sitting outside fountain farming for stacks.
Technosteve
Banned
is this myfreecams?
NormalFish
Banned
even better
rakkadakka
Member
It's pretty telling that Valve made a video celebrating fountain hooking at Ti3 and league fines people for switching lanes.
shira
Member
#notawhale
$2,130,000 USD
You basically need a miracle to happen and some established team kicks their 8-9k MMR carry and veteran support.
DC tried to do it the right way getting top NA talent and giving them everything they needed, but what they needed was high MMR/established euros.
Heroes of the Storm - Comprehensive Guide to Stutterstep/Kiting by C9 Fan, Top 10 Masters Player
"stutterstep"
Check out this step cancelling though:
(Ignore the filthy WZTV picker.)
"stutterstep"
Check out this step cancelling though:
(Ignore the filthy WZTV picker.)
So uh is building nonstandard items grounds for penalties now?
What's next? Fining alliance for picking a ti3 lineup out of meta since it's a non meta pick and clearly "trolling"?
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
Heroes of the Storm - Comprehensive Guide to Stutterstep/Kiting by C9 Fan, Top 10 Masters Player
"stutterstep"
Check out this step cancelling though:
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2809/12075925926_b3989279e5_o.gif[IMG]
(Ignore the filthy WZTV picker.)[/QUOTE]
Is this serious
But that is perfectly legal and not unsportsmanlike. In Dota, that could be dangerous as screwing up the fountain farming to open the other team to come back and win, and I don't really know how possible that is in LoL. Plus, in Dota the other team can always call gg and not suffer the fountain farming in competitive matches. If the other team refuses to gg and keeps getting hooked out, that is on them.
Hydrophobic
Member
Is stutter stepping not an appropriate term for a game that is running in the SC2 engine?
I vaguely remember watching the game in question and the gold difference was astronomical. Like, the losing team would've had to wipe the winning time 4-5 times to have anything close to a chance at winning. I'm trying to remember if I've ever seen any other games that had quite as big of a gold difference.
SecretMoblin
Member
it's the MOBA equivalent of a penalty for excessive celebration in football or a technical foul in basketball or code violations (racket throwing etc) in tennis.
it's not really the dumb MOBA wars "wow they were fined for exploring emergent gameplay? DotA 2 by Valve Corporation totally encourages that, shameful!"
if you think it's stupid to fine a team $300 (which is less than a slap on the wrist) for something like that, cool, but it's hardly worth the snickering condescension it's getting