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Genshin Impact |OT| 5.0 (Natlan) - Everything Changed When the Fire Nation Arrived
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Pejo
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Veressa leaks are coming out (the cowgirl from Collective of Plenty). Pink hair and her gimmick seems to be Plunging Attack DPS like Gaming.
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Looks like Iansan is 4* plunge support and Veressa is the 5*...
InterMusketeer
- I'm sorry...
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Looks like Iansan is 4* plunge support and Veressa is the 5*...
InterMusketeer
- I'm sorry...
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InterMusketeer
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Veressa leaks are coming out (the cowgirl from Collective of Plenty). Pink hair and her gimmick seems to be Plunging Attack DPS like Gaming.
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Looks like Iansan is 4* plunge support and Veressa is the 5*...
It sucks but I had time to prepare myself. I just find plunge kinda cringe. I feel that archetype was done with Xianyun and now they're tripling down on it. I was hoping for a fun new play style with dashing or something, so this comes as a disappointment. Just imagining the team... Plunge DPS Veressa, plunge support Iansan, plunge support Xianyun and probably Furina or Dendro. Maybe it's different enough in practice, but it just sounds boring to me.
Hopefully Iansan has some good cons so I'll (eventually) be able to brute force my way through and turn her into a DPS anyway.
Edit: Veressa kit leaks, supposedly reliable:
So she's a wrestler (luchador?) who uses CA headbutts to propel herself up into the air and then plunge. Her E is a damaging dash that also removes the stamina cost for a CA. Q performs a flying kick from which she can plunge down again. Doing so lets her activate her Q again. It sounds like a very active and varied play style on paper at least.
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Icymanipulator
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I like plunge. Unique playstyle and it gave me an excuse to pull Diluc out of the closet.
InterMusketeer
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I like plunge as much as the next guy, but it's also not so compelling a play style that we need three 5-stars and two 4-stars purely dedicated to it. Especially when Xianyun can turn anyone into a plunge DPS already.
Edit: Iansan kit is now available too. She's a Bennett replacement it seems. Her burst buffs ATK based on Iansan's remaining NS points and her own ATK stat. No more circle impact. She also records how far your active character has moved (a pedometer?) and restores her own NS points based on that, so this buff can potentially last for a long time. It sounds really good, but I'm a bit disappointed she's completely relegated to off-field. Doesn't seem like even her cons save her in that regard. At least I can put her in a bunch of teams, I guess. Great synergy with Chevy teams too.
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InterMusketeer
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I'm really looking forward to the volcano area. For a Pyro nation, Natlan has had remarkably little Pyro themes going on. I hope they'll be able to give us something cool and unique here.
Icymanipulator
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Ya when I imagined Natlan before release I thought of volcanos, rivers of lava, fire everywhere, dark skies, basically hell lol
But we got hit springs resort town and semi indigenous culture wars
deanote666
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You get the Natlan molten magic material in the underground areas.
Guess that proves no map expansion this patch then... Figured 1.8GB was too small...
Guess that proves no map expansion this patch then... Figured 1.8GB was too small...
InterMusketeer
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Most likely. She was rumored to be Cryo and Natlan's other sets shouldn't work on her. The only other possible candidates are Dahlia (But he's a 4-star so I doubt it) or the teased chef character. That set sounds like a mess with all those restrictions, but it'll probably make sense for her kit.might the second one be for Skirk?
Pejo
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Me trying to theorycraft a way to make this new set work with my DPS Shenhe despite the retarded requirements...5.5 New artifact sets.
First one is obviously for Varesa but I wonder, might the second one be for Skirk?
SSfox
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I really don't like this design of Varesa
Eww and Lansan is 4*. Should have pulled Chlorinde tbh
Eww and Lansan is 4*. Should have pulled Chlorinde tbh
Pejo
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Damn Veressa doesn't even look like she's from this game.
I actually like her design and the luchador theme though...
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Some more Varessa. She's got a brand new body shape. Really makes me mad that they triple nerfed Rosaria after seeing this...
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InterMusketeer
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You can tell she's been eating good. Damn she's thick. Needless to say I like her a lot. What a relief that they've added a new body type. This definitely makes up for Iansan's 4-star status.
And man is it cathartic to see Reddit freak out over this girl. "Why's her skirt so short", "She looks like a hentai character" and "What happened to this game, Sumeru and Fontaine were peak!" What alternate reality did they come from? They don't remember all the fanservice this game's had from day one? Are they stuck in a mass delusion? Imagine thinking the Sumeru and Fontaine pandering is the default for this game.
And since I'm the resident Iansan fan:
Can't wait for their other animations.
And man is it cathartic to see Reddit freak out over this girl. "Why's her skirt so short", "She looks like a hentai character" and "What happened to this game, Sumeru and Fontaine were peak!" What alternate reality did they come from? They don't remember all the fanservice this game's had from day one? Are they stuck in a mass delusion? Imagine thinking the Sumeru and Fontaine pandering is the default for this game.
And since I'm the resident Iansan fan:
Can't wait for their other animations.
Icymanipulator
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Hard pass on both
SSfox
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Damn Veressa doesn't even look like she's from this game.
I actually like her design and the luchador theme though...
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Some more Varessa. She's got a brand new body shape. Really makes me mad that they triple nerfed Rosaria after seeing this...
Yeah , the luchador concept is great but the character is way off. I would bet big bucks this was designed by some new recently recruited designers
InterMusketeer
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They look pretty damn good with very unique and fun animations. Their sprinting is hilarious. We're missing the enemies for them to propel off of though.
Roman Empire
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Just coming here to say I already saw the leaks and Varesa is mine. Until another time.
Pejo
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I just noticed that Iansan doesn't have the "kid" run animation. She just runs like a normal person instead of her hands out to the side like she's trying to be an airplane.
Both characters' animations are fantastic.
InterMusketeer
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It makes sense for her character since she acts more grown-up, but I didn't expect they'd put that much effort into changing it. I wonder if we can expect more of this in the future.
Pejo
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Yea now I am kinda excited for the future. Natlan, despite taking too many liberties with current day earth, has been a huge increase in animation, expressions, etc. Looks to be continuing too, which is good for the game.
Collection of Plenty went from a "yea whatever" thing, to major hype from me.
I hope in future regions we don't keep getting modern day stuff though, hope that part stays in Natlan.
Icymanipulator
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Might actually buy the moon pass just to have extra primos for Skirk. $5 so why not, and it’s been awhile since I’ve bought anything in game.
Reizo Ryuu
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Iansan is 4*?
Pejo
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Good news is that she's basically Electro Bennett (more than Kujou Sara ended up being anyway). Really good buffer, seemingly. Especially for Natlan teams.Iansan is 4*?
In other news,
InterMusketeer
you were not exaggerating at all about Varessa. Reddit is furious that they made a cute and clumsy fanservice character. They are himming and hawwing at every little thing about her and her kit. Hilarious. Get fucked, reddit.I was playing around in Mizuki's trial a bit, and I just have to wonder - why does she exist in the state she's in? They could have made her better in so many ways, it's just so strange to release a random terrible character at this point in the game's life. Exact same role as Sayu/Jean/Cloud Retainer as far as swirl healer, but without any cool gimmick that separates her from them. Like was there no other spare character kit they had laying around that they could at least given her a weird niche? Why not make her just a generic Hydro shielder bot, we still don't have one of those. Or make her imbue Anemo so any character can swirl. Just fucking bizarre that they would even bother releasing a character this bad.
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InterMusketeer
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Yeah they're going crazy. All the frustrated girlies must have converged there. Almost every positive comment is down voted and hidden. What a cesspool.In other news,
This is what I was afraid of when they announced we'd be getting more standard 5-stars. More terrible, useless characters and wasted designs. When I saw the state Mizuki released in, I decided to use my saved Acquaint Fates. Figured I'd rather get some other 5-star. Didn't end up mattering because I got trash 4-stars and a Tighnari con, but still.
Pejo
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What's crazy to me is that they were all bitching and complaining that Mavuika was "too perfect". Strong, capable, never loses, etc. Now they're complaining that Varessa is a "girlfailure" and always falling down etc. They don't even understand that it's like one of those split personality tropes that she's a different personality when she puts on the mask. Media literacy and literacy in general has gotten so bad on reddit. It's impossible to have a conversation about anything there anymore. What a shithole.
I just don't get the thought process. Many people had to sign off on her kit. Why purposefully make a bad/useless character? It's so easy to make one that has a niche without being overpowered. I just don't get what the game gains by having this type of release. Even just as standard banner filler, she could still do SOMETHING new. It's especially jarring coming off of the Natlan characters since they all have new gimmicks and mechanics, then we go back to "she's Sayu but without the roll." Crazy part is, I like her visual design a lot. What a shame.
They're gonna get an earful in the next survey about this stuff.
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What kind of joyless fuck do you have to be, to be mad at something like this?
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InterMusketeer
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Seems to me they've decided to hate on any new female character and then look for justifications afterwards. It's all just nonsense. Citlali is retroactively getting hated on and apparently Mizuki is now too fanservice-y too.
I can only imagine they want to add new standard characters to appease the whales, but they don't want to make them too powerful or compelling because that's a character/kit they could actually sell.
It's gonna be so comfy to have Varesa, Iansan and Xianyun in the same team for overworld.
InterMusketeer
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Pejo
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Looks like HoYo got 200+ leakers arrested and fined. They meant business with it I guess. Makes sense, we haven't seen a whole lot come out that isn't from the beta which is easy pickings.
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Speaking of leaks, here are some 5.5 QoL update leaks. The Sanctifying Elixer stuff is nice, but still not enough IMO for how rare they are. Looks like they're taking steps to make changes for minors due to that US "loot box" lawsuit that came out last month. I have no problem with restricting kids for communication with others and gambling. Also double domain rewards for artifact domains. Hope they run it more often than they currently do.
Translated below from Google Translate.
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Speaking of leaks, here are some 5.5 QoL update leaks. The Sanctifying Elixer stuff is nice, but still not enough IMO for how rare they are. Looks like they're taking steps to make changes for minors due to that US "loot box" lawsuit that came out last month. I have no problem with restricting kids for communication with others and gambling. Also double domain rewards for artifact domains. Hope they run it more often than they currently do.
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Icymanipulator
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Looks like HoYo got 200+ leakers arrested and fined. They meant business with it I guess. Makes sense, we haven't seen a whole lot come out that isn't from the beta which is easy pickings.
Translated below from Google Translate.
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Speaking of leaks, here are some 5.5 QoL update leaks. The Sanctifying Elixer stuff is nice, but still not enough IMO for how rare they are. Looks like they're taking steps to make changes for minors due to that US "loot box" lawsuit that came out last month. I have no problem with restricting kids for communication with others and gambling. Also double domain rewards for artifact domains. Hope they run it more often than they currently do.
There should be some kind of double reward every week on a rotating basis, money, xp, artifacts, talents
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InterMusketeer
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They want you to buy the battle pass and/or those adventurer's packs, so this would never happen.
Reizo Ryuu
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Beidou has two eyes....
And this guy predicted it 4 years ago
And this guy predicted it 4 years ago
InterMusketeer
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Can't wait to pull C27 Gaming and C18 Faruzan while trying to get my first Iansan.
Completed Mizuki's quest yesterday since they said it'd be best to finish it before starting the event. It's okay. She's another 'for you' character, even ending in a confession.
Completed Mizuki's quest yesterday since they said it'd be best to finish it before starting the event. It's okay. She's another 'for you' character, even ending in a confession.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Will probably spend all my primos on Furina's banner rerun, but I'll say that I kinda dig Varesa's design.
Pejo
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So Honkai Star Rail is going through some feedback to HoYo. At this point there's lots of stuff people are unhappy about, and HoYo actually addressed it in an impromptu dev notes. They're going to be making some changes due to feedback (and probably declining banners sales - the real reason) which includes buffing old units. Nobody knows what that means yet, if it's going to be new gacha stuff you have to roll to increase power, or just new artifact sets or something lame like that, or if they're going to actually buff underperforming character kits carefully and thoughtfully. Makes me hopeful that someday Genshin might get a glance towards its older underperforming characters.
I think Genshin is generally in a better overall place with powercreep, but that doesn't mean there isn't a sizeable group of characters that are nigh useless. I'd love to see them have a second go at improving those characters. I feel the level 100 uncap with new passives is their chance to that organically, but I'd take whatever I could get.
This got me thinking about how I'm still passively farming for god-tier artifacts for Eula, and how useless it is now, more than ever. Mavuika pretty much stole her niche as a burst nuke, elements aside. Same basic category of setup -> nuke, but Mav's version is so much stronger, faster, easier, and more satisfying. Not to mention that Mav has like 5 different playstyles where Eula is stuck with her rotation. This is the type of thing I'd like to see HoYo address, but I already know it's very unlikely. It'd be nice to see them show some goodwill to the players for something that doesn't necessarily show a path to making more money, but that's not how gachas work, I guess.
Well, I guess Eula can still take out pyro slimes more effectively than Mav, maybe?
I think Genshin is generally in a better overall place with powercreep, but that doesn't mean there isn't a sizeable group of characters that are nigh useless. I'd love to see them have a second go at improving those characters. I feel the level 100 uncap with new passives is their chance to that organically, but I'd take whatever I could get.
This got me thinking about how I'm still passively farming for god-tier artifacts for Eula, and how useless it is now, more than ever. Mavuika pretty much stole her niche as a burst nuke, elements aside. Same basic category of setup -> nuke, but Mav's version is so much stronger, faster, easier, and more satisfying. Not to mention that Mav has like 5 different playstyles where Eula is stuck with her rotation. This is the type of thing I'd like to see HoYo address, but I already know it's very unlikely. It'd be nice to see them show some goodwill to the players for something that doesn't necessarily show a path to making more money, but that's not how gachas work, I guess.
Well, I guess Eula can still take out pyro slimes more effectively than Mav, maybe?
Icymanipulator
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I would love to see level 100 cap unlock new skills and/or passives that really mix things up and give older 5* another chance to shine and be relevant again.
Doom85
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Honkai Star Rail was 4th place in January (still above titles like Zenless and Wuthering) with its 3.0 patch, I don’t think banner sales are an issue. If they were low before that, well, 2.5-2.7 were “filler patches” for lack of a better word, so I don’t think power creep was the most relevant issue if sales were possibly down during that time.
Honestly my issue with the HSR power creep complaints is, to my understanding, that power creep is largely only relevant to the end game modes and NOT the actual story and general event content. And I feel it only makes sense to reward the players who are still pulling on some of the newer banners.
One can still clear 80-90% of end game modes with older units (which means players not somewhat caught up on new banners are missing like 80-100 Stellar Jade per end game update, that’s not much difference and they’re still likely earning 600 or so Jade, versus 720 Jade for players with newer characters or E1 and higher older characters) so it’s hard for me to not see it as ridiculous that people are complaining about this. It’s like somebody buying only a starter deck of a trading card game and then whining to the people who make the game that they can’t beat the guy who bought the starter deck AND a booster pack box. Sorry, Hoyo has to do something to reward the players who are still pulling on plenty of new banners.
If I am wrong and the newer story bosses have gotten majorly stronger compared to past story bosses, fair enough, I’ve just not heard of it. It was evident to me the main story itself doesn’t seem power crept given a situation where, a few months ago, a guy on gamefaqs was like, “I can’t beat the 2.3 boss, I’m still somewhat new to the game, and you all said all of the main story was clearable with older units, this is a lie!” People asked him to post his characters so they could figure out an ideal team composition for him, and so he tried again and still lost and continued to complain…..and then he posted back a bit later and said, “…..so I may have realized I forgot leveling Light Cones was a thing.” He fixed that issue and beat the 2.3 boss no problem.
The only 5 star character who I feel has become mostly useless in general for players over time is Silver Wolf, and that’s largely due to her gameplay functions not being affected so much by power creep but rather that players should know have all of the element types covered by this point and thus a unit that can add elemental weaknesses to an enemy is not really necessary at this point.
Icymanipulator
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Playing the new Inazuma event just makes me hope that we’ll get another version of Raiden , True Raiden, Ei somewhere down the line and she’ll be broken all over again.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Ngl, I wouldn't mind being handed a fake Raiden banknote.
Pejo
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Damn, here's a leak I wish I wouldn't have seen. Looks to be some MAJOR overall plot development happening in 5.5.
So it looks like the "fake sky" is making a comeback, but this time not just in a cutscene with Ronova peeking at us. Hopefully this ties together a lot of the theories and lore and we start finding out the truth about what Teyvat is.
deanote666
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I just wish there was more about the Teyvat origins/history in the game itself and not just in wikis.
Pejo
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Agree 100% about this. There's lots of awesome pre-Traveler era lore in the game, but it's all in those dry as fuck books in the archive and statue text etc. I don't get why they're punishing people by making them read all of the boring text logs instead of seamlessly incorporating it into quests and stuff. Imagine if dailies each had a few tidbits about ancient Teyvat, might be a reason to pay attention when you do them.
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Man they keep cooking with Varessa. Now her Burst superimposes a full wrestling ring. Ever since I lost my suspension of disbelief with Mavuika and her motorcycle, I'm embracing the idiocy. I think this looks cool as hell.
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deanote666
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On the new weekly, can anyone reliably purify the stones to stop the meteor?
Think I've only done it once in time.
I don't even try anymore. I just wait for the meteor so I can keep hacking at the boss.
Think I've only done it once in time.
I don't even try anymore. I just wait for the meteor so I can keep hacking at the boss.