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Japan DS/PSP Sales Charts
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Thanks Dalthien and Rock_Man.
Since the release of DS it's been obvious Nintendo has been publishing more titles than they have previously, so I looked through their Japanese site to see how many titles they released on existing systems and was surprised at just how much they've grown.
Wii: 13 titles over 9 months
DS: 78 titles over 2 years 9 months
(incl. Pictochat and 1 title being 5 Point and Speak Phrasebooks)
GC: 54 titles over 5 years 4 months
(55 listed, incl. FFCC)
GBA: 76 titles over 5 years 6 months
(3 titles being 10 Famicom Mini games each)
N64: 45 titles over 4 years 11 months
SNES: 29 titles over 6 years 4 months
GB/GBC: 65 titles over 12 years 3 months
Nintendo has already published more titles on DS than any other system since the GB/GBC, (probably more than they ever have, NES info wasn't available), and has passed GBA's total in half the time! Also, with the upcoming release of Mario Strikers Charged, Nintendo is publishing Wii titles at 1.5x the rate of GC (14 games over 15 months on GC, 14 games over 10 months on Wii).
Since the release of DS it's been obvious Nintendo has been publishing more titles than they have previously, so I looked through their Japanese site to see how many titles they released on existing systems and was surprised at just how much they've grown.
Wii: 13 titles over 9 months
DS: 78 titles over 2 years 9 months
(incl. Pictochat and 1 title being 5 Point and Speak Phrasebooks)
GC: 54 titles over 5 years 4 months
(55 listed, incl. FFCC)
GBA: 76 titles over 5 years 6 months
(3 titles being 10 Famicom Mini games each)
N64: 45 titles over 4 years 11 months
SNES: 29 titles over 6 years 4 months
GB/GBC: 65 titles over 12 years 3 months
Nintendo has already published more titles on DS than any other system since the GB/GBC, (probably more than they ever have, NES info wasn't available), and has passed GBA's total in half the time! Also, with the upcoming release of Mario Strikers Charged, Nintendo is publishing Wii titles at 1.5x the rate of GC (14 games over 15 months on GC, 14 games over 10 months on Wii).
Pureauthor
Member
Defuser said:
Hardware moves at a decent clip, but software wise... enh.
nincompoop
Banned
Whoa, there's a Shin Chan game for the DS? RELEASE IN US PLEASE
the thoroughbred
Member
titiklabingapat said:
I don't think its their fault. There's been a rush of new software every week, for the past year. And most casual users are hardly going to have more than 3 games in the DS's lifetime. Hopefully, there will be a large weight pushing the DS forward in coming years, and lots of old games will continue to be sold in the 1000's every week.
There needs to be a ban on new games, so people have a chance to save up, and buy some of the games already made. Well that's how I feel anyway.
UntoldDreams
Member
Pureauthor said:Hardware moves at a decent clip, but software wise... enh.
Why do people slam PSP sales so much? This chart proves only that its definitely profitable to make stuff for the PSP and DS both.
BANDAI Released 2 Dragonball Z games for PSP and DS each.
DS Total Sales: 317,078 + 136,441 = 453,519
PSP Total Sales: 140,863 + 78,227 = 219,090
If you were in charge of Bandai...
Why would you NOT want to make a game for PSP and make more money? To please haters?
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
UntoldDreams said:
The same reason that people bump old threads
Nuclear Muffin said:
One thing is that affects the ratio on the handhelds is that a good percentage people own more than 1, i.e a DS + DSL, and from a family perspective quite a few more. We have 3 DS phats between the kids and I right now and eventually it will be 3 DS phats + 3 DSLs. A few games such as pokemon you buy a copy for each family member but a lot of other games you buy one to share for the whole family and take turns. If there were a way to track tie ratio per person or family instead of per handheld it would be substantially higher. You have this to some degree with consoles too but nowhere as much.
The DS is declining and the PSP is increasing in both hardware and software sales the last 2 months in Japan. The tide is turning.
The PSP just has positive movement and feedback all around. We will settle into a comfortable 35/65 by the end of the market's life which should be considered a success by Sony for having taken 35% of Nintendo's market.
The PSP just has positive movement and feedback all around. We will settle into a comfortable 35/65 by the end of the market's life which should be considered a success by Sony for having taken 35% of Nintendo's market.
jarrod said:
Do we even know if MH3 is time-exclusive or not? Or only a Wii exclusive concerning consoles? I don't remember how detailed the exclusivity was described in the press release.
I don't see why they suddenly would stop making PSP versions though, when clearly there's profit to be made on the platform. Well, unless they're getting a lot of money-hats or similar from Nintendo of course.
But I'm sure we'll see a PSP version sooner or later. Just slap a different subtitle on the box, throw in some extra material and call it a day. After all, Capcom is hardly unfamiliar with that routine.
Tabris said:
Do you think Nintendo would really care? The DS will surpass 60 million worldwide by the start of next year. So what if Sony sells 20 million PSP systems? For Nintendo, the DS is their biggest boon pretty much ever, so why look at market share?
And what tide? :lol DS is going to explode this holiday season everywhere. PSP just doesn't have the software to back it up. Go look in the stickied weekly releases thread. DS's Japanese line-up is just full of heavy hitters.
Yeah, I guess it really all depends on the details of the exclusive deal. Even if it's a year, I can see Port 3rd coming after that...Kiriku said:Do we even know if MH3 is time-exclusive or not? Or only a Wii exclusive concerning consoles? I don't remember how detailed the exclusivity was described in the press release.
I don't see why they suddenly would stop making PSP versions though, when clearly there's profit to be made on the platform. Well, unless they're getting a lot of money-hats or similar from Nintendo of course.
But I'm sure we'll see a PSP version sooner or later. Just slap a different subtitle on the box, throw in some extra material and call it a day. After all, Capcom is hardly unfamiliar with that routine.
So does this finally end the argument that Nintendo completely obliterates all other 3rd parties on their formats?
Seriously. No one should ever bitch about 3rd party support on Nintendo platforms again. Look at those numbers, what 3rd party in their right mind wouldn't run like mad away from that?
SE is the only one who's average game is even half of Nintendo's average game. Why compete in such a lopsided market when MS and Sony will effectively pay you not to?
charlequin
Banned
Drek said:
You might want to look at a metric (or series of metrics) that's even remotely representative before you draw a conclusion here. Say, apples-to-apples comparisons of series performance from GBA -> DS (most of which are notably up), or individual performance of top games from different publishers. It's also probably worth checking in again this winter, after some of the huge third party DS titles (which have essentially no first-party competition this holiday) get counted.
The DS is absolutely not the Nintendo system that has any justification for the "trouble for third-parties" stigma.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Drek said:
Get a PSP sales by publisher and get the average per game, then we can talk.
It doesn't matter that sales are bad if there is no base to compare it to.
If a company A has 130,000 sales on Console A, it really is absurd to compare it without looking at the sales on Console B and view other stuff like production costs and overall profit.
Drek said:
This position is kinda lacking in nuance, isn't it? I've tried to address this point before, but basically looking at flat averages is a lot less instructive than looking at the sales of specific games. Would these games have performed better on a different platform? Would the company have gotten better sales just flat out making another game on a different platform?
Tecmo's just released a new game that's already outsold all their Ninja Gaidens in Japan and looks like it'll outsell DoA4 as well as their recent Deception/Gallop Racer games (the other top two franchises for the company). Are these bad sales for Tecmo because a Nintendo game has sold more? Level-5 published its first game on the DS and it's sold more than their three Sony-published PS2 games combined. Should they consider that a disappointment? Look at my older post and you can see how Atlus's Etrian Odyssey sales stack up against the sales they got on the PS2 for various games. Sega got its second million seller in its entire history on the DS, so you know, I think they're probably seeing that as a success.
The problem with looking at averages and nothing but the averages is that you're seeing the positive sales dragged down by shovelware that sells poorly, is designed to sell poorly (because it's so cheaply made), and would sell poorly on any system. Bandai's totals are lowered by something like Treasure Gaust -- do you think that would've sold well on any system?
To provide some context here...
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Company: NDS Total: PSP Total: NDS Avg: PSP Avg:
Square Enix 4,746,359 1,458,950 395,530 243,158
Bandai 3,962,256 1,451,544 141,509 69,121
Sega 2,725,047 880,861 118,480 58,724
Capcom 2,011,083 2,672,232 167,590 222,686
Konami 1,835,333 1,915,853 57,354 79,827
Namco 1,475,827 1,925,716 86,813 101,353
Marvelous 781,287 176,708 71,026 25,244
Hudson 601,047 88,076 42,932 22,019
Spike 465,770 13,990 77,628 6,995
Banpresto 456,532 140,483 91,306 46,828
EA 250,723 159,589 35,818 14,508
Atlus 168,881 35,466 56,294 17,733
Taito 199,376 29,296 18,125 17,406You're right that a lot of these averages aren't astonishing, and even some of the totals aren't... but they're not going to be unless the quality and calibre of the games are increased, too. For instance, there are a few publishers that, just in looking at the averages, have clearly done better on the PSP -- Capcom, Konami, and Namco. In Capcom's case, it's obviously because they haven't seen anything sell nearly as well as the two Monster Hunter games (their median sales on the PSP are a frightfully low 33,000). Konami and Namco are the two companies that have had the most drastic and noticable difference in quality support for the PSP versus the DS, and they've seen the appropriate pay-offs for that.
Or how about we look at it this way:
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Company: NDS Total: PS3 Total: NDS Avg: PS3 Avg:
Sega 2,725,047 151,838 118,480 37,960
Konami 1,835,333 81,068 57,354 40,534Put in this light, why in the world would Konami or Sega continue PS3 development? Clearly the DS is a much more lucrative arena...
Actually, we're working on putting that together right now. We should have it up shortly, and then it will be updated on a regular basis along with the charts.Hcoregamer00 said:
Edit - although for the time-being (until we get the PSP publisher breakdown finished), ethelred seems to have done a nice job.
That was never really an argument though. The truth is that Nintendo obliterates all other publishers regardless of platform. You can add all the platforms together, and Nintendo still dominates any and every other publisher.Drek said:
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
jarrod said:
I can't imagine that Capcom would agree to anything that would eliminate a third game on the PSP. Actually i'd be more inclined to believe Capcom chose the Wii over the PS3 for MH3 because it'd be easier to port a Wii game to the PSP than a PS3 game.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
That was a backhanded bitchslap if I ever saw one.:lolHaunted One said:
There's a reason I knew of ethelred years before I joined.
Unabrashed uncontrolled truth. Nintendo fans seem to hate him for that, and I'm starting to think Sony fans might soon too.:lol
Heh, I really like the NeoGAF.
Zoramon089
Banned
Lol, I don't think Drek is posting in this topic again...
PistolGrip
sex vacation in Guam
154,816 Loco Roco (Sony) (7/13/06) through Dec 31/06
hmm loco roco did alright.
hmm loco roco did alright.
edwardslane
Member
after seeing those Ds numbers, the psp software sales are pretty lackluster.
If you're any company looking to design a game.. the DS is without a doubt the choice. way bigger user base, cheaper development costs.
If you're any company looking to design a game.. the DS is without a doubt the choice. way bigger user base, cheaper development costs.
edwardslane said:
Nah its not that bad at all for the PSP.
If you take out the first party games for both systems, they're both pretty comparable. Remember good first party sales have never translated to good third party sales for nintendo systems and third parties know that. Even then though DS still beats the PSP pretty handily but its not a day and night difference where Developers steer away from PSP development.
Heck sadly the company thats giving the PSP the largest cold shoulder is sony.
Earthstrike
Member
Tabris said:
Yes, Lets use the sales during the general period crisis core launched as a basis for all future sales.
ccbfan said:
Wow, it's almost like I never posted at all.
Tell me, what do you consider "comparable?" Because if I take out first party sales for the DS and the PSP, it certainly looks to me like third parties have sold twice as much software on the DS compared to the PSP. This is "comparable?"
Hey, guys, seriously, I know it's fun to just spout off whatever nonsense pops into your brains, but when all the numbers are right here, it wouldn't actually kill you to do a bit of simple stats beforehand.
Guys, DS games don't make that much money The margins are pretty shitty. Please don't compare the UMD to it. It's just silly. Very, very few companies are getting 1 money hat off the DS let alone MANY money hats.
Now Wii vs PS3 is a different story. But then, if you're putting it out for the Wii, you might as well put it out on the PS2 also.
The margins are pretty shitty. Please don't compare the UMD to it. It's just silly. Very, very few companies are getting 1 money hat off the DS let alone MANY money hats.Now Wii vs PS3 is a different story. But then, if you're putting it out for the Wii, you might as well put it out on the PS2 also.
ethelred said:
Like I said its not that bad.
If you look at the numbers the only major companies that blow the PSP numbers out of the water is Sega and Bandai.
Sega is mostly based off of the love and berry game while Bandai mostly from Taiamgcuhi (no clue how to spell it) and jump superstars.
Like I said its not like a game on the DS have a much better chance to succeed than a game on the PSP. (DS is better but not much better)
schild said:Guys, DS games don't make that much money
Now Wii vs PS3 is a different story. But then, if you're putting it out for the Wii, you might as well put it out on the PS2 also.
Wow.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Oh shit, how did I miss that? PSP beat Phat. Though I guess "PSP Fat" didn't, since that includes a few hundred thousand Slim.