NintendosBooger
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Atreides said:
Doesn't matter. Nintendo has shown that they can also develop new IPs that sell a lot of software and hardware.
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Media Create Sales: 01/19 - 01/25
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Doesn't matter. Nintendo has shown that they can also develop new IPs that sell a lot of software and hardware.
JoshuaJSlone
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Well, 15% sounds about right for hardware and other major games like MK Wii and Super Mario Galaxy as well. Japan is a minor fraction of Wii action.markatisu said:
charlequin
Banned
Glad to see Nintendo being repudiated for their all-systems-failure on software development and deployment; glad to see Square-Enix being mega-fucking-repudiated on their totally botched risk-aversion strategy of slapping the FF name on things; I guess good Tales PSP sales don't really count as a repudiation but I do think it's illustrative of how poor the overall Tales brand strategy is that this game is lookingg to outsell the recent "mothership" titles.
The one that comes to mind immediately is Spyro in the US, where both critical and commercial success fell off a cliff when Insomniac moved on from developing. Again, I'd say the FF series demonstrates sensitivity to this point. Suikoden's crash and burn after Suikoden IV is pretty much attributable to this as well.
Anyway!
A given developer doesn't have infinite resources; they have time to develop a set number of titles per time period X, and just constantly expanding until you become some enormous behemoth is neither tremendously viable nor desirable for most development houses. That means your strategy has to be based around allocating those resources usefully and managing growth until you reach the size you want to be.
Saying that part of this investment should be dversifying your investment is like 101-level strategy, even if many developers can't seem to implement it. Obviously you want to keep nurturing your hits so they become regular streams of revenue; obviously you want to put out trial balloons to find out what series can become your next hit; obviously you want to train successors to your valuable employees so you have someone to replace them with when they leave. That's all very straightforward strategic growth, and when you follow it successfully you end up looking a lot like Nintendo in the NES-SNES era, or Squaresoft in the SNES-PSX era.
What these developers don't do is put top franchises in incapable hands; they just slow down the frequency of franchise entries and make sure their producers spend time on new ideas as well as guaranteed hits, and do good succession planning so there are young turks chomping at the bit to become AAA stars when an opening presents itself.
I mean, if this is all you want developers to do, well then that's cool, but what it sounds like to me is that you're basically arguing for a variant of the Activision strategy, which is pretty actively bad for game consumers and I don't think is particularly sustainable for game series for which quality is at all important in driving sales....
donny2112 said:
The one that comes to mind immediately is Spyro in the US, where both critical and commercial success fell off a cliff when Insomniac moved on from developing. Again, I'd say the FF series demonstrates sensitivity to this point. Suikoden's crash and burn after Suikoden IV is pretty much attributable to this as well.
Anyway!
A given developer doesn't have infinite resources; they have time to develop a set number of titles per time period X, and just constantly expanding until you become some enormous behemoth is neither tremendously viable nor desirable for most development houses. That means your strategy has to be based around allocating those resources usefully and managing growth until you reach the size you want to be.
Saying that part of this investment should be dversifying your investment is like 101-level strategy, even if many developers can't seem to implement it. Obviously you want to keep nurturing your hits so they become regular streams of revenue; obviously you want to put out trial balloons to find out what series can become your next hit; obviously you want to train successors to your valuable employees so you have someone to replace them with when they leave. That's all very straightforward strategic growth, and when you follow it successfully you end up looking a lot like Nintendo in the NES-SNES era, or Squaresoft in the SNES-PSX era.
What these developers don't do is put top franchises in incapable hands; they just slow down the frequency of franchise entries and make sure their producers spend time on new ideas as well as guaranteed hits, and do good succession planning so there are young turks chomping at the bit to become AAA stars when an opening presents itself.
I mean, if this is all you want developers to do, well then that's cool, but what it sounds like to me is that you're basically arguing for a variant of the Activision strategy, which is pretty actively bad for game consumers and I don't think is particularly sustainable for game series for which quality is at all important in driving sales....
test_account said:How do you mean? PES is a multiplatform game. It was released on the PS3 and the Xbox 360 the same day if i am not mistaken. Sure, they didnt make a DS version of this year's PES, and the Wii version still isnt out yet, that is fair enough, but PES is still a multiplatform game
I was saying that jest, after thouroughly enjoying seeing Konami's retarded strategy backfire.
But really, their decision to put PES on the HD family first is purely to get their fanbase to get a PS3. If they want to sell the most software the logical thing to do would be to release the game on the platform where most of the game's fans are 1st(PS2).
I can't help but feel most of Konami's decisions have been pro Sony and I don't think I am the only one. I figure Konami have put alot of resources into the PS3 and are doing everything in their might to get PS3 on top, even at their own risk.
test_account
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Sure, i also dont think Konami made exactly the best decition by splitting the release dates on the different versions of PES 2009 like they did, i agreegoompapa said:
I do think it is an interesting question topic that you talk about, why Konami chose to do it like this. It can be because they wanted to get their fanbase to get a PS3 and that they have put alot of resources into the PS3 like you said, i think this is a very possible answer to why Konami did what they did with PES 2009 regarding releasing the different versions at a different time.
I also have another though, could it also be that people in general is starting to lose the interest in the PS2, and that this might also affect the PES 2000 PS2 version software sale? Of course, the later release after the PS3 and the Xbox 360 version probably had much to say too just to underline that.
To take an example, FIFA 08 for the PS2 reached the "Double Platinum" status (over 600k copies sold) in the UK, but FIFA 09 for the PS2 has so far "only" reached the "Gold" status (200k copies sold). FIFA 08 has been out for a longer time than FIFA 09 though, so maybe this has something to say, but i would be suprised if FIFA 09 for the PS2 reaches the "Double Platinum" status.
I know that this Media Create thread is about the japanese sales and that i just mentioned some UK sales stuff, but i am wondering if the same situation can be the case in Japan as well as in the UK.
Maybe Konami thinks this way, that they think that the PS2 software sales is about to go downwards and downwards in the next years that will come, and they want to try to move the PES franchice over the the HD consoles to "secure" (or what i shall say) how the future will be, since the HD consoles will most likely likely "take over" for the PS2 in the future if you know what i mean?
On the other hand, i dont think this quite explains why Konami wouldnt want to release all of the PES 2009 versions at the same time. They could just have done it and see how all the versions sold anyway, at least in my opinion. If for example the PS2 version of PES 2009 had sold maybe 200k - 300k more copies if it was released at the same time as the PS3 and the Xbox version, then i cant quite see how Konami where thinking about this situation. Maybe they thought that the PS2 version of PES 2009 would sell good even if they released it at a later time like they did? That they first wanted to released the Xbox 360 and the PS3 version first to make as much money as possible on those, and then hoping that the PS2 version of PES 2009 would sell good even with the later release?
But ye, i agree with what you say about what Konami did regarding the different release dates on the different versions of PES 2009. I think it should be interesting to see how PES 2009 will end up selling in total over all the platforms compared to how PES 2008 sold in total over all the platforms
I understand what you mean about "Keep crawling deeper in Sony's @ss !
My question was a genuine question, i was just curious about what you ment, i didnt have any negative tone in my question or anything like that just to underline that (i am not saying that you accuse me of this, i just wanted to mention it anyway ). Thanks for the answer! goompapa said:
so Konami delayed Sony PS2 version to be Pro Sony? :lol
I am curious - was innovative PES Wii control system also part of their Pro Sony campaign or?
They are putting a lot of resources in PS3 because thats whats going to be on the market in next few years, and thats where they are least competitive.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
bttb said:
It seems to deserve it.
Word on the street is that Radiant Mythology 2 is probably the best entry in the Tales of the World franchise. It seems like it got a larger budget for the second PSP iteration.
I have no hope for a USA release, so I will likely order off play-asia in 1 or 2 weeks.
Spiegel said:
Not necessarily, the PSP release of the original did well, and the improvements (from what I hear) make the sales worth it.
lowlylowlycook
Member
spwolf said:
In Japan? Crazy.
Or are you just talking about selling PES in Europe?
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
A tales PSP game built from the ground up by one of the Tales studios would be amazing. I would import it in a heartbeat because Radiant Mythology 1 got me drooling at the idea of full fledged Tales game.
Radiant Mythology looks great on the PSP, and the damn game was made on a shoestring budget by a not-so-amazing developer (alfa systems), and it was created when all PSP games had the CPU locked at 66% of the actual system's power.
Radiant Mythology looks great on the PSP, and the damn game was made on a shoestring budget by a not-so-amazing developer (alfa systems), and it was created when all PSP games had the CPU locked at 66% of the actual system's power.
charlequin said:
Do you know if the main developers at Insomniac were in a position to guide development and force design decisions, if necessary? For the strategy to work, the original developers have to be both interested in keeping the brand strong and in a position to force changes in the development of the game by the secondary/outsourced group.
charlequin said:
Pretty much, yeah.
I didn't think it was too outrageous a concept. Just trying to reduce the company's risk to a single series bombing out by using your best talent to try to create new revenue streams, whenever possible. As mentioned at the beginning, it's sort of like my understanding of 3M's strategy of requiring 30% of their revenue each year to come from new product lines (After some investigation, it's 30% of their revenue needs to come from product lines introduced in the last four years. Same basic concept, though). Force growth to actively stave off stagnation.charlequin said:
I believe that pretty much covers it, yeah.
charlequin said:
What would Activision's strategy be? The only thing I usually associate to Activision as a strategy is requiring annual releases, and I don't want that to become the norm.
charlequin
Banned
bcn-ron said:
I think it's pretty unlikely that this game is getting backlash from a nigh-universally lauded game in an entirely different genre which bears basically no relation to this new release besides the subtitle, rather than getting backlash from a same-genre game on one of the same platforms that got lousy reviews and was missing key features.
bistromathics
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PantherLotus said:
Kurosaki Ichigo
Member
I think our beloved, little apes escaped their cages and they are in control of SCE now. Rant to follow.
List of PS3 SCE-published games
So they basically release all their games at either 5000 or 6000Y for two years and then...bam!:
Resistance 2 - 6980Y
White Knight Chronicles - 6980Y
Just a coincidence? Lets see upcoming games:
Demon's Souls - 6980Y
Killzone 2 - 6980Y
And Killzone 2 is their Golden Week game showing once again their perfectly reasonable planning capabilities.
Must be that their own japanese studios are too busy releasing games on the PSP. Lets see their following effort. Mmmm, its actually a Media.Vision game from Wild Arms fame. And its coming next Thursday.
http://www.jp.playstation.com/scej/title/enkaku/
How nice of them, they opened the website the 3rd of October and updated it ONCE on the 8th of October. And that's it.
The game will be released next week, it was rated by Famitsu and another magazine. The amount of hype of the japanese must be piercing heaven and hell by now.
Must be a coincidence. There must be a truckload of support coming after this little carried-away black sheep. Let's see their lineup:
- Resistance Retribution, nice, I'm sure the japanese will like the texture-swapped Syphon Filter gameplay. Oh wait, they didn't release a single Syphon Filter PSP game in Japan.
- Minna no Golf Portable 2 The Best! re-release, fucking giant effort I tell you.
- Ape Quest, oh my, isn't this downloadable since a year ago? Yes, it is.
- Juusei to Diamond. Nice, a new IP from SCEJ themselves. Let's have a look at the website:
http://www.jp.playstation.com/scej/title/jyudai/
Opened on the 3rd of October and updated on the 8th and 9th of the same month and never again. Hey, doesn't this sound familiar?
- Lineup ends here
Oh. Must be a fuckload of coincidences. Apes are smarter than that.
List of PS3 SCE-published games
So they basically release all their games at either 5000 or 6000Y for two years and then...bam!:
Resistance 2 - 6980Y
White Knight Chronicles - 6980Y
Just a coincidence? Lets see upcoming games:
Demon's Souls - 6980Y
Killzone 2 - 6980Y
And Killzone 2 is their Golden Week game showing once again their perfectly reasonable planning capabilities.
Must be that their own japanese studios are too busy releasing games on the PSP. Lets see their following effort. Mmmm, its actually a Media.Vision game from Wild Arms fame. And its coming next Thursday.
http://www.jp.playstation.com/scej/title/enkaku/
How nice of them, they opened the website the 3rd of October and updated it ONCE on the 8th of October. And that's it.
The game will be released next week, it was rated by Famitsu and another magazine. The amount of hype of the japanese must be piercing heaven and hell by now.
Must be a coincidence. There must be a truckload of support coming after this little carried-away black sheep. Let's see their lineup:
- Resistance Retribution, nice, I'm sure the japanese will like the texture-swapped Syphon Filter gameplay. Oh wait, they didn't release a single Syphon Filter PSP game in Japan.
- Minna no Golf Portable 2 The Best! re-release, fucking giant effort I tell you.
- Ape Quest, oh my, isn't this downloadable since a year ago? Yes, it is.
- Juusei to Diamond. Nice, a new IP from SCEJ themselves. Let's have a look at the website:
http://www.jp.playstation.com/scej/title/jyudai/
Opened on the 3rd of October and updated on the 8th and 9th of the same month and never again. Hey, doesn't this sound familiar?
- Lineup ends here
Oh. Must be a fuckload of coincidences. Apes are smarter than that.
Captain Smoker
Member
All-Time Top15 Publisher in Japan - Update (I've added 329 games since the last breakdown).
Total number of games: 5.504
Total number of units: 846.049.276
Average: 153.715
Number of games / Publisher / Units total / Average / Total market share / Growth of market share since last breakdown
For Comparison the last update: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14057666&postcount=230
Total number of games: 5.504
Total number of units: 846.049.276
Average: 153.715
Number of games / Publisher / Units total / Average / Total market share / Growth of market share since last breakdown
Code:
410x Nintendo 274.212.808 668.812 32,41% (- 0,11%)
558x Konami 65.438.856 117.274 7,74% (- 0,02%)
98x Square 52.938.078 540.185 6,26% (- 0,11%)
276x Capcom 50.030.599 181.270 5,91% (-------)
276x SCE 47.282.788 171.315 5,59% (- 0,01%)
283x Bandai 37.708.562 133.246 4,46% (- 0,06%)
328x Sega 35.338.271 107.739 4,18% (- 0,03%)
51x Enix 35.190.764 690.015 4,16% (- 0,06%)
157x Namco 31.566.291 201.059 3,73% (- 0,05%)
118x Square Enix 30.425.417 257.843 3,60% (+ 0,07%)
192x Bandai Namco 20.273.318 105.590 2,40% (+ 0,15%)
122x Hudson 17.835.514 146.193 2,11% (+ 0,02%)
185x Koei 17.712.240 95.741 2,09% (-------)
128x Banpresto 17.592.588 137.442 2,08% (- 0,02%)
75x Atlus 6.128.022 81.707 0,72% (+ 0,01%)For Comparison the last update: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=14057666&postcount=230
JoshuaJSlone
Member
A bit of a tangent. I know Killzone 2 is a much bigger deal than the original, but I wondered how the earlier games in the series did in Japan. It seems that the PSP one wasn't released there at all. GameFAQs says Sega released the PS2 one in late 2005, but it apparently didn't make the weekly Top 30 or yearly Top 500 lists.Kurosaki Ichigo said:
Kurosaki Ichigo
Member
Yeah, it was Sega. SCEJ just likes to treat these kind of games coming from SCEA or SCEE like this, doesn't fit their image or such excuses. Similar cases to Sega Killzone would be Capcom picking God of War up or Spike picked the first Syphon Filter up (no others have made it I think).JoshuaJSlone said:
SCEE case is way worse imo, Formula 1/Wipeout made it sometimes but stuff like Eye Toy, Singstar or Buzz is just a no go, and that was humongous in Europe. Puzzling.
I guess they see their image totally toast by now so there's no shame picking up western FPS. Or just trying to hide how abysmal their japanese output has turned into.
Mr. Pointy
Member
Hell, Alfa Systems should probably do the PSP main Tales. They did Tales of Innocence, and that wasn't so bad.Hcoregamer00 said:
FINALFANTASYDOG
Member
Kurosaki Ichigo said:
This is still a 1,000 yen cheaper then every other HD game for this generation though, these games are actually budget priced when you compare them to square-enix's x-box 360 games(not that it matters as they all price collapse within a month)
schuelma said:
Yes, third parties are "getting-it" better than SCE right now
On an unrelated note I'm still convinced that at least one of these games: Metal Gear Solid Portable, Devil May Cry Portable, Monster Hunter or Gran Turismo Portable are going to be announced and released this year.
Portable Ops 2 or DMC
being the more likely candidates°°ToMmY°° said:
Agreed. An Outbreak psp should be a no-brainer.
SCE should do whatever it takes to get a simultaneous release or a minimal delayed release at least. They could have a killer Christmas with Kingdom Hearts, Gran Turismo and Monster Hunter. Now they only (supposedly) have Kingdom Hearts
Remember what Kutaragi said in 2004: "People who want to play with Pikachu will need Nintendo's new-style DS machine but those who want to play our racing game Gran Turismo 4 will need a PSP, right?"
Yes, fuck you too Kutaragi
I'm sorry, I'm just bitter
jarrod said:
Yes, I'm implying they should talk (throw money or something) to Capcom.
Monster Hunter has done a lot for PSP but now I think Monster Hunter also needs psp (or a console with a similar gaming experience). We know Ad-hoc gaming (psp) for MH is huge but online gaming (wii) is not proven yet.
Link said:
Yeah, I feel your pain
Spiegel said:
Everyone knows MH3 PSP will come out, but I don't see how it is a benefit to Capcom to release them both at the same time when they could get the maximum results from MH3 Wii and then release the PSP version 6 months later or whatever. What possible benefit is there to Capcom in that scenario?
schuelma said:
This is Capcom. They supported Dc/Gc and announced the ps2 version of Resident Evil months before the Gc version was released.
But that wasn't my point, I'm just saying SCE should have something big this year if they want to continue doing fine with psp in Japan. It's just that at this point it seems like they don't care.
RpgN
Junior Member
Hcoregamer00 said:
I can't see how it got larger budget. They're using the same engine (which they made it the first time with ToW1), they're re-using many of the monsters and all the characters that appeared in ToW1 (right down with the animation), it looks like the battle mechanism is unchanged with 2 small new things added, even the dungeons look very similar. The camp menu looks totally different and they added more characters. And there's this new ship to navigate and a very slight update with the presentation. The budget looks smaller or maybe the same where they spended more money on voice actors for the 50 Tales characters.
Captain Smoker
Member
Very cool, thx bttb.bttb said:
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
RpgN said:
Well, I am just reiterating what I read on other locations.
I will import it pretty soon and give full detailed impressions later.
With that said, when did you get tagged?
Oh yeah, Sony should definitely be talking to Capcom and doing everything the can to get the game on PSP as soon as possible. But any attempt to strongarm would undoubtedly blow up in their face... they need to seduce here.Spiegel said:
Also, the Wii version has local co-op too (2p splitscreen), though it's obviously not the same as PSP ad-hoc. Capcom is looking to MH3 to push the franchise in the west though, which is something Wii's base obviously gives a huge immediate advantage in, plus Nintendo's planning to help promote it as well, which given their current position is something Sony couldn't hope to match. And honestly, given the TGS response, I think the Wii launch may surprise in just Japan alone still...
The RE4 example gets used waaaaay too often. It was a special case, the game was on an already failed platform and management pretty much forced the PS2 version to be announced early to appease shareholders. It's basically the only time in Capcom's history we've seen that happen as well, they almost always wait to announce year (or less) later ports after the original release (SF2 PCE/MD, Slam Masters MD, RE SS, SFA3 DC/SS, CVX PS2, Genma Onimusha, auto modellista GC/Xbox, VJ1 PS2, MMBN5 DS, etc, etc).Spiegel said:
We'll undoubtedly see MHP3... in 2010, and announced a good 6-12 months after the Wii exclusive launch.
Well at least third parties are picking up the slack. Ryu Ga Gotoku 3, Shin Sangoku Musou Multi Raid, Gundam, and Street Fighter IV will probably be some of the biggest sellers of the month. With Kingdom Hearts DS delayed the top 10 third party sellers for the month will be pretty Sony dominate, with SO4 and maybe 1 or 2 DS releases like Shining Force Feather and Game Center CX joining in. Other than that it's just niche releases on all platforms, and Wii has no third party sellers for February at all (the best it has is a downgraded Dead Rising). Not to mention Tenchu 4 PSP will probably outsell the Wii version. February is so bad where Wii and third parties are concerned it's laughable. :lolKurosaki Ichigo said:
As for beyond that, with the way things are getting announced these days, especially for Japan, it's not like we know about everything coming out in Q2. PS3/PSP don't look like they'll have a bad Q1 in Japan at all and SCE could have a game or 2 tucked away for Q2, right? Now if you want to rant about this wait till the last minute to reveal your cards strategy I'm with you 100%. There's good and bad sides to it obviously, but sometimes there aren't even any cards to reveal and we don't find out until it's too late to say much.