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Media Create Sales: May 25-31, 2009
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Kurosaki Ichigo said:
Retailers? Isn't that the most important factor? If it sells well at retail, then they'll order more product. 18000 for a Marvelous game on the Wii, first day seems pretty good to me. You guys talk like Arc Rise Fantasia is some kind of big budget super hyped game. It's far from it. Again, I'm not saying it's not a good game, but good or not, this isn't even in the same league as Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Final Fantasy, or even the Tales games. As someone said, it is what it is and somehow I don't think Marvelous is too upset with the performance. I highly doubt they figured the game would be a runaway success.
I think it's interesting to note in this context that Cross Edge (which almost certainly cost less to make than ARF) sold 28k first week 9 months ago on PS3.kiruyama said:
Reading this makes me happy since the movie is awesome.duckroll said:The new movie was the top grossing non-Ghibli anime in like forever. The DVD release is the top selling DVD of last year. The blu-ray release just broke the blu-ray sales record in Japan. Etc.
JoshuaJSlone
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In case any of you are trying to use Garaph and things seem off, it's not you. Late last year my host moved the data from one server to another, but recently it keeps switching to showing the outdated version from the old server, so to the end user it will appear everything has regressed to the end of October 2008. Famitsu's latest #1 game is apparently Wii Music. Hopefully it all gets cleared up soon.
test_account
XP-39C²
Ah ok, like that, i understand. I just got curious, so i had to askJokeropia said:
Thanks for the answer charlequin
Banned
What we really need are two different terms here, because "performance relative to development costs" and "performance relative to retail expectations" are both important factors that are unrelated to one another but both contribute to a game's success.
ARF is performing at retail expectations but almost certainly underperforming relative to dev costs. The likely results are that Image Epoch games won't lose out on whatever retail space they do get, the publisher isn't likely to run into trouble for themselves, but potentially Image Epoch's relationship with their publisher is going to get strained.
(Other games do the opposite, though I can't think of a great example off the top of my head.)
The reason people are "happy" to see a game like ARF meet retail expectations is that that's all it really has a chance to do. The fact that it would bomb relative to dev costs was basically preordained, and if we'd had access to shipment numbers when they were finalized we already would have known that. Selling well enough to maybe score a second order at retail is the upper bound of the success the game has ever had the potential for.
ARF is performing at retail expectations but almost certainly underperforming relative to dev costs. The likely results are that Image Epoch games won't lose out on whatever retail space they do get, the publisher isn't likely to run into trouble for themselves, but potentially Image Epoch's relationship with their publisher is going to get strained.
(Other games do the opposite, though I can't think of a great example off the top of my head.)
The reason people are "happy" to see a game like ARF meet retail expectations is that that's all it really has a chance to do. The fact that it would bomb relative to dev costs was basically preordained, and if we'd had access to shipment numbers when they were finalized we already would have known that. Selling well enough to maybe score a second order at retail is the upper bound of the success the game has ever had the potential for.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Famitsu Software Stuff
Bleach: Heat the Soul 6 (3521) is still the top dog in the series after week two... but it's mostly notable for how closely it's mirroring the sales of Bleach: Heat the Soul 5 (2874), currently the best seller in the series.
Wii Monster Hunter G is no longer outselling the equivalent weeks from launch of its PS2 counterpart, but it has passed where the PS2 version was when it dropped out of the Top 30.
Animal Crossing: Wild World probably hit 5 million this week. Last week it sold 3.7K had had 1.5K left to go, but it missed making this week's Top 30.
This week #30 sold 3,162 units. This isn't a record low, but it's among the worst of recent times. There was one worse week last year, when the week of 2008-10-06 #30 sold 2,812. Before that we'd have to go back to 2005, where it was worse than this week seven times. Garaph doesn't currently list weekly data for systems earlier than PS2 and GBA, so it's possible that I'm missing counting some weeks where there was, say, a PS1 game hanging out in #30. But from what I do have, the lowest #30 appears to be 2,449 the week of 2004-05-10.
Thanks to overall low sales, we get more updates of some games which have been leggily trekking on unnoticed for a few months:
Metal Fight Beyblade has a low overall total, but I always find games which seem to sell at such a constant rate interesting.
Kirby Super Star Ultra Deluxe has gained about 50K since we last saw it in early March.
Momotarou Dentetsu 20th Anniversary has also gained about 50K, though in this case it's been working on it since February.
Though this one actually reappeared on the charts last week, this week Wii Sports passes 3.5 million.
At 4,041, Takt of Magic is the lowest first week we've seen for a Nintendo game on Wii--at least among those that actually made the Top 30 on opening week. Before this the low was Captain Rainbow's 6,361.
Bleach: Heat the Soul 6 (3521) is still the top dog in the series after week two... but it's mostly notable for how closely it's mirroring the sales of Bleach: Heat the Soul 5 (2874), currently the best seller in the series.
Wii Monster Hunter G is no longer outselling the equivalent weeks from launch of its PS2 counterpart, but it has passed where the PS2 version was when it dropped out of the Top 30.
Animal Crossing: Wild World probably hit 5 million this week. Last week it sold 3.7K had had 1.5K left to go, but it missed making this week's Top 30.
This week #30 sold 3,162 units. This isn't a record low, but it's among the worst of recent times. There was one worse week last year, when the week of 2008-10-06 #30 sold 2,812. Before that we'd have to go back to 2005, where it was worse than this week seven times. Garaph doesn't currently list weekly data for systems earlier than PS2 and GBA, so it's possible that I'm missing counting some weeks where there was, say, a PS1 game hanging out in #30. But from what I do have, the lowest #30 appears to be 2,449 the week of 2004-05-10.
Thanks to overall low sales, we get more updates of some games which have been leggily trekking on unnoticed for a few months:
Metal Fight Beyblade has a low overall total, but I always find games which seem to sell at such a constant rate interesting.
Kirby Super Star Ultra Deluxe has gained about 50K since we last saw it in early March.
Momotarou Dentetsu 20th Anniversary has also gained about 50K, though in this case it's been working on it since February.
Though this one actually reappeared on the charts last week, this week Wii Sports passes 3.5 million.
At 4,041, Takt of Magic is the lowest first week we've seen for a Nintendo game on Wii--at least among those that actually made the Top 30 on opening week. Before this the low was Captain Rainbow's 6,361.
Kurosaki Ichigo
Member
Holy crap, I even looked at their release lists to see if there was a chance for 360 to top PS3 again but....bttb said:
...none have a single release until 25th of June. PS3 sub 5k incoming?:lol
edit: I don't think looking at their release dates would mean anything so fixed
Not that it makes a difference in the big picture, but MC numbers have been a bit higher for Wii and PS3 the last 3-4 weeks. So PS3 might be above 10K when we get those numbers tomorrow night!
Seriously though, another horrible horrible week. Things should start picking up soon-WSR, DQ 9, MH Tri are all coming out in the next 7-8 weeks.
Seriously though, another horrible horrible week. Things should start picking up soon-WSR, DQ 9, MH Tri are all coming out in the next 7-8 weeks.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
WarioWare really is a bomb. Tracking far behind every other series installment both in absolute numbers and relative legginess. Cow milked dry OR released at a bad time--you decide.
It's not quite as bad if you look in percentages; GS4 did 24% of its first week during week two, GK did 17% of its first week during week two. So it is a relative drop (more frontloaded / weaker legs / whatever description you want to use) but not a tumble compared to GS4.
On the other hand, Kingdom Hearts:
KH1: 25% of week one
KH:CoM: 23% of week one
KH2: 24% of week one
(KH2 FM+: 21% of week one--but I don't think we should necessary use this and I haven't included KH1 FM or any budget rereleases)
KH 358/2: 32% of week one!
schuelma said:
It's not quite as bad if you look in percentages; GS4 did 24% of its first week during week two, GK did 17% of its first week during week two. So it is a relative drop (more frontloaded / weaker legs / whatever description you want to use) but not a tumble compared to GS4.
On the other hand, Kingdom Hearts:
KH1: 25% of week one
KH:CoM: 23% of week one
KH2: 24% of week one
(KH2 FM+: 21% of week one--but I don't think we should necessary use this and I haven't included KH1 FM or any budget rereleases)
KH 358/2: 32% of week one!
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Spiegel said:
schuelma said:
Kurosaki Ichigo said:
That's a pretty logical explanation!
Kurosaki Ichigo
Member
Yeah, ehm, uhm...holy crap look at Nishimura Kyotaro, it sold whole 100 copies in 3 days after 1200 the first one and it shipped 12000!
schuelma said:
Which would put it at 78% sell-through. That's also assuming no additional shipments over the weekend. However, the percentages are less useful when the absolute shipment number was so low to begin with. This will probably be one of those "invisible" games that Vinnk has talked about. If you don't look for this stuff online or visit a store in just the right 2-3 week period, you'll never know it even existed. :/
doicare said:
Because the preorder numbers are low, right?
JoshuaJSlone
Member
It's not like this is just another WarioWare game, though. People just might not care as much about creating their own microgames, and limiting interaction to make things DS/Wii cross-compatible is a step back from Touched! if you just want to play the pre-made stuff.Stumpokapow said:
test_account
XP-39C²
Does anyone think that the hardware sale for the PSP and the Wii will drop in the upcomming weeks not that a black Wii and PSP Go has been announced? That people will wait to buy a Wii and/or a PSP until the black Wii and PSP Go comes out for sale.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
JoshuaJSlone said:
"It's a bomb because it's a less interesting product [to consumers at large]" is sort of obvious, though. One can say that about just about any sequel. It didn't sell as well as predecessor(s) because the gameplay was changed in some way that made it less appealing.
Here's the hard part, though--determining whether the gameplay changes will make it less appealing BEFORE it releases. If lack of content is hurting the game, they probably should have added more content.
test_account
XP-39C²
Ah yes, that is true. When does the black Wii comes out for sale again, 1st of August?schuelma said:
BishopLamont
Banned
Pretty weird, I thought this Wario would have sold the best.
Yes, same date as MH3. It's still a pretty long wait, people aren't going stop buying Wiis in any significant number 2 months before it comes out.test_account said:
test_account
XP-39C²
Ok, thanks for the infoBishopLamont said:
doicare said:Only 2 and a half weeks to go and then everybody can see for themselves
These are titles that sell by word of mouth. One plays it, shows it to friend, friend likes it and goes out to buy a Wii. This has already happened with Wiisports but I'm sure there are lots of people out there who didn't get to experience Wiisports. Wiisports resort is a much more attractive package and can win over many new consumers. This is not the type of software that people go out and pre order. It will most definitely cause a bump, a very long bump.
test_account
XP-39C²
I didnt see your edit earlier, so i reply in a new post hereBishopLamont said:
I guess that depends on how many people who wants a black Wii instead of a white Wii. I have no idea how the demand is for a black Wii.I guess it depends on how "significant number" is defined. The Wii hardware sales (and hardware sales in general) are also kinda low right now, so i guess a drop in hardware sales wouldnt really be that big, i agree, but maybe it could have gotten the Wii sales down to under 10k a week?
But since Wii Sports Resort is out in 3 weeks, i guess that we wont see the Wii hardware sales under 10k anytime soon
charlequin
Banned
schuelma said:
Well, it's certainly not going to do GS4 numbers. I dunno: are we thinking about this as a spinoff (in which case it's pretty clearly doing very well), a stealth main series entry (in which case it's underperforming somewhat), or a test to see whether people want them to ditch the GS4 cast (in which case I have no fucking clue how to read it :lol)?
farnham said:
Yeah, not completely terrible given the circumstances.
Vinci said:
That doesn't matter though. I've bought games and barely played them but that counts as a sale. If they buy the Black Wii + Monster Hunter they either are willing to pay a premium for a Wii because of color or more likely they will buy it because Monster Hunter at least interests them somewhat and they'll at least try it out in addition to getting the Black Wii.
With the way the world is right now most people wouldn't pay an extra $60? dollars for a system, regardless of color, if they weren't interested in the game.