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Media Create Sales: November 22-28

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Despera

Banned
Augemitbutter said:
amazing for PSP and GT5.

not so good for Trinity: Souls of Zill O’ll. is the game any good?
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I'd like to know more too. Famitsu score is 9, 8, 8, 7, but I don't take that magazine seriously.
 
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ollin

Member
BladeoftheImmortal said:
Donkey Kong, right? PS3 has a tales game (port) and not much else besides GT5 as the big gun I believe.
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Gundam Musou 3, probably won't sell more than 200K though.
 
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gogogow

Member
Kurosaki Ichigo said:
*shrugs* Guess you can't say omg bombed similar to FFXIII but its still a good decline. I could say latest low and mid tier PS3 software doing great led me to believe high tier could also be improving but doesn't seem to be the case yet. In examples, the likes of old traditional million sellers like Mingol, GT, Musou, WE, FF won't reach PS2 heights on PS3 just yet...but lower tiers do have a chance, it'll be interesting to see if Tales of Xillia takes it back to 500k-territory.
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Which low/mid tier PS3 games are selling better than back in the PS2 days?
I only remember DMC4 which sold 30k more than DMC3 and RE5, 80k more than RE4.
Maybe there are more, but they are few and far between.
Since console gaming is in decline in Japan, it's much easier to underperform when the previous game did a million on the PS2, cause let's be honest, how many million sellers are there on the PS3? One and it takes a 2 million seller from the PS2 era to do that.

Looking at GT5, it will probably do MGS4 numbers in the end or slightly better depending on it's legs, maybe closer to 800k.
 
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Kenka

Member
My bad.

200k would be a fantastic performance. It would shorten the current 270k gap by a good 100k. But the final four weeks of the year might prove to be not enough to surpass the DS LTD.

Last year, DS did around 110k, 140k, 190k and 220k during December. I agree that it is one year older and that those numbers could be down YoY in a prudent forecast but it still would require PSP to frankly lift up its past year sales to take the crown.

Unlikely.
 
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BladeoftheImmortal

Member
Kenka said:
My bad.

200k would be a fantastic performance. It would shorten the current 270k gap by a good 100k. But the final four weeks of the year might prove to be not enough to surpass the DS LTD.

Last year, DS did around 110k, 140k, 190k and 220k during December. I agree that it is one year older and that those numbers could be down YoY in a prudent forecast but it still would require PSP to frankly lift up its past year sales to take the crown.

Unlikely.
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That's what a system seller is supposed to do.
 
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jeremy1456

Junior Member
Kenka said:
My bad.

200k would be a fantastic performance. It would shorten the current 270k gap by a good 100k. But the final four weeks of the year might prove to be not enough to surpass the DS LTD.
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You might want to edit that and replace 'LTD' with 'YTD.'

Unless you really think the PSP will sell 15+ million in the next four weeks ;)
 
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Kenka

Member
jeremy1456 said:
You might want to edit that and replace 'LTD' with 'YTD.'

Unless you really think the PSP will sell 15+ million in the next four weeks ;)
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Hey you nastily underlined my
second
mistake
in this thread
. Of course I meant YTD :)
 
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bobbytkc

ADD New Gen Gamer
jakncoke said:
It'll be interesting to see what kind of legs GT5 shows
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Probably less than the rest of the series. The install base of the PS3 is much smaller, and the situation in Japan isn't helping.
 
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jeremy1456

Junior Member
Kenka said:
I think Sony did indeed catch ground on Nintendo but overall, the situation is balanced. And with the 3DS incoming, I think momentum will shift in Nintendo's favour again.
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To be honest I think the DS has just oversaturated.

I mean, it sold 10 million more than the PS2 and continues to sell pretty darn well even without taking into account that it has been out for so many years and a successor is just on the horizon.
 
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Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
Next week releases {09/12/10}

[NDS] Ni no Kuni: The Ebony Wizard (Level 5)
[NDS] Shiren the Wanderer 5: Fortune Tower and the Dice of Fate (Chunsoft)
[NDS] Let's Take the A-Train DS: Navigation Pack (Artdink)
[NDS] Bakugan Battle Brawlers DS: Defenders of the Core (Activision)
[NDS] Akogare Girls Collection: Mr. Donut DS (Columbia Music Entertainment)
[NDS] Uchi no San Shimai no Karaoke Utagassen & Party Game (Culture Brain)
[NDS] Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow [Best Selection] (Konami)
[NDS] Mystical Ninja: Toukai Douchuu Ooedo Tenguri-Kaeshi no Maki [Best Selection] (Konami)

[PSP] Pastel Chime Continue (5pb.)
[PSP] Boku wa Koukuu Kanseikan: Airport Hero Kankuu (Sonic Powered)
[PSP] Valkyria Chronicles II [Sega the Best] (Sega)
[PSP] Grand Theft Auto: Chinatown Wars [Best Hit Selection] (CyberFront)
[PSP] PC Engine Best Collections: Far East of Eden [Best Collection] (Hudson)
[PSP] Linebarrels of Iron [Hudson the Best] (Hudson)

[WII] Donkey Kong Country Returns (Nintendo)
[WII] Karaoke Joysound Wii Super DX: Hitori de Minna de Utai Houdai! (Hudson)
[WII] Family Party: Fitness Fun (Bandai Namco)
[WII] Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit (Electronic Arts)

[PS3] Assassin’s Creed: Brotherhood (Ubisoft)
[PS3] High Velocity Bowling (SCE)
[PS3] Ape Escape: Fury! Fury! (SCE)
[PS3] TV SuperStars (SCE)
[PS3] Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit (Electronic Arts)
[PS3] Resonance of Fate [Sega the Best] (Sega)

[360] Assassin’s Creed: Brotherhood (Ubisoft)
[360] Your Shape: Fitness Evolved (Ubisoft)
[360] Kinect Animals (Microsoft Game Studios)
[360] Borderlands: Game of the Year Edition (Take-Two Interactive)
[360] Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit (Electronic Arts)
[360] Resonance of Fate [Platinum Collection] (Sega)

[PS2] Armen Noir (Idea Factory)

Mystery Room joined Q1 2011.
 
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linsivvi

Member
PistolGrip said:
Notice that GT3 had similar numbers to GT5 and was the best selling GT in Japan. I would say yes after PS3 price drop and GT5 goes to greatest hits status
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Chris1964 said:
Media Create
{27/12/04 - 20/02/05} 0014. [PS2] Gran Turismo 4 (SCE) {28/12/04} - 634.769 / 956.720

Famitsu
{22/12/97 - 14/02/10} 0006. [PS1] Gran Turismo (SCE) {23/12/97} - 648.650 / 2.186.375
{06/12/99 - 31/12/00} 0010. [PS1] Gran Turismo 2 (SCE) {11/12/99} - 748.581 / 1.460.687
{23/04/01 - 12/07/09} 0006. [PS2] Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (SCE) {28/04/01} - 468.391 / 1.438.743
{27/12/04 - 12/07/09} 0012. [PS2] Gran Turismo 4 (SCE) {28/12/04} - 663.543 / 1.066.749
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????
 
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Kenka

Member
BladeoftheImmortal said:
That's what a system seller is supposed to do.
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Let's discuss the context :

PSP's last 4 weeks in 2009 :

71.292
74.962
82.454
109.993

DS' last 4 weeks in 2009 :

113.793
137.566
183.347
213.109


Last week this year, DS sales were at 111.532. The DS sales at 56.457 this week mark a 50% decrease. PSP is up 81% given the fact that it sold 42.648 this week last year.

If we scale the sales with this rudimentary knowledge, we obtain sales around :

57'000
68'000
91'000
106'000

for DS, and :

270'000 (based on Chris' prediction)
133'000
147'000
200'000

for PSP for the four remaining weeks of 2010.

This is a worst case scenario I should say that doesn't take in account any trend or sales of the past. In this precise very advantageous case for the PSP, sales crown goes indeed to it for a 150k margin YTD. But these numbers, as I said, are unlikely and I think you would agree.
 
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gundamkyoukai

Member
GT 5 numbers are not bad and from what we know people hardly knew it was even out .
I see it getting to a million maybe in a year and best hit release .

Next week going to be MH3 with it's crazy numbers .
PS3 and PSP sales were also good.
 
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charlequin

Banned
Kurosaki Ichigo said:
*shrugs* Guess you can't say omg bombed similar to FFXIII but its still a good decline. I could say latest low and mid tier PS3 software doing great led me to believe high tier could also be improving but doesn't seem to be the case yet.
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My position would probably be that PS3 software as a category has improved its performance dramatically (which is why we've seen so many low and mid-tier success stories) but that independently of that, almost every top-tier franchise we've seen on the system has been undergoing its own franchise decline. FF has been on a downward path regardless of the PS3, and I expect GT5 would've underperformed in 2010 regardless of the PS3's specific sales history to date.

faridmon said:
I thought the ninokoni of DS and PS3 are coming at the same week :/
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That would've been a very poor choice. :lol
 
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Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
faridmon said:
what..... massive book?
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This 352 pages book.
2zh3ay1.jpg
 
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Oxx

Member
The big-ass book is just one factor in Ni No Kuni's localisation issues.

Surely they've simply missed the boat on the DS in the west. The DS will live on after the 3DS has launched, but Level 5 are only just getting around to releasing the first Inazuma Eleven game in Europe.
 
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Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
PS3 games with > 200k opening

{14/12/09 - 10/01/10} 0001. [PS3] Final Fantasy XIII (Square Enix) {17/12/09} - 1.501.964 / 1.843.844 / 81,46%
{09/06/08 - 03/01/10} 0002. [PS3] Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (Konami) {12/06/08} - 464.926 / 714.245 / 65,09%
{22/11/10 - 28/11/10} 0009. [PS3] Gran Turismo 5 (SCE) {25/11/10} - 430.707 / 430.707 / 100,00%
{22/03/10 - 18/04/10} 0005. [PS3] Fist of the North Star: Ken's Rage (Koei) {25/03/10} - 385.295 / 510.052 / 75,54%
{15/03/10 - 18/04/10} 0003. [PS3] Yakuza 4 (Sega) {18/03/10} - 383.972 / 529.977 / 72,45%
{23/02/09 - 03/01/10} 0004. [PS3] Yakuza 3 (Sega) {26/02/09} - 372.301 / 516.250 / 72,12%
{02/03/09 - 03/01/10} 0006. [PS3] Resident Evil 5 (Capcom) {05/03/09} - 319.590 / 493.536 / 64,76%
{26/07/10 - 12/09/10} 0012. [PS3] Sengoku Basara 3 (Capcom) {29/07/10} - 242.698 / 371.780 / 65,28%
{16/08/10 - 05/09/10} 0023. [PS3] Another Century's Episode R (Bandai Namco) {19/08/10} - 219.849 / 257.083 / 85,52%
{02/11/09 - 03/01/10} 0011. [PS3] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2010 (Konami) {05/11/09} - 217.848 / 387.940 / 56,16%
{14/09/09 - 03/01/10} 0014. [PS3] Tales of Vesperia (Bandai Namco) {17/09/09} - 216.593 / 343.464 / 63,06%
{25/10/10 - 28/11/10} 0015. [PS3] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2011 (Konami) {28/10/10} - 215.227 / 340.175 / 63,27%
{22/12/08 - 03/01/10} 0016. [PS3] White Knight Chronicles (SCE) {25/12/08} - 206.954 / 338.161 / 61,20%
{28/01/08 - 03/01/10} 0018. [PS3] Devil May Cry 4 (Capcom) {31/01/08} - 205.390 / 320.595 / 64,07%
 
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Totobeni

An blind dancing ho
well not big surprise , I think the entire sim racing genre is in decline in Japan ( well everywhere not just in Japan I guess ),so overall these GT5 numbers are good.
 
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Kurosaki Ichigo

Member
gogogow said:
Which low/mid tier PS3 games are selling better than back in the PS2 days?
I only remember DMC4 which sold 30k more than DMC3 and RE5, 80k more than RE4.
Maybe there are more, but they are few and far between.
Since console gaming is in decline in Japan, it's much easier to underperform when the previous game did a million on the PS2, cause let's be honest, how many million sellers are there on the PS3? One and it takes a 2 million seller from the PS2 era to do that.

Looking at GT5, it will probably do MGS4 numbers in the end or slightly better depending on it's legs, maybe closer to 800k.
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Didn't say more, I said doing great/reaching PS2 heights. Examples go from DMC4, RE5 to Basara, ACE:R, Yakuza, MGS, latest Gundam, Macross, Ar Tonelico, Atelier...unlike PS3 first years where everything seemed poised to post declines no matter their size, right now your average low-mid title actually has a good chance to do similar numbers as those you'd have had/expected to have on the PS2.

charlequin said:
My position would probably be that PS3 software as a category has improved its performance dramatically (which is why we've seen so many low and mid-tier success stories) but that independently of that, almost every top-tier franchise we've seen on the system has been undergoing its own franchise decline. FF has been on a downward path regardless of the PS3, and I expect GT5 would've underperformed in 2010 regardless of the PS3's specific sales history to date.
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Yeah, there's little top-tier stuff anyway, we can't prove it on a regular basis (for example right now any top-tier PS3 games seem far away other than SS Musou 6 which got turned into mid-tier last time). So while I'd agree that PS3 is probably a healthier platform than before for top-tier stuff, there's still no proof since that type has been scarce and prone to diminishing popularity. To the naked eye, PS3 still has to prove itself to be able to host top-tier stuff in PS2 fashion.
 
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Kurosaki Ichigo

Member
Congratulations to duckroll twice for winning the rankings by units and by points!
Code: 
Results	By Units			By Points	
1	 42000	duckroll		 38,55%	duckroll
2	 46999	Chris1964		 41,23%	The_lascar
3	 58000	Road			 55,72%	Chris1964
4	123000	u_neek			 71,89%	Road
5	138000	ULTROS!			 76,76%	ULTROS!
6	155000	The_lascar		 77,07%	Kurosaki Ichigo
7	178000	onken			 81,80%	u_neek
8	194000	Spiegel			 96,97%	BladeoftheImmortal
9	207000	Kenka			106,38%	Kenka
10	218000	Kurosaki Ichigo		117,67%	Spiegel
11	229000	BladeoftheImmortal	129,74%	onken

11/22-11/28	Sales	Chris	Spieg	onken	duckr	Road	u_nee	The_l	ULTRO	Kuro	Kenka	Blade
NDS SRW L	129000	123456	63000	105000	156000	111111	135000	130000	90000	115000	98000	168000
NDS PPYP13	25000	34567	22000	40000	28000	33333	30000	25000	30000	25000	21000	24000
WII Mario Sports85000	78901	58000	65000	82000	66666	52000	80000	90000	65000	57000	65000
PS3 GT5		431000	456789	529000	550000	440000	444444	510000	580000	520000	615000	575000	600000

Difference	0	46999	194000	178000	42000	58000	123000	155000	138000	218000	207000	229000										
Difference (%)	0,00%	55,72%	117,67%	129,74%	38,55%	71,89%	81,80%	41,23%	76,76%	77,07%	106,38%	96,97%
												
NDS SRW L	0	-5544	-66000	-24000	27000	-17889	6000	1000	-39000	-14000	-31000	39000
NDS PPYP13	0	9567	-3000	15000	3000	8333	5000	0	5000	0	-4000	-1000
WII Mario Sports0	-6099	-27000	-20000	-3000	-18334	-33000	-5000	5000	-20000	-28000	-20000
PS3 GT5		0	25789	98000	119000	9000	13444	79000	149000	89000	184000	144000	169000
Past Predictions Results:
11/08-11/14 Predictions Results
10/25-10/31 Predictions Results
10/18-10/24 Predictions Results
 
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Kenka

Member
Nooooo, I did piss poor :-(

Too bad that MHP3 won't be able to break Poké's first week record. It would have been a beautiful king. I mean those queues are phenomenal. Imagine if Tokyo had the same weather as Europe. I bet my ass they would still be there.
 
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duckroll

Member
Yay, I guess I did okay. Overshot SRW L though. I was expecting an decent increase over the last game because of the inclusion of the Macross Frontier, but I guess there's a limit to how much more MacF stuff people want in games. Probably would have done much better if Banpresto wasn't so cheap and actually put voice into the DS SRWs, but still it's an increase over the previous title.
 
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duckroll

Member
White Knight Chronicles Dogma Wars isn't the only new challenger in Feb, Tales of the World Radiant Mythology 3 has an announced release date of 10th Feb now. More Feb/Mar challengers are getting announced now. Should be pretty crowded by the time 2011 actually comes around.
 
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Bebpo

Banned
iconoclast said:
I hope Dodonpachi DFK didn't do too poorly. Looks like it had a worse opening than Espgaluda 2. :(
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I really wouldn't be surprised if the iphone version killed their sales. You already have a very small audience, and then you give them a $10 version for months and later try to sell them a better version for $75. The hardcore shmup players in that audience will bite, but I'm willing to bet the casual shmup fans are happy with the iphone version and passed on it.

There's nothing wrong with Cave doing iphone ports, but if they're smart they will do them AFTER the more expensive console version and not months before.
 
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Jonnyram

Member
neutralgamer02 said:
Why isn't there a psn version of mhp3? What is the point of the psp go?
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Because Capcom can't afford to piss retailers off right now, I guess. It's the same with the spin-off game too. It took ages for MHP2G to come out on PSN :/ Meanwhile, Namco has released God Eater Burst on PSN, Square Enix has released Lord of Arcana, and Sega is gonna release PSO2 Infinity. Not forgetting the fact that their retail shipment sold out within 2 hours. Capcom made a big mistake with this one. That said, the PSN servers would never have been able to meet demand.
 
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cvxfreak

Member
Jonnyram said:
Because Capcom can't afford to piss retailers off right now, I guess. It's the same with the spin-off game too. It took ages for MHP2G to come out on PSN :/ Meanwhile, Namco has released God Eater Burst on PSN, Square Enix has released Lord of Arcana, and Sega is gonna release PSO2 Infinity. Not forgetting the fact that their retail shipment sold out within 2 hours. Capcom made a big mistake with this one. That said, the PSN servers would never have been able to meet demand.
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I have to play devil's advocate here for a little bit. Why would Capcom want to give up the free PR that comes with huge line ups and sold out posters in shops, which creates a chain reaction and builds up even more demand, just for a PSN release to satisfy a bunch of suckers
PSP Go owners :(
?

They really wouldn't want to in this case. When Peace Walker came out, Konami was very in-your-face about it on their own accord, so they could have afforded the digital release. Capcom threw a countdown in Shibuya and let the fans do the work for them. :p
 
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duckroll

Member
I think for Peace Walker, Konami sorta had to do it because they announced it at E3 in support of the PSP Go when that was announced. There was probably an understanding from that point on that if the game was not playable on the PSP Go, there would be some serious questions asked about Konami's perception to the public.
 
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Jonnyram

Member
cvxfreak said:
I have to play devil's advocate here for a little bit. Why would Capcom want to give up the free PR that comes with huge line ups and sold out posters in shops, which creates a chain reaction and builds up even more demand, just for a PSN release to satisfy a bunch of suckers
PSP Go owners :(
?
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You're actually just trolling the PSP Go rather than playing devil's advocate. Digital downloads via PSN existed way before the PSP Go came out. The biggest failing of the PSP Go was in its pricing.

If the PSN release would only satisfy a bunch of suckers, how would the lines be affected anyway?
 
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