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[KuwabaraTheMan]

Absolutely great numbers for Pokemon. The race to six million is on.

20. / 18. [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo) - 5.347 / 3.931.548 (-3%)

You've given an extra million sales to Mario Kart.

 

[onken]

Congratulations to Chris1964 in the ranking by units and onken in the ranking by points.

Yeah you know I always liked the point system best.

 

[BishopLamont]

Celine, PS3 could have competed with its launch software and the strong support it received in its first two years. Had its launch not been as bungled, there needn't have been the situation we saw where Wii Sports alone had outsold every single piece of PS3 software combined.


I see this argument made all the time, but I don't think it holds. Yes, the handheld market has grown substantially at the expense of the console market, but I don't think they should be seen as competing directly because things like budgets, values and the types of games available all tend to differ. One pie got bigger and the other got smaller, but (to stretch the analogy further) once the pies are baked (i.e. when customers decide which segment they're in), they can be treated as distinct.

In that respect, I must reiterate that the PS3 is punching well above its weight. In previous generations, sales would be humming along at post-peak numbers with the non-leading consoles trailing well behind in a YTD comparison.

So basically you agree with me (and yourself) ...but you don't.

Someone bring back the lowered expectations gif.

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

So basically you agree with me (and yourself) ...but you don't.

Someone bring back the lowered expectations gif.

We're saying the same thing but framing it in different ways, yeah.

 

[ReyBrujo]

Dang, I had forgotten D&P had sold over 100k units per week for almost 4 months... those were the old days.

 

[charlequin]

He was in a "why were you banned" thread on the OT recently explaining that we should enjoy our "victory" for now!

Fixed that for you.

Yes, the handheld market has grown substantially at the expense of the console market, but I don't think they should be seen as competing directly because things like budgets, values and the types of games available all tend to differ.

That's true of the PS3 vs. the Wii too but no one would suggest they weren't competing.

No, PS3 and Wii are competing strenuously for third place right now.

 

[Mashing]

Goddamn... pokemon, that's... goddamn.

 

[Ashes]

In the case of a massive ds title like pokemon, I think publishers would possibly try to avoid launching their own big games on the same day, if possible, even if it is on consoles like wii or ps3. So they are competing on some level.

 

[jman2050]

We're like four to six years into this generation. Nothing should be selling that much. The PS3 is doing market leader numbers right now. That's nothing to sneeze at.

No, the DS is doing market leader numbers right now.

Everything else is just lagging behind in relative obscurity.

 

[Regulus Tera]

We're like four to six years into this generation. Nothing should be selling that much. The PS3 is doing market leader numbers right now. That's nothing to sneeze at.

No it isn't.

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

Fixed that for you.



That's true of the PS3 vs. the Wii too but no one would suggest they weren't competing.

No, PS3 and Wii are competing strenuously for third place right now.

PS3 and Wii have a lot more in common with one another in terms of usage patterns and purpose than either do to the handhelds.

An iMac competes more directly with the PC than it does to the iBook.

 

[FINALFANTASYDOG]

This was at the beginning of the gen, coming at a time just after the greatest JRPG generation

Off topic, where does this opinion come from?

Every historical commentary I've read points to the hey-day of the genre as being the super famicom period, With the advent of 3D it just couldn't keep up(not my words, generally seems to be considered common knowledge in Japanese-language game commentary).

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Also really I'm with vicious I find it difficult to see what Microsoft could have possibly done differently(besides maybe helping square polish their games) without spending gobs of money to gain more traction.

 

[jman2050]

PS3 and Wii have a lot more in common with one another in terms of usage patterns and purpose than either do to the handhelds.

An iMac competes more directly with the PC than it does to the iBook.

You're not actually disputing the fact that the DS is the market leader and selling as such.

 

[EXGN]

2.55 mil, is that a new record for fastest selling game?

 

[Lonely1]

Metroid franchise should go after the Moe market after this.

 

[BladeoftheImmortal]

2.55 mil, is that a new record for fastest selling game?

techincally it's two games, right. so no, FFVIII still has the title for number 1 debut for one game. If we are counting these two as one game, then yes, it beats FFVIII's debut I believe.

 

[Pureauthor]

techincally it's two games, right. so no, FFVIII still has the title for number 1 debut for one game. If we are counting these two as one game, then yes, it beats FFVIII's debut I believe.

Media Create counts them as one game.

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

You're not actually disputing the fact that the DS is the market leader and selling as such.

No way. I'm disputing the notion that the handheld and home console market segments have merged, which is an assumption that everyone seems to be making. I maintain that they are as separate as they have ever been, but that thanks to changing lifestyle factors, new technology and new markets, one has shrunk while the other has grown.

I don't see why this is so difficult. It's like every time I make what I don’t think is a very controversial point (PS3 seeing remarkably robust sales in the face of having the smallest console userbase), a dozen people jump in and go lol ds is da market leeder.

Off topic, where does this opinion come from?

Every historical commentary I've read points to the hey-day of the genre as being the super famicom period, With the advent of 3D it just couldn't keep up(not my words, generally seems to be considered common knowledge in Japanese-language game commentary).

Maybe I'm confusing the western and Japanese markets with JRPG fan opinion. In truth, I didn't follow sales last gen. It should be beside the point anyway.

 

[cvxfreak]

The best selling Wii games are the ones you can't put on the DS.

The best selling PS3 game is FFXIII.

I still think there's a bit of a distinction.

 

[HK-47]

Well it's something Dragona I think enforces. Part of it was his own ban bet that's now part of his tag.

I dunno. I think he should be let back in when the new generation starts.

Free jimbo.

 

[BishopLamont]

No way. I'm disputing the notion that the handheld and home console market segments have merged, which is an assumption that everyone seems to be making. I maintain that they are as separate as they have ever been, but that thanks to changing lifestyle factors, new technology and new markets, one has shrunk while the other has grown.

I don't see why this is so difficult. It's like every time I make what I don’t think is a very controversial point (PS3 seeing remarkably robust sales in the face of having the smallest console userbase), a dozen people jump in and go lol ds is da market leeder.


Maybe I'm confusing the western and Japanese markets with JRPG fan opinion. In truth, I didn't follow sales last gen. It should be beside the point anyway.

"Robust sales despite having the smallest userbase" is a far cry from "market leader sales". I don't think people would jump on you had you said the former.

 

[viciouskillersquirrel]

"Robust sales despite having the smallest userbase" is a far cry from "market leader sales". I don't think people would jump on you had you said the former.

I did say sales the market leader should be getting at this stage of it's lifespan. Apparently this wasn't specific enough.

 

[BishopLamont]

I did say sales the market leader should be getting at this stage of it's lifespan. Apparently this wasn't specific enough.

In the same life time the PS2 already sold 12M and selling a good 30k+ each week. Hell to make it easier look at the Wii.

 

[LOVE & TRUTH]

08. / 00. [PSP] Blue Roses: Yousei to Aoi Hitomi no Senshitachi(Nippon Ichi Software) - 9.846 / NEW

There is no justice in this world.

 

[Pureauthor]

Does anyone have a list of how older Pokemon games sold with individual version numbers?

 

[Mockingbird]

Did Pokemon do better than DQ9 for first day sales?

 

[duckroll]

There is no justice in this world.

Flight Plan went out of business for a reason. This just shows that changing their the name and publisher doesn't change the fact that no one wants to buy their fucking games.

 

[apujanata]

Metroid franchise should go after the Moe market after this.

Haven't it (Metroid franchise) already go after Moe Market with Metroid: Other M?

Repeat : I hate "thumbs down" and "baby cry"

Enjoy this image of "thumbs down" :

 

[LOVE & TRUTH]

Flight Plan went out of business for a reason. This just shows that changing their the name and publisher doesn't change the fact that no one wants to buy their fucking games.

That's what I'm talking about! Why no one wants to buy Summon Night games is beyond me.

 

[Oxx]

Were you here for the start of the gen? The pacman charts? The jokes about Nintendomination? The all-Nintendo top 15?

Man, those were the days...

Even a record-breaking software launch can't compete with the weirdness and insanity of the DS take-off.

I hope the 3DS can bring some glory back to sales-age.

 

[BishopLamont]

Man, those were the days...

Even a record-breaking software launch can't compete with the weirdness and insanity of the DS take-off.

I hope the 3DS can bring some glory back to sales-age.

The DS shortages made it so used DS sales were kept to a bare minimum, a vicious, insurmountable cycle in hardware sales. I guess thats where the "artificial shortages" paranoia came from.

 

[AdventureRacing]

In the same life time the PS2 already sold 12M and selling a good 30k+ each week. Hell to make it easier look at the Wii.

He isn't talking about LTD sales. Someone posted weekly sales data from 2005 that showed the PS2 selling around what the PS3 is selling now.

All VKS is saying is that the PS3 is selling now what the market leader was selling at this point in the last generation.

He is saying that the PS3 is now selling the amount you would expect to see from a market leader towards the end of a generation.

He is not actually saying the the PS3 is the market leader, and it doesn't matter if the DS is selling a milion pieces of hardware a week his point still stands.

(of course i could be misreading what he is saying as well:lol ).

 

[catashtrophe]

what are the chances of the PS3 surpassing the 6 Million mark by end of the year?

Quite likely?

 

[Chris1964]

what are the chances of the PS3 surpassing the 6 Million mark by end of the year?

Quite likely?

With a miracle maybe.

EDIT: I thought 2 million this year. 6 million are very likely.

 

[BishopLamont]

He isn't talking about LTD sales. Someone posted weekly sales data from 2005 that showed the PS2 selling around what the PS3 is selling now.

All VKS is saying is that the PS3 is selling now what the market leader was selling at this point in the last generation.

He is saying that the PS3 is now selling the amount you would expect to see from a market leader towards the end of a generation.

He is not actually saying the the PS3 is the market leader, and it doesn't matter if the DS is selling a milion pieces of hardware a week his point still stands.

(of course i could be misreading what he is saying as well:lol ).

Why is the comparison between the PS2's fifth year and the PS3's 3 years and 10 months?

 

[Chris1964]

Next week releases (30/09/10)

[NDS] Okamiden (Capcom)
[NDS] Detective Jinguuji Saburo DS: Akai Chou (Arc System Works)
[NDS] Ginga Tetsudou 999 DS (Culture Brain)
[NDS] Kirihara Shoten Forest: Eigo @ DS [Best] (Ertain)

[PSP] K-On! After School Live!! (Sega)
[PSP] Eiyuu Densetsu: Zero no Kiseki (Nihon Falcom)
[PSP] Dragon Ball Z: Tenkaichi Tag Team (Bandai Namco)
[PSP] Starry Sky: In Summer - PSP Edition (Asgard)
[PSP] Shukufuku no Campanella Portable (Kadokawa Shoten)
[PSP] Twinkle Crusaders GoGo! (ASCII Media Works)
[PSP] Scarlet Fragments: Shin Tamayori Hime Denshou Portable (Idea Factory)
[PSP] L@ve Once (Maid Meets Cat)
[PSP] Madden NFL 11 (English Version) (Electronic Arts)
[PSP] Remember11: The Age of Infinity [Best Hit Selection] (CyberFront)
[PSP] 12Riven: The Psi-Climinal of Integral [Best Hit Selection] (CyberFront)

[PS3] Dead Rising 2 (Capcom)
[PS3] Quantum Theory (Koei Tecmo)
[PS3] Madden NFL 11 (English Version) (Electronic Arts)

[360] Monster Hunter Frontier Online (Season 9.0 Premium Package) (Capcom) - 29/09/10
[360] Dead Rising 2 (Capcom)
[360] Quantum Theory (Koei Tecmo)
[360] Madden NFL 11 (English Version) (Electronic Arts)

 

[ULTROS!]

I never knew Quantum Theory is coming out already.

 

[Chris1964]

I never knew Quantum Theory is coming out already.

Don't worry, no one knows it.

Updated list for potential important 2010 releases

18/09/10 [NDS] Pokemon Black / White (Pokemon Co.)
30/09/10 [NDS] Okamiden (Capcom)
07/10/10 [NDS] Kingdom Hearts Re: Coded (Square Enix)
28/10/10 [NDS] Golden Sun: Dark Dawn (Nintendo)
28/10/10 [NDS] Zack & Ombra: Amusement Park of Illusion (Konami)
11/11/10 [NDS] Magician’s Quest: The Merchant’s Store of Sorcery (Konami)
25/11/10 [NDS] Super Robot Wars L (Bandai Namco)
25/11/10 [NDS] Power Pro Kun Pocket 13 (Konami)
02/12/10 [NDS] Momotaro Railway: World (Hudson)
09/12/10 [NDS] Ni no Kuni: The Ebony Wizard (Level 5)
09/12/10 [NDS] Shiren the Wanderer 5: Fortune Tower and the Dice of Fate (Chunsoft)
xx/xx/10 [NDS] Mario Vs. Donkey Kong: Miniland Mayhem (Nintendo)
xx/xx/10 [NDS] Super Fossil Fighters (Nintendo)

22/09/10 [PSP] Black Leopard: A New Tale of Yakuza (Sega)
30/09/10 [PSP] K-On! After School Live!! (Sega)
14/10/10 [PSP] Lord of Arcana (Square Enix)
28/10/10 [PSP] God Eater: Burst (Bandai Namco)
11/11/10 [PSP] Tactics Ogre: Wheel of Fate (Square Enix)
18/11/10 [PSP] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2011 (Konami)
02/12/10 [PSP] Monster Hunter Freedom 3 (Capcom)
22/12/10 [PSP] The 3rd Birthday (Square Enix)
xx/xx/10 [PSP] The Little Battlers (Level 5)

14/10/10 [WII] Kirby's Epic Yarn (Nintendo)
21/10/10 [WII] Super Mario Collection Special Pack (Nintendo)
xx/xx/10 [WII] Donkey Kong Country Returns (Nintendo)
xx/xx/10 [WII] The Last Story (Nintendo)
xx/xx/xx [WII] Wii Relax (Nintendo)

15/09/10 [PS3] Front Mission: Evolved (Square Enix)
07/10/10 [PS3] Gekijouban Macross F: Itsuwarino Utahime - Hybrid Pack (Bandai Namco)
21/10/10 [PS3] Vanquish (Sega)
21/10/10 [PS3] Naruto Shippuden: Narutimate Storm 2 (Bandai Namco)
21/10/10 [PS3] MOVE
28/10/10 [PS3] World Soccer Winning Eleven 2011 (Konami)
03/11/10 [PS3] Gran Turismo 5 (SCE)
11/11/10 [PS3] Dragon Ball: Raging Blast 2 (Bandai Namco)
02/12/10 [PS3] Tales of Graces F (Bandai Namco)
16/12/10 [PS3] Call of Duty: Black Ops (Dubbed Edition) (Square Enix)
xx/12/10 [PS3] Dynasty Warriors: Gundam 3 (Bandai Namco) -> according to azalyn

 

[ULTROS!]

Isn't Catherine also coming December?

 

[Chris1964]

Isn't Catherine also coming December?

Winter.

 

[Pureauthor]

[NDS] Okamiden (Capcom)

This game is going to die.

 

[Chris1964]

This game is going to die.

I don't think it will sell less than Okami.

 

[Oxx]

So, by what ratio will Black/White outsell Okamiden next week?

 

[Chris1964]

Black/White 3rd week:Okamiden 1st week=10:1

 

[duckroll]

I don't think it will sell less than Okami.

I think it definitely will.

Edit: Zack & Ombra is also going to bomb HARD. So I dunno why you even bother listing it.

 

[Chris1964]

We are talking for 150k LTD (not counting re-releases).

 

[duckroll]

We are talking for 150k LTD (not counting re-releases).

Okamiden probably won't do 100k LTD.

 

[Cygnus X-1]

Seriously: WTF these numbers. Best opening ever?

 

[Vic]

Seriously: WTF these numbers. Best opening ever?

Ever

 

[EmCeeGramr]

A lot of things predate you here, but Tabris predated you by about 2 years before he was removed from these threads by unearthly men in black. Anyway, here's a small sample of his stuff.

Oh typhonsentra.

"Nintendo has played all of their cards with the DS, whereas Sony has only played GTA. I can't see the DS winning in America now!"