theprodigy
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lol, as if JRPGs on any other platforms perform any differently
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Media Create Sales: Week 13, 2015 (Mar 23 - Mar 29)
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lol, as if JRPGs on any other platforms perform any differently
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
To you maybe, but certain mobile titles for companies are making more money than a retail console / handheld ever could and in a shorter amount of time too. Hence the gold rush with everyone trying to get rich quick and keep throwing that shit at the wall in hopes something will stick with the audience.
Not sure they'd ever recoup the cost of the license and the development work necessary.
There's a shit-ton of detail in PYS, they'd have to put resources into bringing over the MLB players in a way that meets the PYS expectations. Also the real draw of PYS is how it's built around the idea of special skills that some players have, almost like an RPG, and that's not really big for US baseball games.
Not to mention the marketing cost.
Are these Famitsu numbers?
Pennywise83
Banned
Just look at the FW / LTD ratio for games such Bravely Default, Fantasy Life, Yo-kai Watch, and then compare with, e.g., Tales of Xillia, Final Fantasy XIII / XIII-2 / LR, Oreshika 2. This is true in general terms.
Yeah, those are Famitsu numbers. This week shows several titles with quite different numbers between both trackers (due to the huge amount of releases, probably).
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
You can say that if the actual sell through %ages come out.
Considering there were constant reports of BB being sold out / hard to find Id have to think it did well with its first shipment. Esp considering the not yet filled out PS4 userbase for what is considered to be a title made for core gamers.
if only it was on 3ds though, then it would've launched at 300k and gone on to sell a million ltd for sure....... just look at bravely default and youkai watch......
Kresnik258
Member
While I'd agree JRPG's are even more front loaded on Sony platforms than Nintendo platforms, did you really think the most effective way to prove that point was to compare 3 new IP's against 2 their 13th mainline installments?
Even for you that's stretching things.
BishopLamont
Banned
might be interesting if they start tracking the sales
Do you think Konami will make PYS/Power Pros look like a PS4 game, or do you expect them to just pretty up the PS3 engine? I ask because I'm not sure today's Konami would do the investment for the former.
ninjablade
Banned
PS4 and bloodborne doing great, they both deserve it.
Pennywise83
Banned
You're right. I remember more notable examples, though, such as DQ VIII vs. IX (62% vs. 56%); or the FFIII remake, which had a 50% or so ratio. Another long-standing IP such a Fire Emblem had a ratio of 57%. It's very unusual to see a ratio between 50% and 60% on a Sony platform.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Oh you xD
BD : 49%
SMT4 : 73%
PQ : 70%
DQ7 : 68%
FEA : 57%
EO4 : 72%
FF13 : 75%
FF13-2 : 66%
ToX : 76%
ToV : 56%
WKC : 60%
VC : 55%
DeS : 22% (lol)
I think there are several factors affecting things here. Consumer bases are definitely one factor.
Judging Senran Kagura Estival Versus sales and comparing to the previous entries of the series, it would be still reasonable to think PS platforms are the most profitable option even if it's Vita and PS4 sales combined (assuming that the development of the extra PS4 version didn't cost too much to require much more sales to the game), so the spin-off series should be kept alive, or at least I hope that for people who are interested in it.
I don't expect any big visual upgrades. Though I'm part of the problem: I would settle for being able to play the games on my PS4 as a convenience.
hmm, I wonder what's up the laughing at the Vita DQH.
If people haven't noticed Japan has had abysmal sales of all the software as of late so even something like 80k seems ok for an initial week. Even DQ Theatrhythm barely managed to release above the first release of FF Theatrhythm and a smidgens below Curtain Call. And this is the game they have gone all bells and whistles with and promised that all DLC be free. This has to bee some sort of faux promotion in the works for the coming DQ games. Even if it isn't a 3DS game to start with(will be streamed to everything later on anyway) Well as long as it pans out it's ok. Anyway.
The PS4 isn't really much of a must in Japan atm, it's more of a "maybe* while the Vita is an nearly *ok* thing. The PS3 faltering, still alive but for how much longer? And considering that it ain't all that hard, in the correct environment, to port games between the systems and one of them being really healthy in the ROTW* I see it as a gamble they need to take if they aren't going to hide in the swamp of iOS/Android releases or just stay in Japan.
Nah, if a third party publisher is smart in these days they'll better make damn sure they are in an environment that allows ports to everything as quickly, preferably good as well, as possible to everything out there. This includes PC.
*Don't fuck up the hunting games on consoles folks. My personal opinion but Toukiden and GE2RB really felt wrong on PS4. So did Type-0. Heck don't fuck up games ever.
Off Topic first: I love your new Avatar
It's great.
On Topic: Are we calculating in overall sales in this as well? Add how long they promoted it as well. And one more thing, never ever compare Youkai Watch to anything. That thing is in it's own league of WTF. It still has an manga and anime(do they? or just movies now?) airing with it. So even if they weren't actively promoting the game on the streets they sure as hell had a great promotion they got paid for airing. Nah, this is a more than just a strike of lightning. Youkai Watch is one of the few games that truly deserves being called a *beast*.
If people haven't noticed Japan has had abysmal sales of all the software as of late so even something like 80k seems ok for an initial week. Even DQ Theatrhythm barely managed to release above the first release of FF Theatrhythm and a smidgens below Curtain Call. And this is the game they have gone all bells and whistles with and promised that all DLC be free. This has to bee some sort of faux promotion in the works for the coming DQ games. Even if it isn't a 3DS game to start with(will be streamed to everything later on anyway) Well as long as it pans out it's ok. Anyway.
The PS4 isn't really much of a must in Japan atm, it's more of a "maybe* while the Vita is an nearly *ok* thing. The PS3 faltering, still alive but for how much longer? And considering that it ain't all that hard, in the correct environment, to port games between the systems and one of them being really healthy in the ROTW* I see it as a gamble they need to take if they aren't going to hide in the swamp of iOS/Android releases or just stay in Japan.
Nah, if a third party publisher is smart in these days they'll better make damn sure they are in an environment that allows ports to everything as quickly, preferably good as well, as possible to everything out there. This includes PC.
*Don't fuck up the hunting games on consoles folks. My personal opinion but Toukiden and GE2RB really felt wrong on PS4. So did Type-0. Heck don't fuck up games ever.
Off Topic first: I love your new Avatar
It's great.On Topic: Are we calculating in overall sales in this as well? Add how long they promoted it as well. And one more thing, never ever compare Youkai Watch to anything. That thing is in it's own league of WTF. It still has an manga and anime(do they? or just movies now?) airing with it. So even if they weren't actively promoting the game on the streets they sure as hell had a great promotion they got paid for airing. Nah, this is a more than just a strike of lightning. Youkai Watch is one of the few games that truly deserves being called a *beast*.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Of course its going to feel wrong when both of those games also were built off of code that had to include the PSP with it originally. Which is why stuff looked "odd" until you actually reach content that was made outside of what was included on the PSP versions.
Type-0 is also another title that was a PSP title so am not sure what people expected to happen when it gets ported to the PS4. lol
Companies already do that actually.
Yeah I haven't reached the new stuff in Toukiden, didn't transfer as it wasn't up yet. Went back to the Vita version. Which has taken a back seat to Bloodborne. Actually everything has taken a back seat to Bloodborne for me atm. Just a few hours here and there I can play something else.
Oh for the tracking of mobile stuff. Anything they share?
ohh I forgot to mention that but to all the *R.I.P NIS* posts.
They must have counted on this. Such a heavy week and releasing a new game on a console. A place where their games historically have performed worse than their handheld counterparts. They had to be counting on this. Not really sure what they are counting with in the west though. As far as I gather they do ok. For being not-final-fantasy or having a Platform holder cuddling them.
imo, it's more like everyone already owns a 3DS so why not try the rest. (/^▽^)/
Well I commented already in the last thread, so I don't have much to say beyond some optimism for PS4 and wanting to see how these sales progress in April.
Speaking of which, the next niche JRPG on PS4 is Neptunia VII. I wonder how that'll do? It's releasing on the same day as Bravely Second,Toukiden Kiwami and BlazBlue Chrono Phantasma Extend. Will those games cannibalize sales nearly as much as D5 got?
I recall their launch announcement having this quote: "いくぜ、4~5万本。" (Let's go, 40K~50K copies). Seems way way more feasible than 150K.
Speaking of which, the next niche JRPG on PS4 is Neptunia VII. I wonder how that'll do? It's releasing on the same day as Bravely Second,Toukiden Kiwami and BlazBlue Chrono Phantasma Extend. Will those games cannibalize sales nearly as much as D5 got?
I recall their launch announcement having this quote: "いくぜ、4~5万本。" (Let's go, 40K~50K copies). Seems way way more feasible than 150K.
1st Course
Member
Dr. Serkan Toto @serkantoto · 12h 12 hours ago
Testing CAVE's brand new 2D shooter "Death Garuda" ゴシックは魔法乙女 (iOS- and Japan-only atm). https://appsto.re/jp/wnJh3.i
Wonder if they will even bother porting it to xbox one with sales being as bad as they are.
Testing CAVE's brand new 2D shooter "Death Garuda" ゴシックは魔法乙女 (iOS- and Japan-only atm). https://appsto.re/jp/wnJh3.i
Wonder if they will even bother porting it to xbox one with sales being as bad as they are.
If anything they are being sober about the amount they can sell...always something. Right ( -_・
?But I'm not really into Neptunia, the Noire release is still sitting on my shelf unopened. Just bought it because of Sting, backlog and Bloodborne killing everything. Is it a good game? Do they usually sell well?
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Thanks Para. Will read.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
I dont actually follow the more recent stuff. Nirolak had done up a thread on general numbers from a company that does track info like that.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=650611
http://www.eurotechnology.com/2015/02/10/japan-smartphone-apps-ranking/
http://www.eurotechnology.com/store/jgames/
http://www.applift.com/blog/mobile-games-marketing-in-asia-china-japan-south-korea.html
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...8m-in-april-alone-market-cap-exceeds-nintendo
https://www.techinasia.com/monster-strike-dethrones-puzzle-dragons-metaps/
Know that these are not all companies that track stuff as usually the data is sold. But there are lots of various articles out there.
nephilimdj
Member
I wonder how many copies Senran Kagura Estival Versus will sell next week due to the no panties glitch
Sony must be really happy at all those sales over the sony platforms
Sony must be really happy at all those sales over the sony platforms
Pretty good PS4 numbers for the month. Consistently selling higher than all of the 3DS's combined as well as Vita. They are actually close to XB1's lower numbers for America for this month(mid to low 100,000s) that's insane.
What's unfortunately concerning is that without more titles to sustain it, this might dry up. Japanese devs cant let that happen, as its been shown that gamers will bite with software. I'm also sure BB sales were bolstered alteast in part to the Metacritic scores. They do look at those in Japanese blogs for western releases, even Iwata references back to them in earnings reports
What's unfortunately concerning is that without more titles to sustain it, this might dry up. Japanese devs cant let that happen, as its been shown that gamers will bite with software. I'm also sure BB sales were bolstered alteast in part to the Metacritic scores. They do look at those in Japanese blogs for western releases, even Iwata references back to them in earnings reports
Atelier Shallie's sales were down about 10K in its first week of JPN sales in comparison to Escha & Logy.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
where is our lord and saviour famitsu
I just doritoed that......well at least they hadn't gone full out and made an anatomically correct vagina. But if anything will help sell that game is if the Anime is popular. The new anime started airing last week as well I believe...?
http://www.famitsu.com/biz/ranking/ to lazy to transcribe.
BishopLamont
Banned
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Im not sure if its famitsu or another company but there are smartphone game specific magazines.
KimonoNoNo
Member
I actually believe them that THEY wouldn't be able to get D5 to run on Vita. I'm currently playing D4 Vita and some of the slowdowns are horrendous.
Disgaea 5
I wonder if they were forced to release before end of the financial year for business reasons, being as it's their flagship series and all they kind of put all their eggs in one basket.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
hmm, I wonder what's up the laughing at the Vita DQH.
If people haven't noticed Japan has had abysmal sales of all the software as of late so even something like 80k seems ok for an initial week. Even DQ Theatrhythm barely managed to release above the first release of FF Theatrhythm and a smidgens below Curtain Call. And this is the game they have gone all bells and whistles with and promised that all DLC be free. This has to bee some sort of faux promotion in the works for the coming DQ games. Even if it isn't a 3DS game to start with(will be streamed to everything later on anyway) Well as long as it pans out it's ok. Anyway.
The PS4 isn't really much of a must in Japan atm, it's more of a "maybe* while the Vita is an nearly *ok* thing. The PS3 faltering, still alive but for how much longer? And considering that it ain't all that hard, in the correct environment, to port games between the systems and one of them being really healthy in the ROTW* I see it as a gamble they need to take if they aren't going to hide in the swamp of iOS/Android releases or just stay in Japan.
Nah, if a third party publisher is smart in these days they'll better make damn sure they are in an environment that allows ports to everything as quickly, preferably good as well, as possible to everything out there. This includes PC.
*Don't fuck up the hunting games on consoles folks. My personal opinion but Toukiden and GE2RB really felt wrong on PS4. So did Type-0. Heck don't fuck up games ever.
Off Topic first: I love your new Avatar
On Topic: Are we calculating in overall sales in this as well? Add how long they promoted it as well. And one more thing, never ever compare Youkai Watch to anything. That thing is in it's own league of WTF. It still has an manga and anime(do they? or just movies now?) airing with it. So even if they weren't actively promoting the game on the streets they sure as hell had a great promotion they got paid for airing. Nah, this is a more than just a strike of lightning. Youkai Watch is one of the few games that truly deserves being called a *beast*.
would you like the full resolution?
BishopLamont
Banned
pretty sure mc/famitsu said they'll start tracking mobile sales since last year or something
Yes please.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Yes I found this interesting. Although MC has the game selling quite a bit more (Closer to TFF:CC)
Rodea and Lego on 4/2.
Eolz
Member
I could see Kadokawa buying them tbh.
SK never was "hot shit" amongst japanese otakus, even at its peak. It's another story in the west.
BB technically is a new IP, but it's still a Souls game. You can see that with a lot more than just "slower paced compared to most 3rd person action games".
Of course, BB is the most accessible yet, and its combat is really funnier/more interesting, but otherwise, it shares with the Souls series:
-same leveling system
-same level and progression structure
-same combat system (minus turtle builds and dodge)
-same multiplayer system
-nearly the same UI
-Insight, with some features added, works like Humanity
-same design philosophy
-nearly the same control scheme
-similar enemy patterns (but adapted to the new, faster-paced combat obviously)
and a lot more (I can keep doing it for a while).
You should really give Dark Souls another try once you've finished BB (if that isn't already the case). The similarities will be even more blatant, and you might see something fun in it that you didn't at first.
2x PS4? The Vita is more likely making a "comeback" because it actually got higher-profile games (if we can call them like that). Vita TV would sell well if the PS4 had this effect.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Who do you think keeps buying them, so that the company keeps pumping out this many versions of mainly the same general thing. Outside of their cooking / rhythm game.
You have absolutely no clue what you're saying and have not played the Souls games. Like, no fucking clue lol.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Oh wow Vita outsold the 3DS last week. Didn't notice that.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Famitsu:
1. [PS4] Bloodborne - 150,245 / NEW
2. [PSV] SAO: Lost Song - 125,441 / NEW
3. [PS3] One Piece: Pirate Warriors 3 - 81,387 / NEW
4. [PS3] Pro Spirits Baseball 2015 - 63,648 / NEW
5. [3DS] Theathrhythm Dragon Quest - 61,073 / NEW
6. [PSV] Senran Kagura: Estival Versus - 49,365 / NEW
7. [PS3] SAO: Lost Song - 43,562 / NEW
8. [PSV] One Piece: Pirate Warriors 3 - 42,845 / NEW
9. [PSV] Pro Spirits Baseball 2015 - 38,519 / NEW
10. [PS4] One Piece Pirate Warriors 3 - 37,812 / NEW
11. [3DS] Kuroko's Basketball: Ties to Future - 33,541 / NEW
12. [PS4] Senran Kagura: Estival Versus - 26,091 / NEW
13. [PSV] Minecraft: Playstation Vita Edition - 23,229 / 59,822
14. [PS4] Disgaea 5: Alliance of Vengeance - 22,872 / NEW
15. [WIU] Mario Party 10 - 18,002 / 93,708
16. [PS3] Resident Evil Revelations 2 - 17,430 / 90,504
17. [PS3] Yakuza 0 - 16,623 / 212,036
18. [PS4] Battlefield Hardline - 13,602 / 78,791
19. [PS4] Final Fantasy Type 0 HD - 13,006 / 104,099
20. [3DS] Yokai Watch 2 Shinuchi - 12,666 / 2,539,714
21. [PSV] Digimon Story - 10,293 / 79,760
22. [PS3] Battlefield Hardline - 9,946 / 34,980
23. [PS4] Yakuza 0 - 7,827 / 126,773
24. [PS4] Resident Evil Revelations 2 - 7,810 / 48,559
25. [3DS] Zelda: Majora's Mask 3D - 7,705 / 411,731
26. [3DS] Pokemon Omega Ruby / Alpha Sapphire - 7,288 / 2,767,720
27. [PS3] Dragon Quest Heroes - 7,063 / 435,862
28. [3DS] Super Smash Bros. 3DS - 6,854 / 2,287,780
29. [3DS] Etrian Odyssey: Mystery Dungeon - 5,870 / 82,215
30. [PSV] Deceptiion IV: Another Princess - 5,494 / NEW
1. [PS4] Bloodborne - 150,245 / NEW
2. [PSV] SAO: Lost Song - 125,441 / NEW
3. [PS3] One Piece: Pirate Warriors 3 - 81,387 / NEW
4. [PS3] Pro Spirits Baseball 2015 - 63,648 / NEW
5. [3DS] Theathrhythm Dragon Quest - 61,073 / NEW
6. [PSV] Senran Kagura: Estival Versus - 49,365 / NEW
7. [PS3] SAO: Lost Song - 43,562 / NEW
8. [PSV] One Piece: Pirate Warriors 3 - 42,845 / NEW
9. [PSV] Pro Spirits Baseball 2015 - 38,519 / NEW
10. [PS4] One Piece Pirate Warriors 3 - 37,812 / NEW
11. [3DS] Kuroko's Basketball: Ties to Future - 33,541 / NEW
12. [PS4] Senran Kagura: Estival Versus - 26,091 / NEW
13. [PSV] Minecraft: Playstation Vita Edition - 23,229 / 59,822
14. [PS4] Disgaea 5: Alliance of Vengeance - 22,872 / NEW
15. [WIU] Mario Party 10 - 18,002 / 93,708
16. [PS3] Resident Evil Revelations 2 - 17,430 / 90,504
17. [PS3] Yakuza 0 - 16,623 / 212,036
18. [PS4] Battlefield Hardline - 13,602 / 78,791
19. [PS4] Final Fantasy Type 0 HD - 13,006 / 104,099
20. [3DS] Yokai Watch 2 Shinuchi - 12,666 / 2,539,714
21. [PSV] Digimon Story - 10,293 / 79,760
22. [PS3] Battlefield Hardline - 9,946 / 34,980
23. [PS4] Yakuza 0 - 7,827 / 126,773
24. [PS4] Resident Evil Revelations 2 - 7,810 / 48,559
25. [3DS] Zelda: Majora's Mask 3D - 7,705 / 411,731
26. [3DS] Pokemon Omega Ruby / Alpha Sapphire - 7,288 / 2,767,720
27. [PS3] Dragon Quest Heroes - 7,063 / 435,862
28. [3DS] Super Smash Bros. 3DS - 6,854 / 2,287,780
29. [3DS] Etrian Odyssey: Mystery Dungeon - 5,870 / 82,215
30. [PSV] Deceptiion IV: Another Princess - 5,494 / NEW