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Media Create Sales: Week 3, 2013 (Jan 14 - Jan 20)

Beth Cyra

Member
11-year anniversary of the Japanese release.

Does anyone expect Wind Waker HD to sell systems? I don't see why it would, but I also wasn't as excited by the Nintendo Direct as it seems many are. Maybe that I'm trying to not buy a Wii U anytime soon in order to purposefully tackle the lack of free time and back log of games is tinting my view of the ND announcements?

No, it might to a small group of hardcore but that is it.

It's a remake of Wind Waker which didn't perform up to either OoT (and the 3DS version is barely over a million) or Twilight Princess (WW) and on top of that as almost all remakes have shown they don't move nearly as many units the original version.
 

guek

Banned
3DS was also performing way worse than PSP weeks after it launched. Why would Wii U/PS3 be much different?

Well both PS3 and Wii U numbers are pretty damn low, PS3 due to a combination of a longer than normal generation and a major softening of the console market in general. No way you slice it though, 16,654 is pretty pitifully low.

Just for a frame of reference, Wii did 86,395 in week 3 of 2007, PS3 did 21,105.

Wii U is about 12k under PS3's 2007 YTD at the same point and it's only going to slip further away as the weeks go on. Conversely, PS3 was 160k behind Wii U's current LTD by this point in 2007. PS3 had a pretty horrible 2007 too with numbers hovering around 20k in the first half, dipping under 10k by the summer. I may have missed a week here or there going over these numbers so I might be off here but it seems PS3 hit 70k in week 1, dropped like a stone, and couldn't do more than 63k for the rest of the entire year.

Dayum. I knew it was rough back then but I never realized how absolutely pathetic PS3's first full year was.



I realize that there may be an aspect of fanboy panhandling when I say this, but with the cooling Japanese PS3 software ecosystem having never been been too much hotter than lukewarm to begin with, I hope more japanese devs will start considering Wii U cross platform titles. The chances of any console selling like the Wii did in its early years are so monumentally slim. Even if PS4 outpaces the Wii U, the installed base just isn't going to be there. Unlike the previous gen, 3rd parties aren't going to have the enormous PS2 base to feed it in Japan so it seems like it'd be in their best interest to support PS3/PS4/WiiU between now and the end of 2014 in order to get by.

Then again, maybe most of em will just rely on the global market...though there aren't any guarantees there either.
 

hiska-kun

Member
So, February predictions: DQVII and MGR??

According to Famitsu the month ends Feb. 24th, so the games released on the 28th (DW8, Layton, Vita boobs...) would be out.

I guess I'll make a separate thread for the entire year of 2013. Currently planning:

3DS Hardware
Wii U Hardware
Monster Hunter 4
Pokemon X/Y
New Super Mario Bros. 2
Animal Crossing: New Leaf
New Super Mario Bros. U
Nintendo Land

If you have anything to say...

Tomodachi Collection?

I don't know what else could be possible for February predictions. But March seems full of games, maybe is better to make weekly predictions for just this month?
 

watershed

Banned
Damn I'm so late to this thread. Nothing really interesting this week besides the Wii U's continued decline. This is the new Vita guessing game. How low will it go? I'm guessing 10k range for a few weeks.
 

AzaK

Member
I'm somewhat shocked Nintendo blew a giant chunk of their load pre-E3... perhaps as a reaction to sales? But then... promises of the future don't have much of a sales impact to begin with for the most part.
The still have Bayonetta 2, Retro's game and of course actual playable MK at E3. I think they can still surprise us.
 

vareon

Member
Now that the 3DS is stabilizing nicely in Japan, I think Nintendo leaving 3DS to third party titles while goes all guns blazing to Wii U. Hopefully third party's efforts can match Nintendo's output on the 3DS.
 
Im thinking the WiiU will go to Vita Levels soon....hovering at that 10k maybe. The fact it is getting outsold by a six year old console despite having MH and NSMBU is pitiful. The ps3 has not even had a price cut yet after the new model was released.

Nintendo better hope their Q3 and Q4 make up for it.
I personally do not think it will.
 

Laguna

Banned
We can basically make 2 categories regarding WiiUs launchgames, games that released on time (exclusives and multiplat.) and games that just came late. Early adopters in most cases are hardcore gamers that actually had the possibility to play these games beforehand therefore it´s diminishing their value as system-sellers. The available data proofs that NSMBU and Nintendoland are the games people buy the system for, to a lesser extant MHTri which is the only "late game" to be of any importance due to how big the franchise is but it´s obvious that after several iterations it lost some of its strength as a system seller.


launch games

on time releases - 3
New Super Mario Bros. U
ZombiU (FPS)
Nintendo Land

late
Assassin's Creed III
Batman: Arkham City - Armored Edition
FIFA 13
Mass Effect 3: Special Edition
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge
Tekken Tag Tournament 2: Wii U Edition
Warriors Orochi 3 Hyper



Looking at the sales-data, WiiU right now has a lineup of only 2 games that actually can be considered system-sellers for the early adopters crowd, plus MHTri for the MH-hardcorefans. New important releases that are either released "on time" or completely exclusive will obviously not only help the hardware but also these games, two of them potential million sellers (NL and NSMBU).
 

Ydahs

Member
Wait, they stopped tracking the DS and PS2? :(

WiiU is certainly struggling. I know Nintendo made it clear that they're working on getting out their big guns asap, but until then their home console is going to be hovering fairly low on the charts.

I don't think there will be a price drop like the 3DS, but I expect there to be some bargain bundles with their major releases. It's going to be a while before it hits the 1M mark.
 

farnham

Banned
No, it might to a small group of hardcore but that is it.

It's a remake of Wind Waker which didn't perform up to either OoT (and the 3DS version is barely over a million) or Twilight Princess (WW) and on top of that as almost all remakes have shown they don't move nearly as many units the original version.

It sold better than twilight princess in japan
 

Celine

Member
No, it might to a small group of hardcore but that is it.

It's a remake of Wind Waker which didn't perform up to either OoT (and the 3DS version is barely over a million) or Twilight Princess (WW) and on top of that as almost all remakes have shown they don't move nearly as many units the original version.
2.61M
 
Well both PS3 and Wii U numbers are pretty damn low, PS3 due to a combination of a longer than normal generation and a major softening of the console market in general. No way you slice it though, 16,654 is pretty pitifully low.

Just for a frame of reference, Wii did 86,395 in week 3 of 2007, PS3 did 21,105.

Wii U is about 12k under PS3's 2007 YTD at the same point and it's only going to slip further away as the weeks go on. Conversely, PS3 was 160k behind Wii U's current LTD by this point in 2007. PS3 had a pretty horrible 2007 too with numbers hovering around 20k in the first half, dipping under 10k by the summer. I may have missed a week here or there going over these numbers so I might be off here but it seems PS3 hit 70k in week 1, dropped like a stone, and couldn't do more than 63k for the rest of the entire year.

Dayum. I knew it was rough back then but I never realized how absolutely pathetic PS3's first full year was.



I realize that there may be an aspect of fanboy panhandling when I say this, but with the cooling Japanese PS3 software ecosystem having never been been too much hotter than lukewarm to begin with, I hope more japanese devs will start considering Wii U cross platform titles. The chances of any console selling like the Wii did in its early years are so monumentally slim. Even if PS4 outpaces the Wii U, the installed base just isn't going to be there. Unlike the previous gen, 3rd parties aren't going to have the enormous PS2 base to feed it in Japan so it seems like it'd be in their best interest to support PS3/PS4/WiiU between now and the end of 2014 in order to get by.

Then again, maybe most of em will just rely on the global market...though there aren't any guarantees there either.

If you're making an HD game at this point that isn't directly aimed at Japan, the global market is the one you want to target. Otherwise I expect most of those games aimed directly at Japan to be on 3DS. I'll be interested to see how quickly developers move on from the PS3 because Wii U's best chance at 3rd party support seems to be having the PS3 be its porting partner in Japan.
 

Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
Another release date

[3DS] Castlevania: Lords of Shadow - Mirror of Fate - 3/20/2012 - 4,980 Yen
 

Nekki

Member
ND showed the big difference between Vita and Wii U. Nintendo is able and ready to back its own platform with many first party games. It will rise higher, even after this awful drought of two months.

Too bad it will probably barely surpass the GC (if it does at all).

I guess since 3DS is safe for now, and its 2013 looks way better for it, they will start focusing more on Wii U.
 

test_account

XP-39C²
Are there any predictions to much Demon Gaze Vita will sell? I remember seeing a prediction around 3k once, but i dont know if that was just a "random" number to indicate that it would sell very little or if it was an exact prediction.
 

schuelma

Wastes hours checking old Famitsu software data, but that's why we love him.
So with Game & Wario for 3/28. we now in all likelihood know Nintendo's complete 1st Quarter lineup for Wii U:

1/31- Hokuto Musou 2
2/21- Tanks!
3/14- Need for Speed
3/28- Game & Wario


Way to bring it strong Nintendo!
 
Nintendo's putting Calciobit, Culdcept, Super Pokemon Rumble, Fire Emblem Awakening and Nintendogs on the Japanese eShop on January 30th. Out of Nintendo's first party 3DS slate, only Kid Icarus, Spirit Camera and Steel Diver will remain without a digital version.

Thanks to Cheesemeister.
 

donny2112

Member
Too bad it will probably barely surpass the GC (if it does at all).

GC was held down by PS2. There is no PS2 home console this time, so I still expect it to sell > 10m easily by the end. That is dependent on much more than just Nintendo first-party games coming to the system, but I still expect better results for that down the road, too.
 

Bruno MB

Member
GC was held down by PS2. There is no PS2 home console this time, so I still expect it to sell > 10m easily by the end. That is dependent on much more than just Nintendo first-party games coming to the system, but I still expect better results for that down the road, too.

Considering that Wii sold 12.7 million units, do yo really expect Wii U to easily reach over 10 million sales?
 

Anth0ny

Member
Not sure how many of those Wii U games announced are gonna move units. It was a great showcase for the hardcore Nintendo fans, but from a sales perspective... nothing really stood out. At least nothing I expect being released this year.

How have Yoshi titles sold in the past? Epic Yarn? I know Return to Dreamland did surprisingly well.

What about Xenoblade? X looks like it would appeal to the Japanese audience, but I predict a 2014 release. Same deal with MegaTen x Fire Emblem.
 

donny2112

Member
Considering that Wii sold 12.7 million units, do yo really expect Wii U to easily reach over 10 million sales?

Of course. Wii didn't exactly do "well" to reach 12.7m. 10m is not some impossible barrier to reach, and for a Nintendo system that gets the more reasonable third-party support that I expect it to, it's not a monumental task, either.
 

Rran

Member
Notable reactions:

3DS: This mofo's beastin'. I thought last year was pretty good, but just looking at the lineup for 2013... :O This little device is quickly becoming one of my favorite gaming machines; the quality of the games' titles are simply astounding. Sure to have another terrific year.

Wii U: And in Nintendo's other corner... o_O I bought the system, really enjoyed it for a couple of weeks, but then began neglecting it; it certainly doesn't have the immediate draw of its predecessor, that's for sure. The latest Nintendo Direct did help to somewhat assuage my current tepid attitude toward the console, though...

Vita: Once again crawling back into its <10k hole *sigh* Sony's doing a phenomenal job w/ the PS3, still supplying it with numerous solid titles during its twilight year(s), long after the system has firmly established itself as the console to buy... but then there's the Vita. It's a mirror image of Nintendo's success & failure, but for some reason I just feel more bitter about the handling and status of this device. While there are certainly some really great titles on the system, I just know the Vita could be a lot more than what it currently is.
We'll see if I'll be saying the same thing about the Wii U come next year...
 

DSXBoy

Member
No, it might to a small group of hardcore but that is it.

It's a remake of Wind Waker which didn't perform up to either OoT (and the 3DS version is barely over a million) or Twilight Princess (WW) and on top of that as almost all remakes have shown they don't move nearly as many units the original version.

Agreed
 
Not sure how many of those Wii U games announced are gonna move units. It was a great showcase for the hardcore Nintendo fans, but from a sales perspective... nothing really stood out. At least nothing I expect being released this year.

How have Yoshi titles sold in the past? Epic Yarn? I know Return to Dreamland did surprisingly well.

What about Xenoblade? X looks like it would appeal to the Japanese audience, but I predict a 2014 release. Same deal with MegaTen x Fire Emblem.

Yoshi Island sold over a million. Return to Dreamland isn't doing surprisingly well, both Squeak Squad and SS Deluxe did over a million. Epic Yarn did underperform a bit at under 500k sold, but maybe it was perceived as a spin-off by the public? No idea. Wario Land Shake did do quite poorly at 120k, I can't really explain that one considering WL4 sold almost 500k. Good Feel curse?

Xenoblade sold pretty meh, 140k.

(Famitsu numbers)
 
Of course. Wii didn't exactly do "well" to reach 12.7m. 10m is not some impossible barrier to reach, and for a Nintendo system that gets the more reasonable third-party support that I expect it to, it's not a monumental task, either.

Wii sold damn well for the first couple of years. It's just that after that it dropped off the cliff (first in Japan and then in west) because of nonexistent third party support. I really don't see Wii U getting that much more third party love to offset the fact that it's just not as big hit with casuals. Sure it could get games like Musou and Gundam together with PS4 but FF, MGS, RE etc. will be PS4 exclusives again in Japan. No console is going to hit 10 million during this new gen.
 

hongcha

Member
Are there any predictions to much Demon Gaze Vita will sell? I remember seeing a prediction around 3k once, but i dont know if that was just a "random" number to indicate that it would sell very little or if it was an exact prediction.

That's a crazy prediction someone pulled out of thin air. Hard to pin down what the total will be, but considering it was well-reviewed in Famitsu, it was sold out at most places before launch, and as of today it is #5 on Amazon's game ranking (among all games on all platforms), I'd guess 20K minimum, 45K maximum.
 

Terrell

Member
Wii U bomba confirmed.

First post looks silly post-Nintendo Direct.

Im thinking the WiiU will go to Vita Levels soon....hovering at that 10k maybe. The fact it is getting outsold by a six year old console despite having MH and NSMBU is pitiful. The ps3 has not even had a price cut yet after the new model was released.

Nintendo better hope their Q3 and Q4 make up for it.
I personally do not think it will.

Being outsold by previous-gen hardware after a holiday period, regardless of available software, is not the least bit uncommon.

It sold better than twilight princess in japan

And unless everyone who would ever play a Zelda game EVER owned a Gamecube, they probably see Wind Waker as having the most diverse audience for the Zelda series, or at least the higher chance for gains, given all the people that never played it because it was on Nintendo's weakest-selling console.
 
Nintendo's putting Calciobit, Culdcept, Super Pokemon Rumble, Fire Emblem Awakening and Nintendogs on the Japanese eShop on January 30th. Out of Nintendo's first party 3DS slate, only Kid Icarus, Spirit Camera and Steel Diver will remain without a digital version.

Thanks to Cheesemeister.

Let's hope they'll bring in the West Calciobit on eShop; it would be perfect. Also Culdcept will be nice. They both performed strongly in Japan.

So with Game & Wario for 3/28. we now in all likelihood know Nintendo's complete 1st Quarter lineup for Wii U:

1/31- Hokuto Musou 2
2/21- Tanks!
3/14- Need for Speed
3/28- Game & Wario


Way to bring it strong Nintendo!

It's incredible how they left basically three months without any release. I mean, how much time does Game and Wario need to be developed?!

Not sure how many of those Wii U games announced are gonna move units. It was a great showcase for the hardcore Nintendo fans, but from a sales perspective... nothing really stood out. At least nothing I expect being released this year.

How have Yoshi titles sold in the past? Epic Yarn? I know Return to Dreamland did surprisingly well.

What about Xenoblade? X looks like it would appeal to the Japanese audience, but I predict a 2014 release. Same deal with MegaTen x Fire Emblem.

X will perform much, much better than Xenoblade; Xenoblade has a strong reputation, and it's one of the most beloved titles of the last years; it did not seel well, but it set the ground for a sequel (or a quasi-sequel) to do well. It seems Nintendo will promote it better than they did for Xenoblade.

Also, Yoshi on DS did over the million. Fire Emblem is on fire, so the crossover could do very well.
 

liger05

Member
So with Game & Wario for 3/28. we now in all likelihood know Nintendo's complete 1st Quarter lineup for Wii U:

1/31- Hokuto Musou 2
2/21- Tanks!
3/14- Need for Speed
3/28- Game & Wario


Way to bring it strong Nintendo!

What's the deal here? Nintendo thinking NSMBU and Nintendoland were enough to carry the hardware or Third parties not on board for the launch period?

I just fail to see how someone wouldn't of recognised that with such a barren spell the hardware would struggle to shift numbers. They had a forecast of 5.5 mil shipped and 24 mil games. Now they must of expected Japan to be a big chunk of that forecast yet they release no games in Q1. Doesn't make sense.
 

hiska-kun

Member
Bravely Default hanging in there (from MC top 50):

41./40. [3DS] Bravely Default: Flying Fairy <RPG> (Square Enix) {2012.10.11} (¥6.090)
 
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