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NPD Sales Results for July 2013 [Up2: 3DS Minimum, AC:NL, LM2/NSMBU LTDs, Xbox 360]
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airmangataosenai
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Yes sir! Assuming WiiU sold 29k...
This chart really puts into perspective just how ridiculous the notion was that the Wii U could turn around and do N64 numbers at some point. People are still claiming this as a possibility to this day.
CaptainGyro
Banned
Yeah but didn't it get it's ass kicked by the playstation? I only had a nintendo 64 in 1997 and I felt like I had made a mistake by not getting a playstation by then , it seemed like it was the hotter system with more games to play.
I'd keep my hopes grounded.
The trio of Halo 3, Assassin's Creed, and Call of Duty 4 only bumped 360 hardware sales by 850k during the Sept-Dec period in 2007 compared to 2006. Halo 3 sales through Dec 2007 will at the very least be comparable Pokemon XY sales. Probably higher (Pokemon D/P was under Halo 3 in 2007, despite being on the market 9 months vs 4).
Mass Effect
Member
Yes sir! Assuming WiiU sold 29k...
Shiiit, the Wii U is screwed. It won't even do Gamecube numbers at this point. Hell, I wonder if it will even do Dreamcast numbers.
Though I wouldn't mind a Gamecube-esque output from Nintendo. Their output was great back then (in terms of quality).
Square2015
Member
Seriously!? There are people who believe the WiiU could ever performance as well as N64?
Surely not on this forum, the GAF is smarter than that!
James Sawyer Ford
Member
I'm thinking more world wide sales. Even in the US, TLoU isn't far behind GoW3. They basically sold very close to eachother for the first two months.
God of War is popular in the US, but not as popular in Europe.
TLoU has had very strong sales pretty much everywhere.
Aquamarine
Member
Both Pikmin 3 and New Super Luigi U will be tracked in the August 2013 reporting period.
I'm most interested in seeing how much they can reverse the natural sales decline that's been plaguing the console.
So far we've seen a nonstop, ~1,000+/wk MOM decline from ~13,600/wk in March to ~7,250/wk in July, with only a brief reprieve in June.
Ideally Pikmin 3 will be able to elevate the console up to March-level numbers (~13,600/wk) next month, but I have a sinking feeling that its presence won't command that much of an impact because of an overpowering focus on the PS4 / XBONE.
Quadraphonic
Member
This graph only covers the first year or so. The N64 tanked very quickly once word of mouth got out about the PS1, and that fucker had LEGS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_last_games_released_on_video_game_consoles
i think you're overestimating the appeal of unreleased consoles if you think they'll affect current console sales to that degree.
airmangataosenai
Member
I see it often here, it's also taken for granted that the Wii U will outsell the Gamecube because people think that the franchises have been expanded by the Wii users so sales will explode once those titles hit. It's insane.
This is really good.
Yes sir! Assuming WiiU sold 29k...
sad thing is
see that holiday spike for every system?
can we even be sure the wii u will have a significant holiday spike this november/december? N64, GC and Wii didn't have to fight with new console launches during their second holidays. it's going to be EATEN ALIVE by a $399 PS4. Not to mention Xbone, and even 360 and PS3 all offer better value at this point.
just brutal. surely the august numbers are going up with pikmin 3 launch... surely?
Wii: 424K - June 2010
PS3: 405K - June 2008
Xbox 360: 370K - March 2012
If March isn't spring, then over 500K in June 2011.
Carpe Libertatem
Member
They have been expanded. Sales of those franchises on 3DS makes this abundantly clear.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
That chart is just brutal. I doubt even Gamecube numbers are possible. N64 #s are a total fantasy.
Aquamarine
Member
Pikmin 3 is the Wii U's first real software refresh since March. It's most definitely going to push more Wii U consoles than 29k in 4 weeks, that's for sure.
The question is how many consoles, and whether or not the Wii U can maintain any kind of momentum from August until December.
The momentum factor is key to Nintendo's Wii U corporate strategy.
sales won't explode, but the system will have to perform better than it does with no high profile games out on the machine at all. march was the only month this year out of six where there were big releases: monster hunter and lego city undercover. there's kind of a notion out there that the wii u's been supported like crazy and no one's been buying it. no one's been buying it because there's very little to buy for it.
airmangataosenai
Member
Nintendo always has a boost, moreso than any other company. It Nintendo plays it's cards right I could see sales boost 10x over the current baseline with a price drop. The problem is that a 10x multiplier still isn't very good for the system.
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
Ouch. I know it's niche but, still, that's low.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Errr what... why would PS4 and X1 impact Pikmin 3 sales lol. They're not out for 6 months.
Aquamarine
Member
Not Pikmin 3 sales....I'm talking about PS4 / XBONE's presence affecting potential Wii U sales.
It's gotta have a bump of some kind. The question is how much, or little it'll matter.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Ohhh ok
Even so, I doubt there's much impact from the PS4 and X1 forum hype. It's a different audience compared to what Ninty targets.
pieatorium
Member
out where? i thought the notion was that it had no third party support and a lack of first party game
the wii u should have a fairly significant one, reminiscent of the ones on the chart. if not due to the games coming out for the machine alone, then also for the deals it should have this holiday to help move hardware.
and it's not like unreleased consoles aren't facing competition either. more than just each other, there are the legacy systems that will be cheaper and have a library of most of the same games. hell, the ps3's lineup looks better than the ps4's this year.
Hmmm...So the heavy hitters ( usual 1Mill+ sellers on a healthy console anyway) come out this fall.
But how much will that translate into sales? Just thinking outloud...And then there are the third party games to act as support.
All of these games would have more sales appeal than Pikmin I'm assuming...
DK, 3D World, Rayman, Zelda, Wii Fit U, Sonic LW, Sonic Olympics, CoD I assume.
I wonder what kind of boost that will actually bring.
Who knows, maybe Wii Party U will become some kind of hit that everyone and their mom wants to play...
But how much will that translate into sales? Just thinking outloud...And then there are the third party games to act as support.
All of these games would have more sales appeal than Pikmin I'm assuming...
DK, 3D World, Rayman, Zelda, Wii Fit U, Sonic LW, Sonic Olympics, CoD I assume.
I wonder what kind of boost that will actually bring.
Who knows, maybe Wii Party U will become some kind of hit that everyone and their mom wants to play...
just seems that a lot of responses are like 'holy shit, wii u sales are terrible!' i mean, why the surprise? it's not like there's been anything of note for the machine. it's not even like the 3ds, which had nintendogs+cats, oot 3d, and a more serious effort from third parties at the time of its launch.
Zoramon089
Banned
Uhh, not really
Ardenyal
Member
3 months until mid november.
Aquamarine
Member
It is indeed out in August.
And yes, it's being watched by Ubisoft. But so is their holiday lineup (AC4, Watch_Dogs, etc.)
Why do I have to like these systems so much? WHY!?shinra-bansho
Member
It's only really surprising if one doesn't realise just how poorly the NDS was selling in its early life and just how competitive the PSP was at the time.
It dropped to 57K in May 2005 against the PSP's 250K.
Thanks, I have the same.
Just had a quick look at the ratio of first 9 months to last 3 months of the year. Despite the line up it wasn't atypically high in 2002. It had a high ratio of 1.95 in 2003, perhaps due to the release of Mario Kart?
Nintendo generally have good back-end of year sales, but the ratio is typically still ~1.3.
Not sure what unprecedentedly high ratios exactly, some people are expecting as a "turnaround."
It seems people are ignoring the part of the graph that has "Top Software" and aren't drawing any correlation between the two...
I have a question about the "GC had great 1st party games and it didn't help".
I know it had the games...but thinking about it, didn't it have the bad 1st party games of the franchises?
Sunshine wasn't well recieved, Wind Waker was initially hated for whatever reason, Double Dash wasn't liked too much, DK Kongo was...weird, no Sonic game to compare to. No 2D Mario to compare.
GC had the most popular Metroid I think, but that seems to be about it. (And the best Paper Mario)
I'm not saying having more popular 1st party games would have greatly affected the GC at all. I'm just pointing something out.
I know it had the games...but thinking about it, didn't it have the bad 1st party games of the franchises?
Sunshine wasn't well recieved, Wind Waker was initially hated for whatever reason, Double Dash wasn't liked too much, DK Kongo was...weird, no Sonic game to compare to. No 2D Mario to compare.
GC had the most popular Metroid I think, but that seems to be about it. (And the best Paper Mario)
I'm not saying having more popular 1st party games would have greatly affected the GC at all. I'm just pointing something out.
lwilliams3
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Square2015
Member
Yeah as high as N64 numbers were that Christmas, PSX surged even higher exploding in September [thanks to a massive amount of Greatest Hits titles being released, heavy promos/commercials by Sony and FFVII]. PSX maintained a 60/40 lead over N64 from then on.
(I remember Peter Main being interviewed [IGN?] after that holiday and blaiming the loss to PSX on Conker Tails 64 not making it out in time for Christmas... lol)
FreedomFighter
Member
Makes no sense at all.
niche would be the 5k or so virtue's last reward launched at for each handheld. 65k-70k is really good for a game like that (and at that price)
It's not just the stuff you listed, it's also impossible to tell how the Wii affected these franchises, it's common knowledge that Mario Kart Wii sold so much because it was on a very successful platform, but we have yet to see how that will affect the sales of Mario Kart 8 and the Wii U when it could very well sell a lot more than it did on the GameCube.
shinra-bansho
Member
Does anyone have the first month and/or lifetime Pikmin and Pikmin 2 sales out of curiosity. I'm wondering how large the potential fanbase is in the US.
sonic actually did really well on the gamecube. there weren't any exclusive games for the machine, but it was the first sign that the audiences aligned in a big way.
sonic adventure 2 battle - 1.3m
mega collection - 1.1m
sonic adventure dx - 700k
as for the rest of the point, i think that the gamecube actually did whatever it did largely because of those games. without them, the system would probably be doing what the wii u is doing right now, except maybe a bit better because it was considerably less expensive.
Aquamarine
Member
Pikmin first month: ~277K
Pikmin LTD: >674K
Pikmin 2 first month: ~132.5K
Pikmin 2 LTD: >312K
I expect Sonic Lost World will definitely move some units, the demographic for Sonic and Nintendo consoles seems to have some overlap, but will it move consoles? Sonic Lost World may be my Wii-u killer app, but I'm not the average consumer by any means.
Mass Effect
Member
Yeah, we see it. The GCN and 64 had much better software within the first year. Doesn't help that Nintendo has been struggling with HD development. Even still though, I don't think even Mario Kart or Smash Bros will bring the Wii U up to 64 sales. Maybe GCN, but Nintendo needs to bring the games.