-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Official March 2008 NPD - There are no words. Almost $1B in SW sales
- Thread starter sonycowboy
- Start date
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
The X360 vs. Ps3 battle for the hardcore gamers is fascinating. X360 wins this round, but without a price cut, I expect Ps3 will outsell it easily for the coming months.
As for the Wii........meh. There are no words for me. It's totally baffling. The numbers just don't make sense. What the heck is going on?
I'm glad to see the PsP console and software sales. I've really come to appreciate it as one of the top handheld devices of all time.
As for the Wii........meh. There are no words for me. It's totally baffling. The numbers just don't make sense. What the heck is going on?
I'm glad to see the PsP console and software sales. I've really come to appreciate it as one of the top handheld devices of all time.
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
Sharp said:
Also where's doubledex? He is conspicuosly absent. Is he mad about ps3's #'s? Back on topic wii #'s are crazy I'm glad I got mine day 1.
Man, with so many butthurt people you'd think Nintendo just raped them in ass.
Anyway (not responding to Tabris, because you know.)
Anyway (not responding to Tabris, because you know.)
I'm assuming this (along with your other posts) is a joke, because I don't remember you as being this dumb.Pimpbaa said:
Almost all of the best selling games on Wii are great, and this doesn't include Carnival Games.bigmakstudios said:
Your problem is not with the "NDF", it's with reality itself. I guess fanboyism has completely destroyed your capability for rational thought.indie85 said:
Hot Shots Golf is a good game, but you're just being a moron.Zerodoppler said:
A lot, unless the non-Wii demographic has shrunk significantly since last generation.virtuafightermaster said:
You're wrong, because the consumer ≠ you.Angelus said:
If the PS3 had sold +700k in a month, PS3forums.com's drivel would've been true and thus not as ridiculous.FirstInHell said:
Except that Wii Sports has proven it's system selling ability by keeping a +50% tie-ratio in a market where it's sold separately.Ariexv said:
And MGS doesn't sell because it's MGS? GTA because it's GTA? Seriously, this reasoning makes absolutely no sense.WrikaWrek said:
No other fighter on any system sells like SSB.WrikaWrek said:
Look again genius.X26 said:
I like to end on a positive note, so I'll say that this might be the smartest statement in the thread.Zerachiel said:
Compared to all of Grasshopper Manufacture's previous games, it did.PhoenixDark said:
But only the PS2 version sold better than the Wii version.PhoenixDark said:
Now please provide excuses for the other Wii third party successes. You can even limit the list to the ~10 million sellers if you want. I could tell you which ones they are, but since you're making such absolute statements you should really have done your research yourself.
Capcom seems to have no problems, and that's with a remake and rail-shooter.Sho_Nuff82 said:
Grampa Simpson
Banned
Does that constitute a bet?Tabris said:
Because whether you're a joke character or not, no one else is as completely removed from reality. In a world where logic doesn't apply, arguing is completely pointless.Tabris said:
(Doesn't stop other people from trying however, so it's not like your posts remain uncontested.)
bmf said:
There's no betting here, there's just a statement of what I believe is going to be the future for the console market.
People doubted my PSP predictions and they still doubt my PS3 predictions. They are dead set in the belief that the market cannot change even though the company they are cheering for proved that the market can change in a very drastic way within a small period.
Starchasing
Member
Tabris said:
What were those predictions?!?!?!
Tabris said:
I remember you predicted the PSP to outsell the DS world wide, but as we all know, that's never going to happen.
You also predicted the PS3 to outsell the Wii and the 360 during the February and March months. Didn't happen.
Anyway, I still think you're a joke account made by a mod, so who cares really
(well obviously me)Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Actually he said:
2008 is the year the PS3 outsells the Wii for the year
Of course, he also said that The PS3 would outsell the Wii last month, when it ended up selling half of the Wii
:lol
2008 is the year the PS3 outsells the Wii for the year
Of course, he also said that The PS3 would outsell the Wii last month, when it ended up selling half of the Wii
:lol
brain_stew
Member
harSon said:
At those sorts of figures it still will have barely broke even, hardly encouragement for any third parties to develop RPGs for the 360/PS3.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
brain_stew said:
Broke even for whom? The entire game was bankrolled by Microsoft as a loss leader for Asian development. It didn't cost Mistwalker a cent, and in the mean time their team got more 360 experience.
In terms of making money for Microsoft, why would they give a fuck? Between Blue Dragon, Cry On, Lost Odyssey, Infinite Undiscovery, Tales of Vesperia, Ace Combat 6, Beautiful Katamari, Eternal Sonata, the GTA4 DLC, and god knows how many behind the scenes moneyhats, Microsoft has shown over and over again that they're in this to aggressively steal games, developers, and marketshare from the old big players... not profit in the short term.
Microsoft will continue throwing bundles of cash at Japan. Some of it is sticking--Between idolmaster, Blue Dragon, outselling the Xbox classic, locking up the shmup market, and a few other minor victories, they're setting themselves up to at least have a toehold for try #3.
This is missing the forest for the trees. Tabris' credibility doesn't prove or falsify his claim.
I believe that it was not at all coincidental that the 'small period' you name was a hardware generation transition. There will be no remarkable upset in trends unless something very remarkable happens to cause it. And I'm not underestimating the impact of large, system selling franchises by saying that they are not enough to effect this by themselves. Especially not the ones we've known about for years.
Tabris said:
I believe that it was not at all coincidental that the 'small period' you name was a hardware generation transition. There will be no remarkable upset in trends unless something very remarkable happens to cause it. And I'm not underestimating the impact of large, system selling franchises by saying that they are not enough to effect this by themselves. Especially not the ones we've known about for years.
One thing that is against wii getting high profile games is that development cost doesn't matter much for titles that sell (or are expected to sell) big. For example let's look at a hypothetical situation where RE5 was wii exclusive.
wii sales
2 million sold
publisher revenue per game $40 (assume $10 licencing fee)
total revenue 80 million
total development budget 10 million?
net profit 70 million
this compares to:
PS360 sales
2 million sold
publisher revenue per game $50 (assume $10 licencing fee)
total revenue 100 million
total development budget 30 million?
net profit 70 million
No difference in profit even though they sold the same amount and the PS360 game cost 3times more, and the more a game sells the better it is for it to be PS360 instead of wii.
wii sales
2 million sold
publisher revenue per game $40 (assume $10 licencing fee)
total revenue 80 million
total development budget 10 million?
net profit 70 million
this compares to:
PS360 sales
2 million sold
publisher revenue per game $50 (assume $10 licencing fee)
total revenue 100 million
total development budget 30 million?
net profit 70 million
No difference in profit even though they sold the same amount and the PS360 game cost 3times more, and the more a game sells the better it is for it to be PS360 instead of wii.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
You might be insane, and maybe a little rabid, but dammit if I don't love your posts.Tabris said:
I've got the same problem with APF in the OT... I love being abused.
titiklabingapat
Member
gawd.clashfan said:
Eteric Rice
Member
clashfan said:
Fail.
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
You can't tell he's joking? It's just Mono logging on for kicks. Look at his avatar.Zerachiel said:
Some of the arguments in this thread are old and tired and excessively myopic.
Why do you people compare Wii's third party offerings (which have generally been shit) to 360's third party offerings which have had MUCH bigger budgets? It's laughable. I actually find it quite pathetic.
Many low-budget titles on 360, that target the hardcore, fall under the radar and flop. Not so many low-budget titles are successful, it seems, however. On Wii, many low-budget titles are successful, and many high-budget titles are successful. The only thing is, is that Nintendo are the only ones with the high-budgets on Wii.
In the hypothetical situation where the situation was reversed, and 360 has Wii level third party efforts and Wii had 360's third party blockbusters, despite Nintendo software being strong competition, Wii software sales on Wii would certainly be much higher than they are on 360.
And this is just speaking of US. In UK, Sega is kicking ass on Wii, in a major way - Nintendo is a distant second. Sega have games that work for the market over here (in UK).
Seriously, people are pointing to 3rd party software sales being better on 360 than they are on Wii, which means they're basically saying that games like COD4, Assassin's Creed, etc, have outsold niche titles like No More Heroes and ports of 3-4 year old games like RE4, suggesting that if these games were on 360, with no upgrades to their graphics (but still managed to hypothetically have Wii's control scheme), they'd sell as good as COD4 and Assassin's Creed. COD4 doesn't sell because it says Activision on the box, and AC doesn't sell because it says UbiSoft on the box, just how DK Jet Race didn't sell just because it had Nintendo on the box, but games like Brwal sell because they're perceived to be well made iterations in a popular franchise, and games like Wii Sports sell Wii's because it's a well made game that captured the imaginations of its target audience, so to speak.
I despise the 3rd part vs 1st party mentality. In so far as Nintendo is a tough competitor on Wii... Capcom, Activision, EA, Ubisoft, Konami, Microsoft, Take 2 are collectively MASSIVELY tough to compete with on 360. I mean, Nintendo is a big competitor on their system, but they're the only one on there. There's lots of aggressive competition on 360. IMHO, it's easier to sell a AAA third party game on Wii, as long as it receives the team, budget and promotion a big 360 game would receive.
When main installment, ground-up, big-budget GTA Wii, MGS Wii, DMC Wii, RE Wii, GHIV, FF Wii flop. And when a large proportion ground-up, budget-budget new IP from A-grade development studios (which don't exist atm) flop. When Wii has proven is can't sell blockbuster existing or new IP from third parties, then I will consider it a console with the "Nintendo effect".
Why do you people compare Wii's third party offerings (which have generally been shit) to 360's third party offerings which have had MUCH bigger budgets? It's laughable. I actually find it quite pathetic.
Many low-budget titles on 360, that target the hardcore, fall under the radar and flop. Not so many low-budget titles are successful, it seems, however. On Wii, many low-budget titles are successful, and many high-budget titles are successful. The only thing is, is that Nintendo are the only ones with the high-budgets on Wii.
In the hypothetical situation where the situation was reversed, and 360 has Wii level third party efforts and Wii had 360's third party blockbusters, despite Nintendo software being strong competition, Wii software sales on Wii would certainly be much higher than they are on 360.
And this is just speaking of US. In UK, Sega is kicking ass on Wii, in a major way - Nintendo is a distant second. Sega have games that work for the market over here (in UK).
Seriously, people are pointing to 3rd party software sales being better on 360 than they are on Wii, which means they're basically saying that games like COD4, Assassin's Creed, etc, have outsold niche titles like No More Heroes and ports of 3-4 year old games like RE4, suggesting that if these games were on 360, with no upgrades to their graphics (but still managed to hypothetically have Wii's control scheme), they'd sell as good as COD4 and Assassin's Creed. COD4 doesn't sell because it says Activision on the box, and AC doesn't sell because it says UbiSoft on the box, just how DK Jet Race didn't sell just because it had Nintendo on the box, but games like Brwal sell because they're perceived to be well made iterations in a popular franchise, and games like Wii Sports sell Wii's because it's a well made game that captured the imaginations of its target audience, so to speak.
I despise the 3rd part vs 1st party mentality. In so far as Nintendo is a tough competitor on Wii... Capcom, Activision, EA, Ubisoft, Konami, Microsoft, Take 2 are collectively MASSIVELY tough to compete with on 360. I mean, Nintendo is a big competitor on their system, but they're the only one on there. There's lots of aggressive competition on 360. IMHO, it's easier to sell a AAA third party game on Wii, as long as it receives the team, budget and promotion a big 360 game would receive.
When main installment, ground-up, big-budget GTA Wii, MGS Wii, DMC Wii, RE Wii, GHIV, FF Wii flop. And when a large proportion ground-up, budget-budget new IP from A-grade development studios (which don't exist atm) flop. When Wii has proven is can't sell blockbuster existing or new IP from third parties, then I will consider it a console with the "Nintendo effect".
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
It's probably beating it now.neptunes said:
brain_stew said:
And? Do you think Microsoft sought Mist Walker to make a killing? They were simply looking for a piece of the Japanese RPG market, something they've achieved to a small degree. Microsoft has proven that a JRPG can indeed sell well on an Xbox 360 and things are only going to get better as the install base grows.
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
Tabris said:
Ha, they forced that avatar on you? Either way, it still doesn't explain the change of posting style. You are not the tabris of yesteryear. Don't make me dig into your post history.
Son of Godzilla
Banned
Parl said:
Except that there's no reason to have expansive budgets on the Wii. Things get cheaper when you run with simpler models, lower resolution assets, and last-gen framework. UT3 is what, a cool million to license? Hell, even Activision thought people'd be fine with mono GH.
First of all, you have no idea if it broke even. Second, breaking even a month and a half after release isn't particularly the curse you seem to think it is.
CreatureX3
Member
LOL at all the people who try to dismiss Nintendo's domination. The perfect example of Nintendo's domination is the fact that both MS and Sony are scrambling to make their own version of the Wiimote! :lol
Saint Gregory
Member
Son of Godzilla said:
So now Wii doesn't deserve to have actual time and money invested in it's games because it's not as powerful as the PS360?
Please get this elitist shit out of here.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Canadia numbers yet?
frankie_baby
Member
AlphaSnake said:
we kinda had them earlier
andthebeatgoeson
Junior Member
clashfan said:
let me guess, you think only games which make it into the top 10 are the only games that count and the only ones that can turn a profit?
If there were any hardware whose game sales could be worrying it;s the PSP (talking overall, the impressive GOW and Crisis Core showings are an anomaly of sorts), the Wii is doing fine in software sales.
Rice-Eater
Member
Has anybody made a compilation of all the non top 10 numbers?