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[VIVIblkmgIc]

No, I think the joke is you for trying to bring mathematical precision to subjective reviews of entertainment products that will entertain people in different amounts.

He's been brought up before - Roger Ebert uses a four-star grading system. It doesn't mean 2-stars = 5/10.

No, I think you're just a joke. And a pretty incompetent troll.

 

[statham]

Love the scores, UC3 is on my Santa list. It was already on my list without these reviews, after how awesome UC2 was. Only thing I didn't like about UC2 was the gunplay(and it wasn't even bad maybe a-/b+), and it sounds like they fixed it.

 

[Kagari]

Great scores all around, as expected.

 

[Corto]

This thread is just further evidence that review scores in this industry need to die.

I think it's the evidence that review scores will never die.

 

[shuri]

wait, now people are resorting to making shit up about possible virus infection to stop people from visiting the site of a 8/10 review?

Viral marketing gone willldddd..

It's 8/10 people, its a fucking good review!

 

[StuBurns]

But the purpose of the truncated review scale is to eliminate those in-betweens. It's not like 5/5 is hiding a set of imaginary numbers. It's exactly equal to 10/10. No one should assume that a 5/5 = 9/10. That doesn't make sense.

The reason a 5/5 scale is used is to get away from the silliness of fractions of points being taken away or added, because how do you qualify that? What's the difference between a 94 or 95? Just say 100 and be done with it.

That doesn't change what the numbers literally represent.

It changes what it means to get the score. As you can tell from the scores they give, a 5/5 is not particularly rare at all, an IGN 10.0/10 is very rare.

It's like saying 1,000,000/1,000,000 is the same as a 3/3. They are both one hundred percent of the possible allocated score, but they represent two completely different things.

 

[Pranay]

Nobody can deny the fact that Uncharted 3 is more of the same, that also means more of the same good stuff but also the same flaws. That means every site giving it a 100 or 10 are joke sites and/or reviewers.

Combat and puzzles have improved

 

[Strike]

Was not expecting that from a G4 review. Really thought that was in the bag.

 

[ConradCervantes]

Thank you for that list of posters, Mama Robotnik. Unbelievable how seriously people take this stupid shit.

 

[Red]

That's the point: what the numbers literally represent are meaningless. It's the context within each individual review scale that holds meaning.

Well, yeah. So why bother even trying to quantify a whole number as a fraction of a percent? Just use the whole number scale as a reference, and the review as the supporting argument behind the score.

It changes what it means to get the score. As you can tell from the scores they give, a 5/5 is not particularly rare at all, an IGN 10.0/10 is very rare.

It's like saying 1,000,000/1,000,000 is the same as a 3/3. They are both one hundred percent of the possible allocated score, but they represent two completely different things.

Maybe they are perceived as different things, but without context your 1mil/1mil = 3/3 do both represent a single whole part.

I disagree with the idea that 5/5 can represent something except 100%, but I think I see where you're coming from.

If someone at GiantBomb wanted to give a game a 91/100 they wouldn't use the less granular 5 star system. But they do, so we can assume they don't even want to think about it in terms of a 100-point scale.

Yes, that's what I was trying to say. They don't operate on a 100-point scale. That's the purpose of moving to 1-5. But that doesn't change the numbers, it doesn't change the math behind them. It's just an easier way to assign a score without worrying about meaningless in-between variables.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

Nobody can deny the fact that Uncharted 3 is more of the same, that also means more of the same good stuff but also the same flaws. That means every site giving it a 100 or 10 are joke sites and/or reviewers.

I have to agree.

 

[LightofRohan]

Uncharted 2 benefited from the "refined sequel" syndrome. The first game did most the heavy lifting, leaving the sequel with a lot of room to perfect its formula and push its limits both creatively and technically.

Arkham City is currently benefiting from the same thing. Bioshock Infinite will likely be the next example.

Uncharted 3, on the other hand, has little room to grow technically..it has to rely on its script in order to deliver an experience that is simply more enjoyable, even if it's technically very similar. Lower scores are almost entirely the norm in this stage of a franchises life, even if most still herald the entry as the franchise's best. Most recent example would be Gears 3..maybe Rock Band 3 (haven't checked this one myself). It probably has something to do with the initial impact. The post-game breathlessness, if you so please.

That Uncharted 3 is probably STILL going to hit 95 on the metacritic is a massive surprise for me. I expected lower scores..but I still expected most people to say this was the best one.

Things are funny that way. Popular trilogies tend to be that way throughout any medium (so long as the third installment actually turns out good), or any successor to a wildly successful movie/game/book/tv show..etc. It'll probably happen with The Dark Knight Rises, for example.

Holy shit, you are so right.

Gears of War 2 - 93.32%
Gears of War 3 - 91.70%

Resistance 2 - 86.71%
Resistance 3 - 84.64%

Even though both GoW3 and RE3 are LEAGUE better than the 2nd.

 

[Uno Venova]

it is illogical to like linear games, what's your prob fool

EG thinks so, and I guess calling them out on it is frowned upon.

Nobody can deny the fact that Uncharted 3 is more of the same, that also means more of the same good stuff but also the same flaws. That means every site giving it a 100 or 10 are joke sites and/or reviewers.

That's wrong according to reviews and previews, hand to hand combat and puzzles are improved.

 

[Dragon]

Just been catching up. Wow at some of the participants in this thread.

Even in your most intense, eight-out-of-ten induced fanatic delirium over a game none of you have played, I still love you GAF.

Well you're wrong though. Plenty of us have played the multi-player.

 

[LeonSKennedy90]

Combat and puzzles have improved

But the linearity hasn't, apparently!

8/10

 

[Gafapastismo]

Nobody can deny the fact that Uncharted 3 is more of the same, that also means more of the same good stuff but also the same flaws. That means every site giving it a 100 or 10 are joke sites and/or reviewers.

You never disappoint us

 

[hey_it's_that_dog]

If someone at GiantBomb wanted to give a game a 91/100, they'd give it a 5/5, if they wanted to give it 100/100, they'd give it a 5/5. If IGN wanted to give a game a 91/100, they'd give it a 9.1, if they wanted to give it a 100/100, they'd give it a 10.0.

If someone at GiantBomb wanted to give a game a 91/100 they wouldn't use the less granular 5 star system. But they do, so we can assume they don't even want to think about it in terms of a 100-point scale.

 

[ThisWreckage]

Something is really awry in gaming journalism. Resistance 2 scored higher than Resistance 3 and Uncharted 3 will score lower than Uncharted 2. Ironically, both will be considered superior games (the ones that scored the lowest). This seriously needs to be remedied.

 

[Vire]

Thank you for that list of posters, Mama Robotnik. Unbelievable how seriously people take this stupid shit.

I smell a mass bann incoming.

 

[Cyberia]

Not much surprised by the given score from Simon Parkin.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/eurogamers-game-of-the-year-2009

That's all.

 

[Thoraxes]

I just can't take IGN's score seriously now that UC3 scored higher graphically than BF3 running on 2 580's.

UC3 is still going to be a good game though. Due to overload of games this season, I will be waiting till it drops to $30ish or so like I did with UC2, but I will definitely get it.

 

[diffusionx]

Resistance 2 - 86.71%
Resistance 3 - 84.64%

The idea that Resistance 2 is a "87%" type of game is literally laughable. Were reviewers afraid of getting their houses torched by Sony fanboys or something?

If someone at GiantBomb wanted to give a game a 91/100 they wouldn't use the less granular 5 star system. But they do, so we can assume they don't even want to think about it in terms of a 100-point scale.

And that's what makes Metacritic so dumb. They somehow intuit what GiantBomb really means in terms of 100 points.

I've read a lot - hundreds - of Roger Ebert's reviews over the years. Four stars for movie A can be quite different from four stars for movie B. but somehow people think it can be translated to a 10 point or grade-school or even 100 point scale. It's so dumb.

 

[Pranay]

I just can't take IGN's score seriously now that UC3 scored higher graphically than BF3 running on 2 580's.

UC3 is still going to be a good game though. Due to overload of games this season, I will be waiting till it drops to $30ish or so like I did with UC2, but I will definitely get it.

Different reviewers and different criteria

 

[wotter]

bonus sand pic to calm the masses:

Spoiler

http://i.imgur.com/EiAdm.jpg

edit: cleaned up

 

[iceatcs]

Just been catching up. Wow at some of the participants in this thread.

Even in your most intense, eight-out-of-ten induced fanatic delirium over a game none of you have played, I still love you GAF.

And welcome to neogaf again!

 

[rdrr gnr]

Combat and puzzles have improved

Could you elaborate on what they said, while keeping it spoiler-free? My biggest gripe with U2 was that the puzzles were severely lacking any need of mental faculty.

Are they harder? Longer?

Spoiler

Faster? Stronger?

Are there more of them?

 

[Dr. Malik]

The idea that Resistance 2 is a "87%" type of game is literally laughable. Were reviewers afraid of getting their houses torched by Sony fanboys or something?

It came out around the same time as Gears of War 2 when the console wars was at an all time high, so...

bonus sand pic to calm the masses:

ugh get that spoiler shit out of here

 

[CozMick]

wait, now people are resorting to making shit up about possible virus infection to stop people from visiting the site of a 8/10 review?

Viral marketing gone willldddd..

It's 8/10 people, its a fucking good review!

Woah, woah, woah, hold your horses.

That's not what I posted at all :\

Spoiler

that shit was a clear joke

 

[Gravijah]

bonus sand pic to calm the masses:

http://i.imgur.com/EiAdm.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]

what are those weird ovals on the screen!!!

 

[Vire]

I just can't take IGN's score seriously now that UC3 scored higher graphically than BF3 running on 2 580's.

UC3 is still going to be a good game though. Due to overload of games this season, I will be waiting till it drops to $30ish or so like I did with UC2, but I will definitely get it.

That's not how the rating system works. It's judged based on it's peers on the platform. Not what is currently available elsewhere on the market.

That's why a game like Mario Galaxy can still get a 9.5-10 in the graphics department because it is the shining example for the platform and what is capable of.

 

[strafer]

bonus sand pic to calm the masses:

 

[LightofRohan]

The idea that Resistance 2 is a "87%" type of game is literally laughable. Were reviewers afraid of getting their houses torched by Sony fanboys or something?

No clue... I'm playing through the SP right now and it's awful. But, it did add COOP and MP stuff - so maybe that pushed it over? I dunno.

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

I just can't take IGN's score seriously now that UC3 scored higher graphically than BF3 running on 2 580's.

UC3 is still going to be a good game though. Due to overload of games this season, I will be waiting till it drops to $30ish or so like I did with UC2, but I will definitely get it.

The games weren't reviewed by the same person

But yeah, I don't see how BF3 didn't get a 10 there. Unless everything we have seen in the trailers is an illusion, that's nonsense.

 

[darkwing]

bonus sand pic to calm the masses:

what is this?

eh those memes were tiring

 

[Sn4ke_911]

bonus sand pic to calm the masses:

Can you go everywhere you want?

ugh get that spoiler shit out of here

You didn't know there is sand in the game?

 

[Anteater]

what are those weird ovals on the screen!!!

They're invisible ninjas

Edit: ohh I see them now, those are absolute terror field.

 

[LProtag]

Does the gametrailers review spoil everything like usual?

 

[Jb]

Not much surprised by the given score from Simon Parkin.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/eurogamers-game-of-the-year-2009

That's all.

Wow. It's like if they had asked Jeff from giantbomb to review Dark souls.

 

[EloquentM]

Can you go everywhere you want?



You didn't know there is sand in the game?

you go over that sand dune and you die

 

[Patapwn]

Nobody can deny the fact that Uncharted 3 is more of the same, that also means more of the same good stuff but also the same flaws. That means every site giving it a 100 or 10 are joke sites and/or reviewers.

First off, flaws are a matter of opinion, not objective fact. What you call a flaw, others might call a plus. Second, you're making the assertion that games have to be flawless to achieve a 10/10. That might be your scale, evidently others have their own. And there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[darkwing]

Does the gametrailers review spoil everything like usual?

yeah spoilerish if you are on a media blackout

 

[Sn4ke_911]

you go over that sand dune and you die

Pre-order...

 

[EloquentM]

Pre-order...

re-enstated?

 

[Dragon]

That's not how the rating system works. It's judged based on it's peers on the platform. Not what is currently available elsewhere on the market.

That's why a game like Mario Galaxy can still get a 9.5-10 in the graphics department because it is the shining example for the platform.

Says who? The rating systems are subjective all over the place.

 

[ThisWreckage]

Another issue I have with scoring is that if Sessler gave the second game a 5/5 then shouldn't the third game receive the same score granted if it is just as good (it is likely better)?

 

[jackdoe]

Not much surprised by the given score from Simon Parkin.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/eurogamers-game-of-the-year-2009

That's all.

Jeez. Those are some harsh words directed at Uncharted 2! And what game in 2009 is equivalent to The Seventh Seal?

 

[iNvid02]

First off, flaws are a matter of opinion, not objective fact. What you call a flaw, others might call a plus. Second, you're making the assertion that games have to be flawless to achieve a 10/10. That might be your scale, evidently others have their own. And there is nothing wrong with that.

yep, no game can ever be perfect so having 10/10 or 100 represent perfection is pointless.

 

[LeonSKennedy90]

Not much surprised by the given score from Simon Parkin.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/eurogamers-game-of-the-year-2009

That's all.

"There's nothing wrong with a big, dumb feel-good matinee, and Uncharted 2 certainly deserved every accolade laid at its feet, but is that really what we're going to point to as our very medium's best in the last 12 months? Dead Nazis, yetis, stubble and one-liners? It's like picking The Temple of Doom over the Seventh Seal.

"As a piece of spectacle, Nathan Drake's rip-roaring adventure is certainly peerless in 2009: not even Modern Warfare 2's airport massacre scene could top its parade of arresting set-pieces. It's also a technical marvel, effortlessly outclassing anything else on the platform. Naughty Dog's gleeful trading of the washed-out, desaturated colour schemes that have characterised the mainstream gaming aesthetic for three years for exuberant high-contrast tones bespeaks the developer's wider aim: a celebration of childlike wonder over try-hard maturity.

"But at the end of the rollercoaster ride, there's a nagging feeling: was I, the player, really an integral part of all that? Peel away the visuals and put a sock in Nolan North's mouth (so he can no longer win you over with his warm quips) and the systems that underpin Uncharted 2 are straightforward and lightweight. There are relatively few places for players to feel as though they're doing something particularly well or changing the story in tangible ways. It's closer to an interactive movie than we might wish to admit.

"It may be a stunning, game-changing interactive movie, but in its cozying up to the triumphs and techniques of that elder medium, there's a danger that Uncharted 2's success may take us away from the potential that videogaming has twitching in its womb."

I understand exactly what he's getting at and think he raises some valid points. I think someone earlier in the thread was talking about this very thing.

 

[Gafapastismo]

I don't understand how somebody can say that U3 does not deserve a 10 in graphics when several games already got the same score before with much worse graphics.

An example, MW2 got a 10 in graphics the same month than U2 got a 9.5

 

[Dragon]

Can you go everywhere you want?

Seriously? Your act is getting beyond tiring. The Uncharted series has never been about exploration.