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Digital Foundry: Monster Hunter Wilds - PS5 Pro Tech Review - The Best Way To Play On Consoles

viveks86

Member
That’s just my take. But I still find it hilarious that someone would go out of their way to give Capcom more money just because the game runs like crap on their PC. :messenger_beaming:
Who went out of their way? Who rushed out to buy a pro? He hasn’t even bought the game and is wondering where to play it and is anxious after the DF videos and steam reviews. Learn what the word “considering” means before trying to be condescending. I thought I could simply have a friendly interaction with you on what I heard from him and you have turned it into such an unpleasant exchange because you think you know better and the rest of us are just mindless fanboys. You have made your stance (and attitude) clear. No need to keep repeating it. Thanks!
 

Idleyes

Gold Member
Who went out of their way? Who rushed out to buy a pro?

My bad I missread all this shit you said earlier.

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Depends on who you are asking. Some people want to play at launch and would do anything for it. I've come across at least two PC gamers (with 4080 tier cards) who are considering buying the pro just to play this game at launch. The thirst is real.

I'm so sorry. Can you please forgive me?
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viveks86

Member
My bad I missread all this shit you said earlier.

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I'm so sorry. Can you please forgive me?
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The launch is today, right? Would we have saved this entirely pointless exchange if I said launch week or launch month? You were talking about a long waiting game and I was saying some people don’t want to wait that long. That’s it.
 
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Idleyes

Gold Member
The launch is today, right? Would we have saved this entirely pointless exchange if I said launch week or launch month?

No, this whole exchange could’ve been avoided if you just shrugged off the fact that I find it funny. Nothing you post is going to change the fact that I already laughed, it's in the past, and there’s no rewind button to take it back. Hug your imaginary friends and move on. We good. I ain't mad at you.
 

viveks86

Member
Ummm the post you responded to?

This is what Tqaulity Tqaulity said:

"I'm sure they'll improve it on PC with further optimization via patches eventually but the console version is much more optimized at the moment."

And your response was:

"This ain't some Wild West quick draw showdown, bruh."

So you are suggesting that PC would eventually get better, which is a reasonable response. I was sharing an anecdote where a friend doesn't want to wait for patches. And that's coming after I had already seen a similar concern on the ERA PC performance thread for someone with a 4080, where it's already pages and pages of people freaking out. So yes, at least 2 people. That's all I meant.

Has nothing to do with some console vs PC bullshit narrative that you are trying to drag me into. I'm not interested in that war.
 

Three

Member
No, this whole exchange could’ve been avoided if you just shrugged off the fact that I find it funny. Nothing you post is going to change the fact that I already laughed, it's in the past, and there’s no rewind button to take it back. Hug your imaginary friends and move on. We good. I ain't mad at you.


Bro why are you making shit up?You didn't just find it funny. You called him invested in one system (basically another way of saying fanboy), and said he's making stuff up with false claims in so many words:
Come on, man, you know people start making stuff up when they’re invested in one system. I couldn’t care less what anyone plays on, but claiming that someone with a 4080 is suddenly eyeing a PlayStation just because of performance issues on Monster Hunter Wilds is straight-up ridiculous.
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It wasn't just shrugging off you finding that funny for whatever reason.
 
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Idleyes

Gold Member
Bro why are you making shit up?You didn't just find it funny. You called him invested in one system (basically another way of saying fanboy), and said he's making stuff up with false claims in so many words:

I still think it’s completely reasonable to believe that’s exactly what happened. I think you're seeing something that is not there.
 

Three

Member
I still think it’s completely reasonable to believe that’s exactly what happened. I think you're seeing something that is not there.
As opposed to you who took somebody's opinion and decision and jumped to conclusions that it couldn't possibly be true?
 

viveks86

Member


Bro why are you making shit up?You didn't just find it funny. You called him invested in one system (basically another way of saying fanboy), and said he's making stuff up with false claims in so many words:


It wasn't just shrugging off you finding that funny for whatever reason.

Thank man. But I need to go hug my imaginary friend now. Soon, you might have to as well.
 

Killer8

Member
Sounds like some may not understand the value of the 1% which is really more important than the average frame rate. You need to see the 1% low in the context of the average to gauge how "consistent" the performance is. It's only 1% tho right? Well what could that look like:

For example, let's say you have a GPU that renders 1000 frames. 1% of 1000 is 10 frames right? Well let's say that the GPU is rendering at ~100fps (10ms/frame) which implies roughly 10s to complete the 1000 frames. However, let's say that the 1% low is only 60fps (~16ms/frame). That means that 10/1000 frames will render ~60% slower than the "average" in this example (extreme but just to illustrate the point). Well at ~100fps, that actually looks like 10 huge frametime spikes (10ms - 16ms) over a span of 10secs. That's roughly 1 huge frametime spike every sec for 10 seconds. That would yield an absolutely atrocious gameplay experience despite the average being close to 100fps.

That example was a bit extreme to illustrate my point but make no mistake, the 1% low number is extremely impactful to the true performance of a game and the overall experience you will get. Ideally, the 1% low would be very close or equal to the average which will yield the most consistent and smooth experience (i.e a locked FPS). Practically it's almost never equal but the closer, the better. More optimized games will generally have those numbers be closer to each other. On the other hand, you get this nonsense:

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Here the average is clearly ~60fps but the 1% low is closer to 50. Those frametime spikes are horrible and completely ruin the experience (as Alex from DF clearly articulated in the video).

Fact remains that the console performance here is very consistent, where the 30, 40, and 60fps targets don't diverge much. The result is a much better feeling game than the PC experience with the wildly variable frametimes. I'm sure they'll improve it on PC with further optimization via patches eventually but the console version is much more optimized at the moment.

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People just can't admit that a framerate advantage means absolutely nothing if it hitches.

This is the legacy of the PC platform this generation.
 

Idleyes

Gold Member
As opposed to you who took somebody's opinion and decision and jumped to conclusions that it couldn't possibly be true?
Thank man. But I need to go hug my imaginary friend now. Soon, you might have to as well.

It’s not that buying a PS5 is inherently wrong, but the context makes it hilarious, they’re willing to drop big money on a console for a temporary issue, even though their high-end PC will soon outperform it.

By your own logic, the PC version will eventually get a patch, which, honestly, could drop any second now, maybe even tomorrow. I just found that funny and still think the whole story was made up just to rack up some console warrior achievement points.

It's really not that complicated. I've said everything I can on this, and anything more would just be repeating myself. I found it hilarious, made my jokes, laughed, and still think it's a BS story. Nothing you say is going to change that.
 

S0ULZB0URNE

Member
This statement depends on details you haven't provided. That said, to the credit of the post you're replying to, it's widely known that well-optimized games tend to look and perform significantly better on PC. Right now, in my opinion, Monster Hunter Wilds plays better on the PS5 Pro, at least for those experiencing serious issues on PC.

That’s just my take. But I still find it hilarious that someone would go out of their way to give Capcom more money just because the game runs like crap on their PC. :messenger_beaming:
Performance and looks being better is still not enough to make a version the better 'experience' like he claimed.

I play on multiple gaming devices including superior to PS5 Pro speced PC's but still overall prefer my Pro's 'experience'
 

Idleyes

Gold Member
Performance and looks being better is still not enough to make a version the better 'experience' like he claimed.

I play on multiple gaming devices including superior to PS5 Pro speced PC's but still overall prefer my Pro's 'experience'

Do y’all even listen to yourselves? At least say something like, “I appreciate the lower level of cheating on PS5” or “The controller feels way better.” It just makes sense to add some context when you say stuff like, “It performs and looks better on PC, but I have a better experience on PS5".
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But let me guess, you’re going to take that as a rebuttal and go ahead and make a complete fool of yourself, right?
 
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After playing and testing Balanced mode and Resolution mode, I sincerely can't see any improvement graphically over the Beta. Did thr Beta have a Balanced mode? I just played the Beta in the default which I believe was Resolution and comparing that to what we have now I see no difference ...

I haven't played Performance mode, neither the Beta nor the retail version, since I refuse to play games at 1080p on my Ps5 PRO. What is the supposed improvement from the Beta in the two modes i mentioned? The texture quality is just awful in every mode and still is since the Beta. The game is washed out still too and I'm not seeing a clear increase in resolution ....

It's the texture quality that is ruining this games visuals ....I don't have a problem with the iq in resolution mode ...it's softer than most games but not terribly so and there's no really nasty artifacting compared to a game like Silent Hill or Alan Wake 2. Balanced mode is softer than resolution.

Is there no hope for an HD texture pack for the Pro?? Doesn't Resolution mode at 30 fps have enough overhead that this game should be able to run higher textures? At least on the Pro ....the ground, npc outfits, and rocks are just so devoid of texture detail
 

S0ULZB0URNE

Member
Do y’all even listen to yourselves? At least say something like, “I appreciate the lower level of cheating on PS5” or “The controller feels way better.” It just makes sense to add some context when you say stuff like, “It performs and looks better on PC, but I have a better experience on PS5".
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But let me guess, you’re going to take that as a rebuttal and go ahead and make a complete fool of yourself, right?
Are you still not accepting people's preferences?

I don't got to say any of that nor give a rebuttal cause you haven't made a argument.

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After playing and testing Balanced mode and Resolution mode, I sincerely can't see any improvement graphically over the Beta. Did thr Beta have a Balanced mode? I just played the Beta in the default which I believe was Resolution and comparing that to what we have now I see no difference ...

I haven't played Performance mode, neither the Beta nor the retail version, since I refuse to play games at 1080p on my Ps5 PRO. What is the supposed improvement from the Beta in the two modes i mentioned? The texture quality is just awful in every mode and still is since the Beta. The game is washed out still too and I'm not seeing a clear increase in resolution ....

It's the texture quality that is ruining this games visuals ....I don't have a problem with the iq in resolution mode ...it's softer than most games but not terribly so and there's no really nasty artifacting compared to a game like Silent Hill or Alan Wake 2. Balanced mode is softer than resolution.

Is there no hope for an HD texture pack for the Pro?? Doesn't Resolution mode at 30 fps have enough overhead that this game should be able to run higher textures? At least on the Pro ....the ground, npc outfits, and rocks are just so devoid of texture detail
The Pro has the same amount of memory as the Amateur so there's no reason to expect a High Resolution Texture Pack for Pro
 

Killjoy-NL

Member
Do y’all even listen to yourselves? At least say something like, “I appreciate the lower level of cheating on PS5” or “The controller feels way better.” It just makes sense to add some context when you say stuff like, “It performs and looks better on PC, but I have a better experience on PS5".
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But let me guess, you’re going to take that as a rebuttal and go ahead and make a complete fool of yourself, right?
I think "experience" is key to what he said.

Which makes sense, because this PC drama clearly takes away from the overall experience, as I don't think console gamers are complaining to the same extent as PC gamers atm.
 

Bojji

Member
Do y’all even listen to yourselves? At least say something like, “I appreciate the lower level of cheating on PS5” or “The controller feels way better.” It just makes sense to add some context when you say stuff like, “It performs and looks better on PC, but I have a better experience on PS5".
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But let me guess, you’re going to take that as a rebuttal and go ahead and make a complete fool of yourself, right?

You can use Dual Sense on PC so that argument goes out of the window, haha.

But yeah, everyone will play this on whatever hardware they want and own.
 
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Idleyes

Gold Member
You can use Dual Sense on PC so that argument goes out of the window, haha.

But yeah, everyone will play this on whatever hardware they want and own.

I was giving examples of adding context. What are you even talking about? Do you know how to read?
 

Idleyes

Gold Member
Are you still not accepting people's preferences?

It must be exhausting, constantly battling arguments of your own creation. If you're going to argue with me, at least have the decency to engage with what I actually said. This isn't the land of make-believe you grew up in.
 

ChiefDada

Member
The Pro has the same amount of memory as the Amateur so there's no reason to expect a High Resolution Texture Pack for Pro

Since the game was designed to leverage on demand texture streaming, my guess is that both base PS5 and Pro (and Series consoles) are already using highest texture quality. It would make sense since Oliver didn't mention anything about bad looking textures in his console performance video while Alex noted how even the "high" quality textures looked mediocre on PC.
 

Bojji

Member
I was giving examples of adding context. What are you even talking about? Do you know how to read?

People can have whatever reason to justify their platform of choice, what you said makes sense but doesn't mean that sometimes folks have complete nonsense reasons for that.

I have seen many times texts like "I prefer the controller on PS5/Pro" when in reality you can use that controller on PC.
 

Killer8

Member
You can use Dual Sense on PC so that argument goes out of the window, haha.

But yeah, everyone will play this on whatever hardware they want and own.

When people say "they prefer the controller on PS5" what they are really saying is:

I prefer how I don't need to fuck around with drivers, dongles and Steam compatibility issues to get it working.
I prefer being able to enjoy the full haptic feature set wirelessly without having to tether myself to USB.
I prefer being able to press the share button to easily capture screenshots/record video and then press another button to effortlessly review those captures in the system UI.

These are small things but they add up to create a better, less annoying end user experience.
 

Bojji

Member
When people say "they prefer the controller on PS5" what they are really saying is:

I prefer how I don't need to fuck around with drivers, dongles and Steam compatibility issues to get it working.
I prefer being able to enjoy the full haptic feature set wirelessly without having to tether myself to USB.
I prefer being able to press the share button to easily capture screenshots/record video and then press another button to effortlessly review those captures in the system UI.

These are small things but they add up to create a better, less annoying end user experience.

All valid reasons.

For games not negatively recognizing Dual Sense you have to use Steam or app that will emulate Xbox controller. With Xbox emulation you can get that screenshot functionality. But good BT support with all features? I don't know if it can be done.

I use Series S controller on PC and it's pretty much perfect for everything.
 
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Mr Moose

Member
You can use Dual Sense on PC so that argument goes out of the window, haha.

But yeah, everyone will play this on whatever hardware they want and own.
Does this have the correct buttons displaying? I don't think Rise does. Gets a bit confusing sometimes when seeing Xbox prompts using a 8BitDo Ultimate with Switch config on it :messenger_weary:
 

S0ULZB0URNE

Member
It must be exhausting, constantly battling arguments of your own creation. If you're going to argue with me, at least have the decency to engage with what I actually said. This isn't the land of make-believe you grew up in.
What you actually said...
I and a few others did point out the policing.
You eventually repented see the quote below.
You're overdoing it, I’m already past this. Hand on heart, it still sounds dumb to me, which is why I think it was made up. No offense, but claiming two people with 4080s rushed out to buy a PS5 and MHW just because it won’t run optimally on their PC is a ridiculous reason to get a PS5. Thus why I couldn't help but think it was made up just to win warrior achievement points.

I don’t see why they wouldn’t have bought a PS5 for plenty of other solid reasons, especially if money isn’t an issue. It simply sounds hilarious to me, full stop. Still laughing at the thought.

Edit: And proof wouldn't change my opinion. So it's not required.

That's nice. Doesn't change the fact it's freaking hilarious to me.

This statement depends on details you haven't provided. That said, to the credit of the post you're replying to, it's widely known that well-optimized games tend to look and perform significantly better on PC. Right now, in my opinion, Monster Hunter Wilds plays better on the PS5 Pro, at least for those experiencing serious issues on PC.

That’s just my take. But I still find it hilarious that someone would go out of their way to give Capcom more money just because the game runs like crap on their PC. :messenger_beaming:

Depending on an individual users experience? Absolutely possible.
You should of said this from the start but chose another route.
No, this whole exchange could’ve been avoided if you just shrugged off the fact that I find it funny. Nothing you post is going to change the fact that I already laughed, it's in the past, and there’s no rewind button to take it back. Hug your imaginary friends and move on. We good. I ain't mad at you.

It’s not that buying a PS5 is inherently wrong, but the context makes it hilarious, they’re willing to drop big money on a console for a temporary issue, even though their high-end PC will soon outperform it.

By your own logic, the PC version will eventually get a patch, which, honestly, could drop any second now, maybe even tomorrow. I just found that funny and still think the whole story was made up just to rack up some console warrior achievement points.

It's really not that complicated. I've said everything I can on this, and anything more would just be repeating myself. I found it hilarious, made my jokes, laughed, and still think it's a BS story. Nothing you say is going to change that.

Do y’all even listen to yourselves? At least say something like, “I appreciate the lower level of cheating on PS5” or “The controller feels way better.” It just makes sense to add some context when you say stuff like, “It performs and looks better on PC, but I have a better experience on PS5".
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But let me guess, you’re going to take that as a rebuttal and go ahead and make a complete fool of yourself, right?
What was actually said.
 
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Idleyes

Gold Member
What you actually said...
I and a few others did point out the policing.
You eventually repented see the quote below.







You should of said this from the start but chose another route.





What was actually said.
Not sure what you think I said, because I have no idea how your brain works.. so I'll sum it up again. Basically, I think it’s hilarious that someone would buy a PS5 just because Monster Hunter Wilds isn’t running well on their high-end PC. It sounds ridiculous, and I honestly doubt the story is even real, probably just made up for console war points. Sure, people have their reasons for choosing a console (as have I), but if their PC is that powerful, a patch will likely fix the issue soon. Dropping big money over a temporary problem? Funny to me. At the end of the day, I already laughed, my opinion isn’t changing, and arguing won’t undo that.

I have no clue where you're getting this whole "policing" angle from, opinions aren’t law enforcement. Everyone has them, so just move on already. I’m not trying to change your mind about thinking it’s reasonable to buy a PS5 in this situation. I just found it funny and laughed. But for some reason, you seem bothered that I laughed at all. Which is ok... You'll be alright. You'll live.
 

S0ULZB0URNE

Member
Not sure what you think I said, because I have no idea how your brain works.. so I'll sum it up again. Basically, I think it’s hilarious that someone would buy a PS5 just because Monster Hunter Wilds isn’t running well on their high-end PC. It sounds ridiculous, and I honestly doubt the story is even real, probably just made up for console war points. Sure, people have their reasons for choosing a console (as have I), but if their PC is that powerful, a patch will likely fix the issue soon. Dropping big money over a temporary problem? Funny to me. At the end of the day, I already laughed, my opinion isn’t changing, and arguing won’t undo that.

I have no clue where you're getting this whole "policing" angle from, opinions aren’t law enforcement. Everyone has them, so just move on already. I’m not trying to change your mind about thinking it’s reasonable to buy a PS5 in this situation. I just found it funny and laughed. But for some reason, you seem bothered that I laughed at all. Which is ok... You'll be alright. You'll live.
The way most of what you wrote is in a if someone owns a powerful PC but prefers the PS5/Pro experience something is wrong.
That is what I meant by policing.

Even this newer above perspective of a person buying a PlayStation because of the PC version issues is wrong is policing.
Keep in mind I find doing this a bit crazy as well but who am I?

All I can akin this to is when a person buys a console for one time type(which I have done a few times in the past yikes)
 

viveks86

Member
Man, I opened a Pandora’s box and the damn thing just won’t close.

Everyone, I’m a lying console fanboy with schizophrenia and imaginary friends. I’ve fully embraced this, hugged them and told them everything will be fine. I’d still like to follow this thread for actual performance related discussions. Sorry to all who got caught up in this. Not going to tell you what to do, but I just don’t think this is worth anyone’s time.
 

Mr Moose

Member
Man, I opened a Pandora’s box and the damn thing just won’t close.

Everyone, I’m a lying console fanboy with schizophrenia and imaginary friends. I’ve fully embraced this, hugged them and told them everything will be fine. I’d still like to follow this thread for actual performance related discussions. Sorry to all who got caught up in this. Not going to tell you what to do, but I just don’t think this is worth anyone’s time.
 

Idleyes

Gold Member
Man, I opened a Pandora’s box and the damn thing just won’t close.

Everyone, I’m a lying console fanboy with schizophrenia and imaginary friends. I’ve fully embraced this, hugged them and told them everything will be fine. I’d still like to follow this thread for actual performance related discussions. Sorry to all who got caught up in this. Not going to tell you what to do, but I just don’t think this is worth anyone’s time.

Passive aggressive head ass.
 
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