Support NeoGAF

[adamsapple]

​

Rich Leadbetter, John Linneman and Oliver Mackenzie combine their impressions and tests to deliver the Digital Foundry verdict on the PlayStation 5 Pro. How does the console improve PS5 and PS4 games? How good is PSSR based on testing across a range of games? And what of the enhanced RT features? Everything you need to know is right here.


0:00:00 Overview
0:01:00 Hardware impressions
0:05:44 8K support and display options
0:15:11 PS4 image quality enhancement
0:20:13 Game boost - Elden Ring and GPU bound games
0:34:38 Game boost - CPU bound games
0:38:35 Ray tracing upgrades
0:45:06 PSSR testing
1:00:41 Power consumption
1:07:52 Overall impressions - is PS5 Pro worth the money?

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

This video is private.

 

[funking giblet]

Video has been pulled.

 

[adamsapple]

This video is private.

Video has been pulled.

huh that's strange

 

[Gaiff]

Lol, watching the video now. Won’t refresh I guess.

 

[Bojji]

 

[Dr.D00p]

Lol...someone's fucked up at DF tower.

 

[lh032]

thats quite an improvement.
Hopfully theres actual PRO patch.

 

[Bojji]

thats quite an improvement.
Hopfully theres actual PRO patch.

30% seems to be norm here.

 

[Gaiff]

thats quite an improvement.
Hopfully theres actual PRO patch.

Lol, it’s From. I wouldn’t hold my breath.

 

[adamsapple]

30% seems to be norm here.

How the fuck is FF16 not locked 60 at 1080p

 

[Calverz]

What's the TLDW? I don't watch digital foundry due to their bias.

 

[adamsapple]

What's the TLDW? I don't watch digital foundry due to their bias.

It's an hour long video, i ain't summarizing that

Their verdict is that you pay more for more performance and for the 20% audience who wants it, this will be a good console, or something thereabout.

 

[Bojji]

CPU limit:

 

[Radical_3d]

Must… resist… the urge to buy a regular one to play earlier…

 

[ElFenomeno]

Skimmed through it. No comments about noise levels?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Skimmed through it. No comments about noise levels?

Its just as quiet as my launch day PS5

 

[GymWolf]

CPU limit:

Any hope of gta6 at locked 60 is basically dead.
Hopefully the sony first parties are gonna have better improvements because this looks pretty dire for a 920 euros hardware.

 

[lh032]

CPU limit:

fuck yes!!! theres improvement, i was right!!!

3fps yipeeee!!!

i'll take that.

 

[Midn1ght]

Still watching it, for the image enhancer stuff in bloodborne, main point is it doesn't solve the aliasing problem but UI looks 4k as fuck.

They then talk about Elden Ring and Boost Mode and it's not a locked 60 even on performance mode. Rich says it might be a problem with the game DRS system not knowing what to do with the extra power or the game being CPU limited in some area.

Boost mode works really well with Metaphor Refantazio though, basically a locked 60.
Silent Hill 2 also benefits from Boost Mode in performance mode, no more stutters and locked 60 with rare dips.

They then move on to CPU limited area in some games, Cyberpunk gets around 10% improvement around CPU bound area (market) gets to 60 in that area but not locked. Baldur's Gate also see small improvement (between 6 and 10%) when running around a city (a well known CPU bound area), used to be between 35 and 40 fps on PS5, now it's between 40 and 45 fps.

RT is the next topic, they're happy to see RT in Alan Wake II and F1, patches for Hogward and GT7 not live yet.

PSSR is next: FF7 rebirth and Stellar Blade are great showcase for what PSSR can do, John is very happy with these 2 games. Demon's Souls also looks better (less noise). Not working well in Dragon Dogma, lot of shimmers, flickers and aliasing, it needs work. Lot of noise and not solving the shimmers in Alan Wake II, Aliasing in motion can be reduced by turning motion blur off, also need work. They are very positive about PSSR but some games need more work.

Power consumption gets higher when RT is on obviously (F1 game goes up to 240W with RT on) but overall they are very impress with how efficient and quiet the console is.

Conclusion from DF:
John: Cons: It's a pricey console that should come with a disk drive. Pros: Nice improvement, fix a lot of problem, great for enthusiast.
Oliver: Cons: Not every games take advantage of it just yet (Alan Wake, Dragon Dogma, Dragon Age). Pros: RT and PSSR feel next gen, better jump that PS4 Pro was to PS4
Rich: Worry about future hardware price but acknowledge that while you pay more, this time, you clearly get more.

 

[lh032]

Any hope of gta6 at locked 60 is basically dead.
Hopefully the sony first parties are gonna have better improvements because this looks pretty dire for a 920 euros hardware.

what? that doesnt make sense. both are different games.
I can see that performance mode probably will reduce the number of pedestrians or something.

 

[Wooxsvan]

this is an UN-Patched game right? if so thats pretty impressive

 

[Bojji]

Power:

IQ in DA

this is an UN-Patched game right? if so thats pretty impressive

It's much worse than 6800, but maybe games have not full access to GPU without patch.

 

[RoboFu]

Still can't hit 60? Tsk tsk

 

[Gaiff]

this is an UN-Patched game right? if so thats pretty impressive

Unpatched, yeah.

Was hoping unpatched code would get much closer to a 45% boost. It seems they need to patch it to get the full power out of the GPU.

 

[twilo99]

Power:

IQ in DA

It's much worse than 6800, but maybe games have not full access to GPU without patch.

So PSSR only costs 30W? Not bad at all.

 

[Bojji]

Still can't hit 60? Tsk tsk

Performance mode runs better but still not 60fps locked.

So PSSR only costs 30W? Not bad at all.

For much bigger GPU power draw increase this low is impressive.

 

[DForce]

 

[FUBARx89]

Lol, it’s From. I wouldn’t hold my breath.

They kinda half arsed support for PS4 Pro & One X. So I wouldn't completely rule it out.

 

[Radical_3d]

IQ in DA

This is what basically cost me 1.100€. I hate the way FSR resolves transparency or movement. Or both. By the way barely mentioned but pretty impressive the size of the thang. My PS4 Pro was way bulkier than the launch PS4 and this one is even smaller than the launch PS5. Probably due to the N4 fabrication process but no doubt that, as a consumer, you pay dearly for that tech.

 

[SmokSmog]

Cerny said up to 45%* not 45% on average. You got tricked my marketing.
It's more like 30-35% faster in raster vs PS5 on average.

 

[Spiral1407]

Power:

IQ in DA

It's much worse than 6800, but maybe games have not full access to GPU without patch.

Finally, a console that draws more power than the launch PS3 lol (weird that the slim uses more power than the launch PS5 model too)

Honestly, this is pretty dire. £700 for ~30% extra performance is disappointing. They really should have improved the CPU.

 

[GymWolf]

what? that doesnt make sense. both are different games.
I can see that performance mode probably will reduce the number of pedestrians or something.

Yes they are different games and gta6 is gonna be even heavier on the cpu because it's an open world in a modern city with cars and hundreds of npcs with probably the most advanced npcs routine ever made, also, i don't want that, i want the best version with improved framerate and resolution, exactly what a pro console should do.

Also, i really don't see rockstar doing something like that, hell i'm pretty sure that the game is not gonna have any perf mode option and that it just gonna run better on pro after the patch.
I really don't see rockstar wasting time trying to squeeze a perf mode on these old consoles, the game is gonna sell gangbuster and no one is gonna give a single fuck about a perf mode.

 

[DanielG165]

Lol, it’s From. I wouldn’t hold my breath.

Yup. Brute force with lackluster optimization is the name of the game with them lol.

 

[Dr.D00p]

What's the TLDW? I don't watch digital foundry due to their bias.

If they're 'biased' why the fuck do you care what they have to say?

FFS, the rank stupidity of console fanboys...

 

[thatJohann]

So DF took down their video. Anyone know why?

 

[twilo99]

For much bigger GPU power draw increase this low is impressive.

Yes they’ve done a very good job on that.

With some undervolting I can get my 6800xt down to ~240W at full load but I can never get my whole system bellow 300W mainly because of the CPU.

I really like what I’m seeing in terms of performance per watt here.. much better than the non “pro”

 

[DanielG165]

They really should have improved the CPU.

I feel like if they did update or change the CPU, then that’d essentially make it a next gen console. As we’ve seen last gen with the mid gen pro machines, the CPU really isn’t touched.

 

[lh032]

But i don't want that, i want the best version with improved framerate and resolution, exactly what a pro console should do.

Also, i really don't see rockstar doing something like that, hell i'm pretty sure that the game is not gonna have any perf mode option and that it just gonna run better on pro after the patch.
I really don't see rockstar wasting time trying to squeeze a perf mode on these old consoles, the game is gonna sell gangbuster and no one is gonna give a single fuck about a perf mode.

PS5 Players Choose Performance Mode 75% of the Time

Peak performance

www.pushsquare.com

 

[mckmas8808]

I feel like if they did update or change the CPU, then that’d essentially make it a next gen console. As we’ve seen last gen with the mid gen pro machines, the CPU really isn’t touched.

Exactly!

 

[twilo99]

I feel like if they did update or change the CPU, then that’d essentially make it a next gen console. As we’ve seen last gen with the mid gen pro machines, the CPU really isn’t touched.

Big mistake .. that zen2 in there is a horrible choice for a gaming machine in 2025

 

[blastprocessor]

30% seems to be norm here.

Unpatched in the case of Elden.

 

[tommib]

Quality mode mostly stays in VRR windows and is now very useful. I think we can say the Pro is the ultimate VRR console now.

Performance is mostly locked to 60 dropping 2 or 3 frames here and there.

Is quality mode native 4K?

 

[balls of snow]

Ps5 boost mode is decent. Metaphor run at lock 60, ER run at above 50 fps pretty much all the time, Ghostwire Tokyo 60 fps in quality mode.

 

[GymWolf]

PS5 Players Choose Performance Mode 75% of the Time

Peak performance

www.pushsquare.com

Gta6 is not a normal game, people are gonna buy the game anyway even without a perf mode, this is what i tried to say, of course if there is a perf mode, some people are gonna chose it, dah, that was not my point.

But if there is none, the game is not gonna lose a single client because people have been waiting for this thing for 10 years, i don't see ANYONE hyped for the game not buying it because it doesn't have a perf mode, hard to think otherwise, maybe if it was any other game, but not the damn gta6.

So yeah rockstar have zero interest in making a perf mode that probably require a lot of time and betatesting, they are elite enough to do the fuck they want and people are still gonna buy their game en masse, you know it, i know it.

 

[Bojji]

Metaphor is 60fps locked on Pro

 

[Luipadre]

This is what basically cost me 1.100€. I hate the way FSR resolves transparency or movement. Or both. By the way barely mentioned but pretty impressive the size of the thang. My PS4 Pro was way bulkier than the launch PS4 and this one is even smaller than the launch PS5. Probably due to the N4 fabrication process but no doubt that, as a consumer, you pay dearly for that tech.

Same, looks much better than that horrible fsr

 

[DJ12]

So DF took down their video. Anyone know why?

Probably because something is wrong with it at a guess.

 

[mansoor1980]

Metaphor is 60fps locked on Pro

we need patches

 

[Elios83]

Seems great, will watch tonight.