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EGM/1UP steals the blood and sweat of hardcore gamers?
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JohnnyKorea
Member
Holy lord, why are the ending videos posted in the guide?!
Aruarian Reflection
Chauffeur de la gdlk
chinmonster said:
That's very well and good, but what's going to happen to Richard Li?
RevenantKioku
PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS oh god i am drowning in them
SnowWolf said:
Does anything have to happen? It doesn't seem he has a track record of this, and I'm sure if it were to happen again, he'd be gone fast.
I think during the next episode of the 1up show, Richard Li should be bent over while the rest of the 1up staff takes turns spanking his exposed buttocks with a ping pong paddle. And with tears in his eyes, he should be forced to look into the camera and confess: "Unlike everyone else at 1up, I'm not perfect."
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
I think for the next episode of the 1UP show they should take one of these ideas without asking so we can do this all over again 
But uh, yeah, you can use mine. I HATH GIVEN YOU PERMISSION.
But uh, yeah, you can use mine. I HATH GIVEN YOU PERMISSION.
VeryHungryCaterpillar
Member
DCharlie said:
Wait. So "it isn't stealing if you didn't mean it" plus half sincere apologies and credit given ftw?
chinmonster
Member
I agree that nothing needs to be done to Richard. It's a fecking strategy guide, not a review or a feature. It's been corrected nicely, and that's all that needs to happen, imo.
krypt0nian
Banned
sp0rsk said:
Seriously....damn GAF is an angry GAF today....
V
Vennt
Unconfirmed Member
Credit where credit is due, 1UP did the right thing, kudos, end of story, period.
MomoPufflet
Member
I like the "we didn't steal info or anything, we're just crediting because we're nice" approach. Classy.
Joseph Merrick
Member
By your powers combined you are captain obviously somewhat retarded for not seeing that 1up's handled this very well.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
that's not what i'm saying at all. And how do you know it's half sincere?! please.
1up went to talk to DOAC - now i'm not saying they deserve a medal, but they at least DID what the SHOULD have done. Some other sites might not have bothered and would have futher upset DOAC. Instead a compromise was reached. One that obviously appeased DOAC who were the "wronged" party - so i'm not sure why the rest of you are continuing to leak liquids over this.
Seriously, some of you are looking for drama.
Regardless, lets say that Richards brief was this :
"Play DOA4 for two weeks, get good at it, and then write a guide for people who don't understand the game"
(Something i went looking for over at DOAC, and could only finds in dribs and drabs)
I'm sure Rich went to a number of sites to get a leg up and started a guide. What is he supposed to do ? Discard the info he finds out is useful?
The ONE oversite was that Richard didn't say "as part of this research i went to site a, b, and c" - and that's it. No firing is required and if DOAC were mortally offended then they would have not granted permission for 1up to republish.
Also : it's a good combined guide for noobs who don't want to go through posts and articles on every aspect of every techinque. DOAC was helpful for me, but i couldn't find a combined n00b guide. Check out some of the responses initially at DOAC - a number of people seemed to actually LIKE the guide before the uproar started.
The Faceless Master
Member
i dunno about the others, but VirtuaPai was more upset about Mr. Li not giving credit more than anything. VPai loves the idea of more people reading up on good strats for DOA.
Aruarian Reflection
Chauffeur de la gdlk
An interview with VirtuaPai has been posted on GameDaily: http://xbox360.gamedaily.com/game/features/?gameid=2646&id=870&p=2&p=3&p=4&p=3&p=2&page=1
Aruarian Reflection
Chauffeur de la gdlk
As for Sam Kennedy's wrap-up:
Nearly all of the guide was written by Richard Li? What a joke. I also don't like the arrogant attitude 1up has towards "fan forums", as if their information isn't as valuable. This whole thing has soured my opinion of 1up, but at least Sam did make some effort to talk to the DoAC guys. I give their handling of the situation a 4/10 -- "Broken" according to the 1up scale.
Nearly all of the guide was written by Richard Li? What a joke. I also don't like the arrogant attitude 1up has towards "fan forums", as if their information isn't as valuable. This whole thing has soured my opinion of 1up, but at least Sam did make some effort to talk to the DoAC guys. I give their handling of the situation a 4/10 -- "Broken" according to the 1up scale.
chinmonster
Member
SnowWolf said:
It's unprofessional to lift stuff from a guide, and it's unprofessional to post an interview about a competing website doing such a thing when the issue has been resolved.
Those are some pretty low tactics, imo. It's one thing to post about it in a forum, but to post an interview dedicated to how 1up screwed up? Lame. And EGM is still being dragged into it.
It really bothers me that everyone is acting as if this is the fault of the entire 1up staff and upper management. There's no way in hell for them to check stuff like that before it's posted. It was purely the fault of the author, not the whole site.
And it's a guide . I can't believe people are saying that the last EGM editorial is now ironic over the lifting of a guide. The editorial was talking about a whole separate issue (the exchange of coverage and favorable review scores for advertising dollars, etc.).
Needless to say, I no longer respect GameDaily as I once did.
CamHostage
Member
Is all this over the actual text of the guide, or a moves list? If it's over the moves list? If it's the strategies, then that's bad, but if they're crying that the moves list was cribbed ... how the fuck can you NOT crib a moves list? That's fact. It's not like he would have found 700 1UP exclusive moves by searching on his own. A little credit maybe if there's no official guide out yet and somebody had to hand-tap the moves, but don't the game makers usually give out move lists to pro sites anyway? A lot of them do, same goes for cheats, as I understand.
Lost Fragment
Obsessed with 4chan
I suspect a large memo was sent out, so hopefully people will pay more attention to that sort of thing and I won't have to feel suspicious whenever I check out their site.
Hearty totonka props to 1UP for the way they handled it. Would've been better if it didn't happen at all...but shit happens, even with high profile sites.
Hearty totonka props to 1UP for the way they handled it. Would've been better if it didn't happen at all...but shit happens, even with high profile sites.
MrAngryFace
Banned
God, whatever.
The interview with Virtuapai really makes Li look bad. Everyone wondering why copying a move list is a big deal should read it. It's not just copying how to do the moves, it's explaining how the move works, what it's good for and ranking them compared with moves from other characters. That's not just using Virtuapai's info as a starting point for his own research he just copied his opinions and strategy on the game as his own.
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Deleted member 1235
Unconfirmed Member
:lol this thread is more embarrassing for GAF than 1up. We all suck. All of us that don't suck, suck by association with the people that do suck in this thread. LAME.
DCharlie said:
Rich Li should've known that this was a grave mistake (i.e. somebody at 1up should have told him so it wasn't emphasized). If this was a clear innocent mistake like you suggest, I say the situation should be put the end now.
Only thing that I don't agree with your post is that you sound to brush-off this incident as a harmless error. While it may be so, it should be acknowledged that the action (plagiarism) per se is a horrible one. People in publishing and literature get fired/excommunicated for this kind of stuff. Heck, students at my college get expelled for mere accidental "oversite" like this (reminding them in the process that he or she should've known better).
EDIT: I thought Sam Kennedy's explanation at 1up was a good one.
FortNinety
Member
Okay, I hate to (sorta) derail this topic, but I have to ask: Matlock, what is your problem?
I ask because I see my name was thrown into this thread on page one for no good reason other than some anti-1UP statements I've stated somewhere else. Make no mistake... I still stick to what I've said, but I have to wonder what those sentiments have to do with this precise matter. Actually, I can see a connection, so again, here's not the problem.
My beef is with you Matlock, with your aforementioned detective work. I guess I wouldn't have such a issue if not for the fact that you've established yourself quite clearly as someone who couldn't give two shits about video game journalism, that its a joke, and that to care about it sintegrity is a pointless waste of time and energy. And yet you get involved by reviewing titles for the main site, yet again with the "this is so stupid!" attitude, without an ounce of seriousness to the task at hand. I'm not saying that reviewing games (in your case, bad games, which I guess is what you prefer) is like curing cancer, but you've IMed me in the past to see if a review your working on has enough "zingers", and how you state that its just a hobby and that you're just in it for the free games, it just comes off a little... I dunno...peculiar.... when you then turn around and start calling people out, pulling shit from other sources (I really haven't check ever single post meticulously, but if I'm not mistaken, on page 2, you drudged something from someone else's past, some cached webpage or something), and stir shit up.
For a guy who seems to hate the whole world of video game journalism, you seem to have a real hard-on for impressing folks in the field. Do you like not have any real friends? Do you crave attention that much?
I know you've never been well liked, among both GAF regulars and mods.... yeah you troll, but like many others on the GAF, you bring up some pretty interesting stuff at times... we've chatted a bit, and you always seemed like, at the end of the day, like a pretty nice guy.
But now this. WTF.
And I know I'm not going to get a serious response, and again sorry to derail the thread with personal bullshit, plus I know I'm going to get banned, but I just had to say it.
I ask because I see my name was thrown into this thread on page one for no good reason other than some anti-1UP statements I've stated somewhere else. Make no mistake... I still stick to what I've said, but I have to wonder what those sentiments have to do with this precise matter. Actually, I can see a connection, so again, here's not the problem.
My beef is with you Matlock, with your aforementioned detective work. I guess I wouldn't have such a issue if not for the fact that you've established yourself quite clearly as someone who couldn't give two shits about video game journalism, that its a joke, and that to care about it sintegrity is a pointless waste of time and energy. And yet you get involved by reviewing titles for the main site, yet again with the "this is so stupid!" attitude, without an ounce of seriousness to the task at hand. I'm not saying that reviewing games (in your case, bad games, which I guess is what you prefer) is like curing cancer, but you've IMed me in the past to see if a review your working on has enough "zingers", and how you state that its just a hobby and that you're just in it for the free games, it just comes off a little... I dunno...peculiar.... when you then turn around and start calling people out, pulling shit from other sources (I really haven't check ever single post meticulously, but if I'm not mistaken, on page 2, you drudged something from someone else's past, some cached webpage or something), and stir shit up.
For a guy who seems to hate the whole world of video game journalism, you seem to have a real hard-on for impressing folks in the field. Do you like not have any real friends? Do you crave attention that much?
I know you've never been well liked, among both GAF regulars and mods.... yeah you troll, but like many others on the GAF, you bring up some pretty interesting stuff at times... we've chatted a bit, and you always seemed like, at the end of the day, like a pretty nice guy.
But now this. WTF.
And I know I'm not going to get a serious response, and again sorry to derail the thread with personal bullshit, plus I know I'm going to get banned, but I just had to say it.
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FortNinety said:
um, hello?
bishoptl said:
So you're the reason why we've got a conservative government now.
pilonv1 said:
I like how people say this as if it justifies things.
I also like how people act as if 1UP is incapable of doing anything untoward. But that's what happens when you buddy up with people who contribute to the place in question...bias clouds objectivity.
FortNinety: I don't care about you, I don't care about the quality of my writing, and I sure as hell don't care enough about 1up to hate it.
You know what I do care about, though? I care about something I call "journalistic integrity." What I do may be ass, but that's not the point--I'm HONEST. I'm not going around ripping off forum posts without so much as a cite (although that's been fixed, kudos), I'm not retelling suicide stories to make everyone look worse, because I just don't roll like that.
Also, yes, I'm a horrible attentiion whore.
You know what I do care about, though? I care about something I call "journalistic integrity." What I do may be ass, but that's not the point--I'm HONEST. I'm not going around ripping off forum posts without so much as a cite (although that's been fixed, kudos), I'm not retelling suicide stories to make everyone look worse, because I just don't roll like that.
Also, yes, I'm a horrible attentiion whore.
If my wife did what this Richard Li did she would be barred from practice for at least 12 months then put on probation, fired, and then sued by her employer and the client she falsified info on.
Dishonesty is dishonesty. But journalists are journalists. That must explain it. Throw them and politicians in the same boat. (Obviously not all journo or polis are dishonest, but there is a disproportionate amount of them that are. And they justify their dishonesty. errrrr!)
Dishonesty is dishonesty. But journalists are journalists. That must explain it. Throw them and politicians in the same boat. (Obviously not all journo or polis are dishonest, but there is a disproportionate amount of them that are. And they justify their dishonesty. errrrr!)