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[Sanepar]

Rdna4 30tflops is doable.

 

[Bernardougf]

I'm all in on Pro consoles....I will buy them all. I think for this gen it's just frustrating because nothing has really come out that pushes the current consoles.

That's my only gripe.

Because they cheaped out the consoles.. they should already aimed for better and more expensive, scalpers prooved that the 400/500 mark is a illusion... this gen got a small leap while trying to push RT ... we have phones beeing bought every year on the thousands and gpus sky rocketing either... the age of 400 consoles is over if this industry is too keep moving forward technologically... at least as the only option ... ps5 and xbox series x should have been the "S" consoles ... with a pro version as a second more competent sku

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

People are doubting Tom Henderson? Ha!

 

[alucard0712_rus]

I already have 3070...
Day 1

 

[Sanepar]

You are ruining the market and whole console gaming with this. This is why 2000$ smartphones come out every year. Because fools would buy them.

Console gaming is about flat even floor for 7 years or so. Not pro models, crossgen and any of that. Because of requests and line of thinking like yours, console gaming is taking in cancer from pc gaming.
More models, versions, upgeades every year if we keep on this track. It’s just a bad pc at this point.
This is everything that console gaming is NOT.

Just get a pc and don’t poison our pool

Why bother u so much someone who wants will play in a box with better performance?

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

There's no marketing hook for a PS5 pro to sell on.

Better Raytracing
120HZ
4k60

 

[mckmas8808]

games aren't gonna look like that

Ummmm.....okay. I literally played this demo on my PS5 last year.

 

[Trogdor1123]

Because they cheaped out the consoles.. they should already aimed for better and more expensive, scalpers prooved that the 400/500 mark is a illusion... this gen got a small leap while trying to push RT ... we have phones beeing bought every year on the thousands and gpus sky rocketing either... the age of 400 consoles is over if this industry is too keep moving forward technologically... at least as the only option ... ps5 and xbox series x should have been the "S" consoles ... with a pro version as a second more competent sku

Do you work at nvidia?

 

[kyussman]

Hey,I could get one of these to play Death Stranding 2 on.

 

[Rykan]

Better Raytracing
120HZ
4k60

None of those things are anything you can sell an upgraded console on to the mass public, especially since they've already that to sell the regular PS5.

What marketing are they going to use here? Same features, but for real this time?

The only ones who would understand the difference are tech savvy or "hardcore" and those are already on board.

 

[kyliethicc]

gimme 8k knack

 

[mrmustard]

None of those things are anything you can sell an upgraded console on, especially since they've already that to sell the regular PS5.

What marketing are they going to use here? Same features, but for real this time?

The only ones who would understand the difference are tech savvy or "hardcore" and those are already on board.

Marketing does not matter, it's for enthusiasts only anyways and most people are going to buy the cheaper consoles.

 

[BeforeU]

I can't image. Are there even games out yet which is utilizing full power of these console? Last gen we had cpu bottleneck, this gen we are not even there yet lol

 

[Bernardougf]

Do you work at nvidia?

Nope ... just a gamer wanting for more options in the console market since I dont have the patience for the PC master race bullshit ... two skus with normal and premium prices and specs should be the norm since the creation of the Pro (IMHO) ...xbox had the right mindset with the S and X they just fucked it up the execution .... who wants a normal machine aka (3050/3060) pay the 500 and play .. who wants the 3080/3080TI pay the equivalent and play .. everybody wins

 

[Miles708]

Nice, all the bullshit of the PC market finally on your TV!

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

People are doubting Tom Henderson? Ha!

Especially recently with his PS hardware he has been spot on

Pretty sure he broke the pro controller news first middle of summer last year

 

[bender]

Not a chance,6900XT at best

Eighteen Voodoo2 in the sexiest SLI chain ever.

 

[killatopak]

I dunno why they would release a Pro before a Slim but I’d buy one regardless.

 

[Rykan]

Marketing does not matter, it's for enthusiasts only anyways and most people are going to buy the cheaper consoles.

Then what's the point? Enthusiasts already own a PS5. Profits on hardware are minimum at best. A PS5 pro isn't going to expand the user base and its only going to increase game development costs. What's the benefit here?

 

[FBeeEye]

This can't be true. It's incredibly stupid in this era with everything being overpriced. If anything, it's one of two things:

• A PS5 S to compete price-wise with the Series S. It will be a PS4 Pro with the PS5 SSD and memory.
• A "slim" PS5.

Sony's not dumb enough to release a "pro" console when they just caught up with their PS5 inventory and the majority of their big titles were cross gen titles. Not happening.

The most I can see is them repackaging PS4 Pro into an "S" style low cost PS5 alternative.

 

[Nitty_Grimes]

I'm all in.

 

[Moonjt9]

I don’t see the need for a pro version. They aren’t even using all the power of the ps5 and still making crossgen stuff. Easy pass if true.

 

[Imtjnotu]

Pro's only purpose is to run Goodbye Volcano High at 4K60.

ps5 cant handle the game past 1080p 25fps

 

[Lysandros]

One should make a poll and ask developers about it. I am pretty sure they would list plenty of excellent reasons on why they all love mid generation upgrades...

 

[Celcius]

The PS5 already feels like a PS4 Pro Pro. There's no need for a Pro this gen.

 

[cireza]

This is going to be utterly useless. We didn't even start scratching the full potential of current consoles...

 

[Adam_802]

Lol make is even bigger and uglier.

 

[killatopak]

Then what's the point? Enthusiasts already own a PS5. Profits on hardware are minimum at best. A PS5 pro isn't going to expand the user base and its only going to increase game development costs. What's the benefit here?

VR possibly?

 

[mckmas8808]

Fall 2024 would make sense.

YOOOO!!!!! So this was real?

You realize Tom Henderson has never been wrong right ? His a very credible insider and Insider Gaming is his website.

I didn't know this was Tom Henderson's website. Knowing that, this is a done deal!

I dunno why they would release a Pro before a Slim but I’d buy one regardless.

The Slim will be the PS5 that comes out later this year without the disk drive for $400 imo.

This can't be true. It's incredibly stupid in this era with everything being overpriced. If anything, it's one of two things:

• A PS5 S to compete price-wise with the Series S. It will be a PS4 Pro with the PS5 SSD and memory.
• A "slim" PS5.

Sony's not dumb enough to release a "pro" console when they just caught up with their PS5 inventory and the majority of their big titles were cross gen titles. Not happening.

The most I can see is them repackaging PS4 Pro into an "S" style low cost PS5 alternative.

It says LATE 2024. Not 2023. Their 2nd generation PS5 games are coming out this year, in 2023.

 

[tmlDan]

I'm sure it's real. I just hope for everyone's sake that the Pro upgrades don't cost $10 per game. I couldn't bear to watch that happen to my GAF bros and sistas. I can practically already see the threads on the TLOU1 Remake Pro Upgrade when I close my eyes.

if you don't care for it and you don't play on PS5 why are you replying so much in this thread? to cry like a little baby?

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Then what's the point? Enthusiasts already own a PS5. Profits on hardware are minimum at best. A PS5 pro isn't going to expand the user base and its only going to increase game development costs. What's the benefit here?

It's for the people who complain about 30 fps games.

 

[spons]

It's for the people who complain about 30 fps games.

They'll have to keep complaining then. They'll just bump up the render resolution to 8k and run that at 30 fps.

 

[mckmas8808]

Day 1 for me.

AMD's roadmap for Zen5 3nm is 2024. Not saying that the alleged PS5 Pro's SOC will be built on that node, but even if it's 5nm, that will grant at a minimum a 1.8x increase in logic density potential. So, you could be looking at a 18+TF machine. One can dream for 3nm.

Logic density:
7nm - 97 million transistors per square millimeter.
5nm - 173 million transistors per square millimeter.
3nm - 290 million transistors per square millimeter.

Still got to account for power consumption at the end of the day.

So proabaly a 18 TF console with built-in hardware for FSR 2.2 then right?

 

[Gaiff]

So proabaly a 18 TF console with built-in hardware for FSR 2.2 then right?

FSR 2.2 or any of its variation doesn't need dedicated silicon. FSR3 presumably will.

 

[Turk1993]

I can see them reveal something like this next year when they push 8K OLED's

- Upscaled 8K gaming
- 4K120fps gaming thanks to AMD's Frame Generation technology and Mark Cerny custom tools
- Native 4k120fps VR games (instead of 60fps)
- Bigger 2TB SSD

 

[Helghan]

Wonder if they'll keep the same design, do something completely different, or just change it slightly so you have a difference between the base version and pro.

Hope they go for option 2

 

[Neo_game]

Intel arc A 770

A770 has good RT but the Pro will target 6800XT at least, which will make it twice as fast as the current model.

 

[thebigmanjosh]

Not a chance,6900XT at best

Most likely best case (72 CUs, ~21 AMD Tflops). Based on what some like HeisenbergFX4 have said, it seems like that extra juice will be marketed for RT. It’ll drop just in time for current gen-only games to consistently peak at 1080p-1440p/30(40)fps.

My only concern is this doesn’t really solve the RT issue. RDNA2 is so compromised that if developers push the pro hardware then they’ll still need raster fallbacks or other workarounds for base hardware. That extra performance will just be used for higher res/FPS and RT will continue to be a gimmick until AMD gets their act together (hopefully) by next gen

 

[Gaiff]

A770 has good RT but the Pro will target 6800XT at least, which will make it twice as fast as the current model.

More like 80%. You need a 6900 XTX to be at twice the raw performance of the PS5.

 

[rodrigolfp]

The only reason we got a PS4 pro was due to 4K.

PS5 Pro is needed for 4k too...

And non potato RT performance.

 

[solidus12]

Besides power, I think that a better selling point would be full hardware backwards compatibly with PS1 PS2 and PS3 games. Meaning that you insert your disc and play.

That will excite so many PlayStation hardcore fans.

 

[Gaiff]

PS5 Pro is needed for 4k too...

And non potato RT performance.

But what are they gonna tell their customers?

Gamers: I thought the PS5 was already 4K?

Sony: Yes, but the PS5 Pro is real 4K.

 

[icerock]

Disappointing to read the reactions here, thought there would be more hype.

2 years of cross-gen has polluted everyones mind. Yes, these consoles are managing 60 frames at the moment but there are already games which are 30fps on PS5 such as Plague Tales:Requiem, Quarry. These games are barely scratching the surface too. Once we move into mid-gen, I can assure you vast majority of AAA titles will be 30fps. There is absolutely a market for Pro considering a significant portion has now gotten a taste of better frames.

What we need is the GOAT thread back up (or a new one) "PS5 Pro Speculation OT"

 

[BrutalTruth_]

Glad I held off on buying the regular PS5.

If the Pro version comes out that'll be my target, hopefully Last of Us Multiplayer will be out or launching by then.

 

[rodrigolfp]

But what are they gonna tell their customers?

Gamers: I thought the PS5 was already 4K?

Sony: Yes, but the PS5 Pro is real 4K.

To stop lying to the consumers would be the minimum, yes.

 

[Markio128]

Bloody hell Sony, do you think I’m made of money?!

Day 1

 

[mckmas8808]

Disappointing to read the reactions here, thought there would be more hype.

2 years of cross-gen has polluted everyones mind. Yes, these consoles are managing 60 frames at the moment but there are already games which are 30fps on PS5 such as Plague Tales:Requiem, Quarry. These games are barely scratching the surface too. Once we move into mid-gen, I can assure you vast majority of AAA titles will be 30fps. There is absolutely a market for Pro considering a significant portion has now gotten a taste of better frames.

What we need is the GOAT thread back up (or a new one) "PS5 Pro Speculation OT"

Most here don't understand how games are made. They don't understand how making a game cross-gen actually holds back the design of a new game.

 

[mckmas8808]

Glad I held off on buying the regular PS5.

If the Pro version comes out that'll be my target, hopefully Last of Us Multiplayer will be out or launching by then.

Then you'll be waiting almost 2 years from today. Do you "REALLY" want to wait that long to play current-gen-only games?

 

[BrutalTruth_]

Then you'll be waiting almost 2 years from today. Do you "REALLY" want to wait that long to play current-gen-only games?

I have a Series X right now alongside my PS4.

By the time the Pro launches the PS5 should have a lot of good games in it's catalog so I can just hop right in and enjoy top performance.

 

[Azurro]

omg stfu

That's a very polite response. Of course, if you have had more than 1 phone in 6 years, that would make you into a massive hypocrite.