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Forza Motorsport will support Ray Tracing Global Illumination, but only on PC
- Thread starter KyoZz
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I saw RT reflections mentioned for xsx and RT gi/reflections for pc but nothing about shadows specifically even though technically RTGI should have that covered.
StueyDuck
Member
gi will cover it on PC but on consoles surely they can do just shadows with their regular lighting, lets hope
No idea, we have seen though that the RDNA3 hardware can handle 1 RT effect ok but once you start adding more that's when the performance tanks in comparison to nvidia, so the xsx being rdna2 i'm not sure we should be expecting more than just reflections unless there is a 30hz mode. I get that it's frustrating for people with consoles, but it's good to see microsoft finally going the extra mile on pc for people with the hardware.
As a side note, microsoft announced they are going to be adding support for pc gamepass working on geforce now. So people who really want the eye candy and have gamepass will be able to grab a geforce now sub for 20 bucks for the 4080 4k/120hz tier. I should probably make a thread for that instead of dropping it in a game specific thread.
xrnzaaas
Member
Are some people trolling or really expecting RTGI on a ~500 dollar piece of hardware? Reflections is the best what we can get.
The times when the consoles were fighting for the lead with new PC's are long one. You can't compete when a good graphics card costs more than an XSX or PS5.
The times when the consoles were fighting for the lead with new PC's are long one. You can't compete when a good graphics card costs more than an XSX or PS5.
Zathalus
Member
Not sure what's up with the comments throwing shade at Xbox. PS5 games have the exact same issue, Returnal PC having RT, Ratchet and Clank and Spider-Man both having additional RT settings as well. Not to mention DLSS
Obviously the PC version will have additional settings above the XSX, especially as the console will be almost 3 years old when this releases.
Obviously the PC version will have additional settings above the XSX, especially as the console will be almost 3 years old when this releases.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Do people still think we don't need pro consoles?
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Turn 10 are gods and along with the coalition the only Xbox studios with a proven track record of delivering.
Team Andromeda
Member
Team Andromeda
Member
Do people even consider the price of the graphics card needed to support such features at 60 FPS?
CuteFaceJay
Member
Still waiting on PC version of GTA V to get RT support. Wondering why they bothered with the console RT when it's doing it sub 60 yet on PC we actually have the hardware to push that higher :|
Thirty7ven
Banned
The game will look great anyway on XSX.
Want more spend three times as much on a PC I guess.
Want more spend three times as much on a PC I guess.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Between this and starfield being 30fps on console PC is the clear winner from this show.
PeteBull
Member
XSX gpu is rdna2 from amd, that architecture really takes huge blow when trying to run raytracing, and remember rt puts heavy strain on cpu too.
Top end pc gpu (4090) is easily 4x more powerful if u count in raytracing, cpu easily 2x more powerful, so i guess u would have to run in 1080p 30fps maybe on xsx and thats probably not what dev wants for their sim racing game.
sendit
Member
Only the “30 FPS is okay crowd” think that we don’t need Pro consoles. Give me a 1000+ dollar Pro console.
HelpYouFall
Member
I don't even know what this shit is. That track number is looking mighty thin though, which is infinitely more worrying ...
Umbasaborne
Banned
Makes sense, rtgi is beefy. I think the most recent console versions of witcher 3 have it, but it took them months to get it running at a stable 30 fps
Negotiator101
Member
You can't help yourself can you?
djjinx2
Member
Of course, all Xbox games come to PC, so PC wins if you have $2000 to buy one duhhh!!
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
stop being poor
To run XBone and PS4 games upscaled to 4k with inconsistent 60 fps framerate targets? Have you seen how fast the games load though!!!?
ToTTenTranz
Banned
So this thread turned into a bunch of people angry that $500 consoles can't run the same settings and features as $2500 PCs with a $1200 RTX graphics card.
Let's see what a $500 PC can get us, with a Nvidia graphics card (you know, the ones that run raytracing really well).
Now feel free to get all of this and play Forza Motorsport with Raytraced Global Illumination on that awesome GTX 1650 from Nvidia.
Alternatively, you can also wait for the Nintendo Switch version to come. It also has a Nvidia GPU so I'm sure it'll run Raytraced Global Illumination just fine.
Let's see what a $500 PC can get us, with a Nvidia graphics card (you know, the ones that run raytracing really well).
Now feel free to get all of this and play Forza Motorsport with Raytraced Global Illumination on that awesome GTX 1650 from Nvidia.
Alternatively, you can also wait for the Nintendo Switch version to come. It also has a Nvidia GPU so I'm sure it'll run Raytraced Global Illumination just fine.
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OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
With streaming you don't even need these specs.So this thread turned into a bunch of people angry that $500 consoles can't run the same settings and features as $2500 PCs with a $1200 RTX graphics card.
Let's see what a $500 PC can get us, with a Nvidia graphics card (you know, the ones that run raytracing really well).
Now feel free to get all of this and play Forza Motorsport with Raytraced Global Illumination on that awesome GTX 1650 from Nvidia.
Alternatively, you can also wait for the Nintendo Switch version to come. It also has a Nvidia GPU so I'm sure it'll run Raytraced Global Illumination just fine.
PeteBull
Member
Those are terrible specs, and gtx 1650 doesnt support any kind of RT even, lowest gpu that supports rt is rtx 3050 or from 1 gen older rtx 2060 ;XSo this thread turned into a bunch of people angry that $500 consoles can't run the same settings and features as $2500 PCs with a $1200 RTX graphics card.
Let's see what a $500 PC can get us, with a Nvidia graphics card (you know, the ones that run raytracing really well).
Now feel free to get all of this and play Forza Motorsport with Raytraced Global Illumination on that awesome GTX 1650 from Nvidia.
Alternatively, you can also wait for the Nintendo Switch version to come. It also has a Nvidia GPU so I'm sure it'll run Raytraced Global Illumination just fine.
Both are very weak gpus tho. https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-3050-8-gb.c3858
RoboFu
One of the green rats
A pro console will not be on par with 4090 nor a 7900 xt. Which is what you guys want.
ToTTenTranz
Banned
Yes, I know. But these are the specs you can get with $500 and a Geforce GPU.
There are some comments in this thread shitting on the consoles' hardware for not being able to do raytracing as well as their ultra expensive Nvidia GPUs.
Those consoles went on sale almost 3 years ago, and still to this day there's nothing from Nvidia even remotely close to these consoles' raytracing performance on that price.
Worse still, the best thing they can get from Nvidia today are $400 graphics cards with 8GB VRAM that can't even match the consoles' texture and shadowmap sizes at 1080p, let alone running 4K upscaled from 1440-1800p which is what the consoles are running.
The cognitive dissonance here is just mind boggling. Though I guess if the goal is to fanboy hard first and think second, anything goes.
GHG
Member
Buggy Loop
Member
Some peoples are having austere lives, blows my mind.
But let’s buy the top line OLED
Let’s throw money down the drain for online subscription fee
Let’s pay more per game basis
Next gen? Well bye bye library.. might have to pay cash to get a patch for higher res
Pro version coming? Oh giddy! What a good investment
Resolution drop to 900p 30 fps? Pffft, totally fine.
The thing is that if their baseline to be satisfied is so low, the console equivalent PC would be much cheaper, ~$800 range. It costs more to be a console owner but they only see the baseline price.
GHG
Member
Don't forget the daily dose of Starbucks these corporate sheep cucks most likely consume.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Let’s see how RTGI runs on the 7900 XTX
sigrad
Member
They said earlier It will be 4k, maybe upscaled, 60fps with RT mirrorlike reflections during gameplay and then 4k 60fps soft RT reflections during replays
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Where did they say the game will have RTGI during races ?
djjinx2
Member
The title has been worded that way, I mean we knew this last year so why say "but only on PC"
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Yeah but how can everyone pretend to be shocked and appalled if this isn't new information?!
Mr Moose
Member
What are you going to install the games on?So this thread turned into a bunch of people angry that $500 consoles can't run the same settings and features as $2500 PCs with a $1200 RTX graphics card.
Let's see what a $500 PC can get us, with a Nvidia graphics card (you know, the ones that run raytracing really well).
Now feel free to get all of this and play Forza Motorsport with Raytraced Global Illumination on that awesome GTX 1650 from Nvidia.
Alternatively, you can also wait for the Nintendo Switch version to come. It also has a Nvidia GPU so I'm sure it'll run Raytraced Global Illumination just fine.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
Fuck you give me money
There are some posts I don’t expect to see on an enthusiast forum. This is one of them.
A $499 console from 2020 isn’t going to perform at the same level as an RTX 4080.
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Duchess
Member
Umbasaborne
Banned
Yep, I swear I see people getting surprised when these consoles can’t hold up to a high end pc. Thats almost always the case with consoles.
There was a period where the xbox 360 was pretty much on par with the best pc’s on the market, but that ended after a year or two. The ps4 and xbox one were always underpowered. I wouldn’t say the ps5/series x were underpowered. They are pretty equivalent to 2070/2080 cards, which were still relatively new back in 2020.
Video cards out pace console tech at a such a rapid pace though that it will likely be 5 plus years until we see consoles that are anywhere near equivalent to a 4080 or 90, and by that point the gpu market will still be way ahead
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Kerotan
Member
No it's not because it would cost me a fortune.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Any Pro console next year will still be weaker than the 5090 at the same time, so you'll always have some features not there on consoles.
There's no catch-all.