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Hearthstone |OT5| Corrupted Deeprock Salt
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*Unsubscribes*On an unrelated note and VERY LATE, via @Kolento...
Fucking kill me. :V
I once played against someone who used it. I lost and I wasn't even mad.
irfaanator
Banned
Dog runs majordomo mage sometimes.
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Just make it so taunts can't be silenced. That would solve all of the aggro owl bullshit.
Like I said comparing anything to MC is futile at this point.
Remember how Sideshow Spelleater is a 6/5? Mogor's Champion is a 8/5? Fearsome Doomguard is a 6/8? Captured Jourmungand is a 5/9?
It is almost baffling that all these cards are in the same game as Mysterious Challenger and Dr. Boom. Blizzard plays it super conservatively with some cards and then plays it fast and loose with others. It is baffling.
Not all cards can be god tier.
All of those underpowered cards I mentioned could all have an extra stat point added and people still wouldn't play them. This has nothing to do with making 100% of cards playable.
BananasWithGuns
Member
It doesn't really surprise me that Mysterious Challenger's stats are so high for what it does compared to other cards around the same cost.
Blizzard has always had a hard on for secrets and finding ways to coax people into playing them. It's the same reason Mad Scientist exists after all, which is another card that is too good for its cost.
Blizzard has always had a hard on for secrets and finding ways to coax people into playing them. It's the same reason Mad Scientist exists after all, which is another card that is too good for its cost.
War Golem is an arena card. That doesn't make it okay.
Captured Jormunger is fine. It has well balanced stats for a vanilla 7 drop and it has the beast tag. It's better than a War Golem in most cases. Same for the demon although it being class card it could've had better stats.
Mogor Champion on the other hand is a terrible card all around.
Sideshow Stealer is a few stats short. It's actually usable in Control Rogue because they have a bad late game hero power.
Mogor Champion on the other hand is a terrible card all around.
Sideshow Stealer is a few stats short. It's actually usable in Control Rogue because they have a bad late game hero power.
you want to kill aggro dead, all aggro for all time hunh.
Really weird that it can. It always trips me up to see that or cards like Faerie Dragon on the field. :////
Super Nothing
Member
It's also easier to kill than Boulderfist Ogre with its low health/high attack stat distribution making it much less threatening. It puts everything it has into offense and then has a 50% chance of whiffing when you go to use it.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
I am enjoying how you're using this Rogue deck and your other one Tempoil, I believe. Does this consistently wipe out aggro Druid and Eboladin?
On an unrelated note and VERY LATE, via @Kolento...
Fucking kill me. :V
I haven't lost to eboladin yet but I haven't played against it a ton either. This deck is very capable of dumping its hand in a meaningful manner so playing around divine favor is not difficult.
As for aggro druid, I have lost to one druid in 10 games. Now that the deck has BGH (this one and tempoil are basically the same deck with that 1 specific change), there is an easy answer to fel reaver to pull. But last aggro druid I faced I had such a steam roll it is worth mentioning, and I remember manhack was spectating.
My mulligan was going second and I had VT + 2 backstabs. And I drew into another VT. So on turn 3 I coined out VT (which he actually spent a savage roar + shade removing) and on turn 4 I played the second one. When he played his fel reaver, I had backstab, eviscerate, si7 agent. It was pretty disgustingly one sided from there although I guess maybe if he got some crazy combo off on turn 7 somehow... like a 4-5 card combo although his hand size didn't have that. But I also had a dread corsair so even that was probably not enough.
The one loss I had to druid was last month in legend and this guy... I am looking at the replay, and this guy had a turn 2 emperor thaurisan. I probably still had a solid chance but for dr. boom coming out on turn 6. If I had the BGH in the deck back then, I probably also would have won since I drew the card I replaced it with... lol. Also the funny thing is I queued into the same guy right away and I remember beating him hard.
call_kotaku
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Don't stats become less relevant the more expensive the creature is? There's a huge difference between 2/3 and 3/2 2-drops, and almost all the viable 1-drops are 2-attack, but outside of patron how many decks have minions that aren't either part of the win condition or chosen because they can immediately affect the board state? Would you play MC if it was a 4/4? Would you play Boom if it was a 7/5? Loatheb if it was a 4/5? Antonidas if it was a 5/5?
Stats felt really important when I first started hearthstone (the first batch of nerfs like shattered sun and argent were stats-based, but you wouldn't even play the original versions of those cards now), especially the "can flamestrike kill this" or "is it 4-attack", but it feels totally different now.
Stats felt really important when I first started hearthstone (the first batch of nerfs like shattered sun and argent were stats-based, but you wouldn't even play the original versions of those cards now), especially the "can flamestrike kill this" or "is it 4-attack", but it feels totally different now.
Oh noes, Aggro decks will have to use their minions to go through taunts or *gasp* use a spell on a taunt.
Stats are extremely important up until the 4-5 mana. Beyond 6 and up stats are enough by themselves.
Zombie Chow still gets run and it's a stats monster. If there was a 2 mana equivalent of Zombie Chow (3/4 gives the opponent 7 health) then it would be run no question about it. Hell Totem Golem has become the staple 2 drop of Shaman despite having a considerable draw back. Minibot is a stat monster and is a staple card. Muster for Battle is a 4 stat value card for 3 mana, obviously it's run. Shredder is a stat monster on average, of course it's the most used.
It gets tricky at the 5 mana. There aren't huge value monsters at 5 mana. Loatheb is used for the effect, I would say that even if it was a 4/5 it would still get used though it would get used A LOT less if it was a 5/4 (because of Shredder). Belcher is also a stat monster and hence it's the default 5 drop in quite a few decks. Fel Reaver is used in SUPER aggressive decks and it's the best stat for stat 5 cost in the game (but comes with a considerable drawback).
6 mana and up, you need a godly effect... stats aren't enough. People used to run Sky Golem/Cairne in that slot because these cards are amazing raw stats for the cost but that's too slow and low board impact these days for the cost. The only other card that is run for pure stats is Highmane though it has the Beast tag so Hunter gets the added synergy. Notice that these cards just like Shredder have powerful deathrattle effects which means that they maintain their stats for quite some time.
Asides from these powerful deathrattle minions, the other 6 mana cards have powerful effects. MC, Cabal, Sylvanas, Emperor Thaurissan. That's because 6 mana is the slot where powerful legendaries start coming in as well.
Above 6 mana it's all about powerful legendaries. I can't really think of any non Legendaries minions that are used past 7 mana.
Boom would get played at 7/5, MC would get played at 4/4 and Antonidas would get played at 5/5 but all these cards would be quite a bit weaker.
Blizzard is playing vanilla stats super conservatively on the 7 slot for some reason. Most vanilla cards get 2x+1 stats for their mana cost but all the vanilla 7 drops are 14 stats for some bizarre reason, like they think it is too good for a 7 drop to have 15 stats. I am not sure why. A card like North Sea Kraken is actually too good when using any traditional formula (the main body is like a 6 mana 9/7) and even it can't see play in Constructed. Blizzard is penalizing cards for being big giant vanilla bodies for high mana costs when they should be rewarding them. Nobody thinks Ancient of War is OP, and it has 15 stats, with flexibility and the taunt option to boot!
I think it is absurd that Blizzard plays it conservatively with these giant bodies that don't do anything when the very concept can't be any further from where the game is headed right now.
Only because of its weird statline. Boulderfist Ogre on the other hand is pretty much an autopick.
Can't wait for Battle Golem, 7/8 7 drop in the next expansion.
Ancient of War actually has 16 stats in taunt form because you have to count the taunt as well. But it's a class card. That's why I said the demon that Warlocks got should've been a stat or two higher because it's a class card. Class cards are generally budgeted higher than their counter parts. That's probably why they made MC 6/6.
Ancient of War actually has 16 stats in taunt form because you have to count the taunt as well. But it's a class card. That's why I said the demon that Warlocks got should've been a stat or two higher because it's a class card. Class cards are generally budgeted higher than their counter parts. That's probably why they made MC 6/6.
That would essentially be a card as consequential as Evil Heckler. Nobody would play it in Constructed but you'd pick it in arena. And it'd be the best vanilla 7 drop in the game.
Are we really scared of a 5/10 Captured Jourmungand or an 8/6 (or even 8/7) Mogor's Champion?
Hearthstone needs an Exodia equivalent. Alternate win condition.
No one is scared of them. I have already said many times that Mogor's Champion is an awful card and shouldn't have come with that stat line. Captured Jormunger feels like a flavorful card that is the reverse of Core Hound.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
ET + innervates from druid, exodia OTK
you're insane if you think that change would be in any way good. the salt's gone to your brain.
I am not even sure about that. I mean yeah you might get the god draw in some games and win the game by turn 7 (I would cost that minion that you have to summon a 7 mana) but it's very likely that you can easily get killed before that time.
And if they play Deathlord then it might pull one of the pieces out of your deck and you lose.
Of course Blizzard would never really implement this mechanic because it goes against their design philosophies.
I am not saying that all previous Taunts should be changed to that. I am saying they should create new Taunt minions that have a special text which says that they can't be targetted by minions.
Sort of like that 4 mana 2/5 immune taunt but one that works on minion instead of spells.
call_kotaku
Member
The "after X condition the owner loses the game" text I've seen on Magic cards might be fun on a Hearthstone card
Might be too good/too awful on a minion since you can silence your own minions
Might be too good/too awful on a minion since you can silence your own minions
Arguably Patron was even more consistent than this because it could win with fewer cards and it had different win conditions. Against face rush deck they could combo Patrons with Armorsmiths for massive armor gain. Against Control deck they can draw out their deck and then finish with Berserker OTK. Against Zoo type decks they can combo Warsong with Patron to have a huge board etc.
What this is closer to is Malygos Shaman. I would also say Freeze Mage but Freeze Mage usually sets up lethal over two turns at the minimum.
phoenix296
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Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Looks like someone is developing a website that lets you play with money on the table. CSGO as well. https://beta.wombo.gg/lobby
Personally, I am not too open to playing a match with money on the line then to only have my opponent dispute or otherwise be a douche about it.
Personally, I am not too open to playing a match with money on the line then to only have my opponent dispute or otherwise be a douche about it.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
That would instantly be abused to just give people gold/dust, Blizz wouldn't add that in a F2P game.
Valve seems to get away with similar stuff.