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Media Create Sales: Week 30, 2012 (Jul 23 - Jul 29)

L

lunchwithyuzo

Banned
schuelma said:
3rd party support was generally terrible. It took until mid 2009 for there to be anything really substantial (MH Tri, SW3, Tales of Graces) and that was 2 years too late.
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This is really key. It's not that Wii didn't get anything at all, it's that the 3rd party response was much too late to really do anything, and came after they'd put huge effort into building up those audiences elsewhere (Tales, Musou, FF).

Hopefully the big Japanese 3rd parties learned their lesson and give Wii U a fuller effort upfront when market building is so vital. At the least they should really be delivering 360-like multiplatform support for core games and genres (FF, RE, Musou, Metal Gear, etc), while continuing with the sorts of casual hits they managed on Wii (Taiko, Go Vacation, Deca Sports, etc).
 
G

Gianni Merryman

Member
electroplankton said:
We were talking about Wii, and you wrote "All things being considered, I reckon Wii has had a good support in Japan overall.". I completely disagree with that.

Yeah, it had the mainline Monster Hunter and a mainline Dragon Quest but while the former became an handheld deal, the latter came as a MMORPG, and we have seen how it will end up to sell (good, but not as good as IX or VIII).

Other than those two franchises, Wii got a lot of shitty support from third party developers, or stuffs no one really cared (niche titles, obscure IPs, bad strategies such as releasing Graces the week before FFXIII and the like).
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In fact I was referring specifically to Japanese market, as I gather Wii Japanese line-up was way better than Western one.

Aside from that, speaking more in general, I reckon Wii in its lifetime has had some good third-party exclusives(Tri, Little king's story, Mad world, Muramasa, No more heroes 1/2, etc., although some of them later on were ported to PS360 twins), but was tremendously lacking of all those multi-platforms big-budget titles that couldn't run on Wii, such as Dead rising, Arkham asylum/city, Red dead, Portal2, Skyrim, GTA4, Dead space, Bayonetta, Devil may cry, etc.


As far as I'm concerned I've had a lot of fun on Wii also thanks to third-parties' exclusives, as much as I've been missing aforementioned HD good stuff, but I hope this issue is going to be readdressed with WiiU.
 
M

metalslimer

Member
Gianni Merryman said:
In fact I was referring specifically to Japanese market, as I gather Wii Japanese line-up was way better than Western one.

Aside from that, speaking more in general, I reckon Wii in its lifetime has had some good third-party exclusives(Tri, Little king's story, Mad world, Muramasa, No more heroes 1/2, etc., although some of them later on were ported to PS360 twins), but was tremendously lacking of all those multi-platforms big-budget titles that couldn't run on Wii, such as Dead rising, Red dead, GTA4, Dead space, Bayonetta, Devil may cry, etc.


As far as I'm concerned I've had a lot of fun on Wii also thanks to third-parties' exclusives, as much as I've been missing aforementioned HD good stuff, but I hope this issue is going to be readdressed with WiiU.
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The problem is when speaking in a sales thread the Wii's 3rd party exclusives were titles that generally sold less that 100k in Japan. Not to mention how badly Tales of Graces underperformed which probably sent most Japanese publisher still considering the Wii as a platform running.
 
E

electroplankton

Banned
Gianni Merryman said:
In fact I was referring specifically to Japanese market, as I gather Wii Japanese line-up was way better than Western one.

Aside from that, speaking more in general, I reckon Wii in its lifetime has had some good third-party exclusives(Tri, Little king's story, Mad world, Muramasa, No more heroes 1/2, etc., although some of them later on were ported to PS360 twins), but was tremendously lacking of all those multi-platforms big-budget titles that couldn't run on Wii, such as Dead rising, Arkham asylum/city, Red dead, Portal2, Skyrim, GTA4, Dead space, Bayonetta, Devil may cry, etc.


As far as I'm concerned I've had a lot of fun on Wii also thanks to third-parties' exclusives, as much as I've been missing aforementioned HD good stuff, but I hope this issue is going to be readdressed with WiiU.
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I've had a lot of fun as well with them, but they were hardly important titles, market-wise. Capcom brings Resident Evil? Yeah, on-rail shooters and portings. Capcom brings a fighting game? Yeah, something that could not be marketed in any way. Konami brings Castlevania? Judgement, lol. Konami brings Winning Eleven? Yeah, 4-5 months laters all the other versions. Square brings Dragon Quest? Before X, which is a MMORPG btw, there were a shitty first-person 1-hour RPG, and a card game. Square brings Final Fantasy? Yeah, a porting from DS (from DS!) and The Crystal Bearers, managed like the company itself did not care so much (released just a month before Final Fantasy XIII). Namco brings Soul Calibur? Yeah, Legends... Was it a game or something else?

You see, third parties never tried to make something marketable on Wii.
 
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Gianni Merryman

Member
electroplankton said:
I've had a lot of fun as well with them, but they were hardly important titles, market-wise. Capcom brings Resident Evil? Yeah, on-rail shooters and portings. Capcom brings a fighting game? Yeah, something that could not be marketed in any way. Konami brings Castlevania? Judgement, lol. Konami brings Winning Eleven? Yeah, 4-5 months laters all the other versions. Square brings Dragon Quest? Before X, which is a MMORPG btw, there were a shitty first-person 1-hour RPG, and a card game. Square brings Final Fantasy? Yeah, a porting from DS (from DS!) and The Crystal Bearers, managed like the company itself did not care so much (released just a month before Final Fantasy XIII). Namco brings Soul Calibur? Yeah, Legends... Was it a game or something else?

You see, third parties never tried to make something marketable on Wii.
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I see what you mean and of course I cannot disagree, honestly I was expecting Wii to have a much better support from Capcom, Namco, Konami, etc. - clearly something has gone wrong and we've already discussed these issues previously at length -, yet I have appreciated the efforts of Marvelous, that has brought to Wii some surprisingly good stuff.
 
G

Gradivus

Member
Bruno MB said:
Don't you think that a Dragon Quest VII remake would have more impact than the previous remakes for NDS? It was the best selling title until Dragon Quest IX, I think it is highly praised among Dragon Quest fans and it has never been remade.
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I would say it would have about amount of same impact as the previous DQ remakes on the DS.
 
T

test_account

XP-39C²
AKB48+Me is also set for Q4 2012. I wonder when it will come out and if the sales will be affected (goes for both games) because of the PSP/Vita game.
 
G

Gradivus

Member
test_account said:
AKB48+Me is also set for Q4 2012. I wonder when it will come out and if the sales will be affected (goes for both games) because of the PSP/Vita game.
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I haven't looked into the two games, but do they have similar game play to each other? If so, it most likely come down to which one get praised by people like Famitsu and such more.
 
N

Nekki

Member
I don't think AKB48+ME is going to be as successful as the PSP/V version. For once, it's far more established, and the presentation is way too different.

A situation akin to the Miku series on both portables, imo.
 
M

Magicpaint

Member
Gradivus said:
I would say it would have about amount of same impact as the previous DQ remakes on the DS.
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IMO if it's a real overhaul (and NOT using that old DQVII engine), then probably closer to DQV PS2 than the DS remakes (thought there wasn't that much separating those either).
 
R

Road

Member
Congratulations to 9thwonder for winning by units, and to hiska-kun, by percentage!

Code: 
BY UNITS                             BY PERCENTAGE

  1   290,719 9thwonder                 1  270.6% hiska-kun
  2   317,737 baekshi                   2  356.5% Busaiku
  3   403,075 Busaiku                   3  356.6% 9thwonder
  4   410,571 Kenka                     4  370.1% Kenka
  5   423,379 matmanx1                  5  396.3% baekshi
  6   424,951 hiska-kun                 6  403.6% Nekki
  7   467,685 metalslimer               7  412.0% Road
  8   486,475 Burnburn                  8  428.0% matmanx1
  9   491,515 Bruno MB                  9  436.4% Chris1964
 10   493,239 Chris1964                10  448.3% ULTROS!
 11   517,151 MasterSheen              11  454.6% cw_sasuke
 12   552,125 Cuddler                  12  471.5% Bruno MB
 13   566,711 Orgen                    13  474.0% MasterSheen
 14   568,151 Tratorn                  14  479.4% metalslimer
 15   568,181 Zeer0id                  15  510.3% Cuddler
 16   602,685 cw_sasuke                16  518.9% donny2112
 17   606,049 Kandinsky                17  520.0% Burnburn
 18   618,951 Gradivus                 18  520.6% Kandinsky
 19   636,151 Green Slime              19  521.1% Gradivus
 20   660,711 electroplankton          20  522.0% Zeer0id
 21   669,545 ULTROS!                  21  530.6% Tratorn
 22   791,499 Nekki                    22  533.0% Green Slime
 23   815,041 Road                     23  537.6% Orgen
 24   818,075 zashga                   24  546.7% lunchwithyuzo
 25   838,977 Yeshua                   25  565.7% electroplankton
 26   886,559 Truth101                 26  585.8% Yeshua
 27   902,315 Gianni Merryman          27  589.9% Truth101
 28   919,391 Olaeh                    28  603.6% Gianni Merryman
 29   928,467 lunchwithyuzo            29  639.5% Olaeh
 30   963,977 donny2112                30  663.3% zashga


                                M-Create  Bruno MB Yeshua   electrop cw_sasuk Gianni M Orgen    ULTROS!  MasterSh Gradivus Zeer0id  Kandinsk Busaiku  Burnburn baekshi  Truth101 9thwonde lunchwit donny211 zashga   metalsli Green Sl Tratorn Chris196 Nekki    Olaeh    matmanx1 Kenka   hiska-k Cuddler Road
[3DS] Etrian Odyssey IV           117,102   150000   150000   160000   175000   210000   128000   110000   120000   195000   110000   165000   128000   175000   130111   140000   100000   123456   120000   200000   150000   150000   150000   134567   183000   201000   140123  122000  155000  160000  133333
[3DS] Little Battlers eXperience   96,196    50000    70000    35000    85000    68000    63000    75000    35000    65000    50000    55000    62000    42000    55111   100000    55000    87654    90000    50000    60000    50000    75000    56789    90000    72000    62345   68000   74000   45000   66666
[3DS] Taiko Drum Master: Chibi D  116,867    85000   150000    67000   100000   126000    71000   170000    60000   120000   125000    75000    95000   112000    70111   200000    75000   156789   125000    90000    70000    60000    70000   145678   150000   130000   135789   75000  125000   75000  111111
[PSV] Time Travelers                9,887    45000    40000    25000    55000    51000    33000    71000    15000    50000    30000    30000    18000    40000    44111    30000    55000    23456    30000    40000    20000    10000    28000    32109    10000    31000    27567   51000   10000   50000   12222
[3DS] Time Travelers                9,761    60000    60000    35000    45000    38000    52000    70000    21000    70000    50000    25000    26000    25000    29111    50000    50000    34567    45000    30000    25000    25000    39000    45678     8000    51000    34147   60000   12000   50000   13333
[3DS] Rune Factory 4              107,513    90000   100000    85000   120000   131000    90000    65000    80000   120000   100000   133000   104000   159000    70111   120000   100000    78901    55000    70000   110000    90000    80000   123456    98000   174000   142789   90000  120000  120000   77777
[WII] Kirby 20th Anniversary Col  131,720   115000   200000   225000   175000   215000   159000   150000    70000   175000   210000   345000   158000   250000   115111   200000   120000   145678   150000   250000   150000    55000   110000   156789   200000   112000   169963  115000  139000  110000   77777
[PS3] Persona 4: Arena            117,318   125000    50000   110000   100000   130000    47000   150000    50000    70000    80000   125000   136000   125000   123111    80000   120000    45678    70000   130000   110000    30000    40000    67890    79000    43000    54563  125000  115000  100000   77777
[3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2     430,185   645000   800000   750000   775000   971000   678000   800000   640000   700000   700000   610000   688000   300000   520111   900000   500000   987654  1000000   800000   650000   680000   690000   678901   900000   963000   598258  623000  710000  675000  999999
[3DS] Demon Training               46,528    85000   200000    70000    65000    89000    95000    50000    60000    80000   100000    60000    52000    30000    60111   175000    60000   210123   250000   120000   125000   100000    80000    56789   145000    89000    45356   37000   99000   86000  111111
[PSP] Time Travelers                    0    25000    20000    15000    30000    29000    24000    20000    11000    30000    18000    20000    16000    15000    17111    20000    20000    32102    45000    50000    15000    20000    17000    34567    23000    42000    19258   27000    8000   35000   11111

UNIT DIFF                       1,183,077   491515   838977   660711   602685   902315   566711   669545   517151   618951   568181   606049   403075   486475   317737   886559   290719   928467   963977   818075   467685   636151   568151   493239   791499   919391   423379  410571  424951  552125  815041

[3DS] Etrian Odyssey IV                 0    32898    32898    42898    57898    92898    10898    -7102     2898    77898    -7102    47898    10898    57898    13009    22898   -17102     6354     2898    82898    32898    32898    32898    17465    65898    83898    23021    4898   37898   42898   16231
[3DS] Little Battlers eXperience        0   -46196   -26196   -61196   -11196   -28196   -33196   -21196   -61196   -31196   -46196   -41196   -34196   -54196   -41085     3804   -41196    -8542    -6196   -46196   -36196   -46196   -21196   -39407    -6196   -24196   -33851  -28196  -22196  -51196  -29530
[3DS] Taiko Drum Master: Chibi D        0   -31867    33133   -49867   -16867     9133   -45867    53133   -56867     3133     8133   -41867   -21867    -4867   -46756    83133   -41867    39922     8133   -26867   -46867   -56867   -46867    28811    33133    13133    18922  -41867    8133  -41867   -5756
[PSV] Time Travelers                    0    35113    30113    15113    45113    41113    23113    61113     5113    40113    20113    20113     8113    30113    34224    20113    45113    13569    20113    30113    10113      113    18113    22222      113    21113    17680   41113     113   40113    2335
[3DS] Time Travelers                    0    50239    50239    25239    35239    28239    42239    60239    11239    60239    40239    15239    16239    15239    19350    40239    40239    24806    35239    20239    15239    15239    29239    35917    -1761    41239    24386   50239    2239   40239    3572
[3DS] Rune Factory 4                    0   -17513    -7513   -22513    12487    23487   -17513   -42513   -27513    12487    -7513    25487    -3513    51487   -37402    12487    -7513   -28612   -52513   -37513     2487   -17513   -27513    15943    -9513    66487    35276  -17513   12487   12487  -29736
[WII] Kirby 20th Anniversary Col        0   -16720    68280    93280    43280    83280    27280    18280   -61720    43280    78280   213280    26280   118280   -16609    68280   -11720    13958    18280   118280    18280   -76720   -21720    25069    68280   -19720    38243  -16720    7280  -21720  -53943
[PS3] Persona 4: Arena                  0     7682   -67318    -7318   -17318    12682   -70318    32682   -67318   -47318   -37318     7682    18682     7682     5793   -37318     2682   -71640   -47318    12682    -7318   -87318   -77318   -49428   -38318   -74318   -62755    7682   -2318  -17318  -39541
[3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2           0   214815   369815   319815   344815   540815   247815   369815   209815   269815   269815   179815   257815  -130185    89926   469815    69815   557469   569815   369815   219815   249815   259815   248716   469815   532815   168073  192815  279815  244815  569814
[3DS] Demon Training                    0    38472   153472    23472    18472    42472    48472     3472    13472    33472    53472    13472     5472   -16528    13583   128472    13472   163595   203472    73472    78472    53472    33472    10261    98472    42472    -1172   -9528   52472   39472   64583
[PSP] Time Travelers                    0    25000    20000    15000    30000    29000    24000    20000    11000    30000    18000    20000    16000    15000    17111    20000    20000    32102    45000    50000    15000    20000    17000    34567    23000    42000    19258   27000    8000   35000   11111

STATISTICS
                                 M-Create   AVERAGE       MIN       MAX      OVER     UNDER   CLOSEST        BY
[3DS] Etrian Odyssey IV            117,102   148,953   100,000   210,000       90%       10%   120,000 MasterSheen
[3DS] Little Battlers eXperience    96,196    63,752    35,000   100,000        3%       97%   100,000 Truth101
[3DS] Taiko Drum Master: Chibi D   116,867   107,349    60,000   200,000       43%       57%   120,000 Gradivus
[PSV] Time Travelers                 9,887    33,582    10,000    71,000      100%        0%    10,000 Green Slime
[3DS] Time Travelers                 9,761    39,295     8,000    70,000       97%        3%     8,000 Nekki
[3DS] Rune Factory 4               107,513   103,234    55,000   174,000       40%       60%   110,000 metalslimer
[WII] Kirby 20th Anniversary Col   131,720   160,777    55,000   345,000       67%       33%   139,000 hiska-kun
[PS3] Persona 4: Arena             117,318    90,301    30,000   150,000       33%       67%   115,000 hiska-kun
[3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2      430,185   731,097   300,000 1,000,000       97%        3%   500,000 9thwonder
[3DS] Demon Training                46,528    96,183    30,000   250,000       90%       10%    45,356 matmanx1
[PSP] Time Travelers                     0    23,638     8,000    50,000      100%        0%     8,000 hiska-kun
 
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Nekki

Member
Cool. I was the closest prediction on TT PSV/3DS :D TT PSP is just unfair lmao.

And a lot of people overestimated NSMB2, actually not realizing it was only two days was part of the equation.
 
M

metalslimer

Member
Nekki said:
Cool. I was the closest prediction on TT PSV/3DS :D TT PSP is just unfair lmao.

And a lot of people overestimated NSMB2, actually not realizing it was only two days was part of the equation.
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Yep, I didn't realize that at all =( I guess I did pretty well for my first MC prediction though. Validates the long ass time lurking.
 
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eighty(one)

Member
Boney said:
It has an awesome boxart though

cave_story_3d_JAP.jpg
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If its any consolation, I love Cave Story 3D. I got it for XMas and its fantastic. Really dig the remixed music and art style.

I hoped it would fare better in Japan, seeing it just seems like a game that hits all the right notes....exploration, pacing, sound..Besides, they got better box art :)

Can't wait to replay it on the XL.

cw_sasuke said:
If you consider that many 3DS are just uprgrading to the XL and there is much competition, especially with NSMB 2 being released, its not all that bad. Sales will rise higher once the holidays begin.
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Does JP have a holiday sales period boom? Or is this just westerners associating our holidays with other countries?
 
D

Dalthien

Member
eighty(one) said:
Does JP have a holiday sales period boom? Or is this just westerners associating our holidays with other countries?
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Yeah - the 3DS sold 1.6M last December in Japan.

Although it's worth pointing out that the Japanese holiday boost is typically shifted back a bit from the western timeframe. In Japan, the boom usually starts a little later than Black Friday, but it runs later as well (a little past New Year's).
 
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Pooya

Member
Net sales and operating loss in the Digital Entertainment segment totaled ¥11,336 million (a decrease of 3.9% from the same period of the prior fiscal year) and ¥111 million (operating income of ¥2,834 million in the same period of the prior fiscal year), respectively.
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http://www.square-enix.com/eng/news/pdf/13q1release.pdf
http://www.square-enix.com/eng/news/pdf/13q1earnings.pdf
http://www.square-enix.com/eng/news/pdf/13q1slides.pdf

captureidfn7.jpg

Qualitative information on consolidated business forecasts
The advancement of networking and digitalization, and the diffusion of smartphones have triggered a fundamental change in the business environment surrounding the Group, where content delivery measures to customers and
business models are increasingly diversified. The Group views this change as an opportunity to capture new profit sources, and is making every effort to establish its profit base through expansion of content and services that conform to emerging customer needs, and launch of full-scale commercial services for major MMO titles.
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so their forecast for this FY is all based on generating revenue from MMOs and other services?!
 
Z

zroid

Banned
BDFF will sell 500k, even if I have to individually threaten 450k Japanese people into buying it against their will.
 
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Erethian

Member
Wouldn't be surprised to see Bravely Default perform well with all the promotion (via game demos) they've been doing, trying to build a community around the game. Things like using one demo to get feedback and then implementing it in the next demo would go some way to getting a group of people invested.

Edit: To quantify "perform well", Four Warriors of Light has a 200k LTD so I wouldn't be surprised to see Bravely Default do 300k.
 
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duckroll

Member
Erethian said:
Wouldn't be surprised to see Bravely Default perform well with all the promotion (via game demos) they've been doing, trying to build a community around the game. Things like using one demo to get feedback and then implementing it in the next demo would go some way to getting a group of people invested.
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That sort of marketing only gets you the sort of "popularity" that ~100k games get. It's way too limited and niche to have any sort of mainstream impact. Most people don't even know the game exists.
 
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Sage00

Once And Future Member
Erethian said:
Wouldn't be surprised to see Bravely Default perform well with all the promotion (via game demos) they've been doing, trying to build a community around the game. Things like using one demo to get feedback and then implementing it in the next demo would go some way to getting a group of people invested.

Edit: To quantify "perform well", Four Warriors of Light has a 200k LTD so I wouldn't be surprised to see Bravely Default do 300k.
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If BD gets anywhere near FWOL then it'll be doing very well. I don't see it.
 
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Man God

Non-Canon Member
Maybe distancing itself from the tarnished Final Fantasy name will give it new legs!

No chance in hell.
 
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electroplankton

Banned
Bravely Default won't be a blockbuster, but I can see it reaching 250-300k units; 3DS is healthy, Square is pushing it quite nicely, and word of mouth can really help.
 
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electroplankton

Banned
Kagari said:
KH3D.
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So what?
There are a wide array of reasons why KH3D underperformed. On the contrary, Fire Emblem sold 450k, Rune Factory and Etrian Odyssey are having one of the best results of their respective series, and LBX: Baku Boost, Culdcept, Dragon Quest Monsters are all performing well. That is, 3DS is an healthy system, and a viable platform for jRPG.
 
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