At this point even 50~100k sellers are better than nothing. Maybe there'll be a niche for some companies on Vita after all, no?
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Media Create Sales: Week 31, 2012 (Jul 30 - Aug 05)
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Exterminieren
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That reminds me: I'll be fascinated to see if Nobunaga's Ambition does good numbers in the wake of Pokemon Conquest.
metalslimer
Member
All those games together probably won't even boost Vita above 20k let alone 3DS levels and that's just for a week or two.
DR2K
Banned
I was stating like every international DQ, the numbers will be irrelevant compared to JP. SE is going to need to retain the majority of these numbers for a long time. I just don't see this as good.
[PS3] LittleBigPlanet (SCE) - 47.086 / 99.984 / 47,09% 30/10/08
[PS3] LittleBigPlanet 2 (SCE) - 24.736 / 31.181 / 79,33% 10/02/11
[PSP] LittleBigPlanet Portable (SCE) - 4.400 / 20.148 / 21,84% 03/12/09
[PSP] Ys Seven (Nihon Falcom) - 42.816 / 57.564 / 74,38% 17/09/09
[PSP] Ys Vs. Sora No Kiseki: Alternative Saga (Falcom) - 40.036 / 54.135 / 73,96% 29/07/10
[PSP] Ys: Oath of Felghana (Nihon Falcom) - 20.717 / 37.244 / 55,63% 22/04/10
[PSP] Ys I & II: Chronicles (Nihon Falcom) - 20.240 / 24.452 / 82,77% 16/07/09
[PSP] DJ Max Portable 3 (CyberFront) - 8.812 / 8.812 / 100,00% 17/02/11
anything under 3 mil would be a disappointment.
MasterSheen
Member
They never said when.
PSP entries LTD:
YS 7 : 68K
LBP Portable : 20K
DJ Max Portable 3 : 8K (can't find the others)
metalslimer
Member
He said flop not disappointment. Under 3 would certainly be a disappointment. The thing about NSMB DS was that it had years to breathe and sell by itself. NSMB2 has like 3 months before another one comes out, and I would be hard pressed to say that there isn't a huge overlap between the two.
Not when the userbase is that low. Those games on PSP did that much with a userbase 15x as high. Of course userbase isn't everything though.
DragonSworne
Banned
DQX is insane when you consider there will be a better version coming out in the near future.
DragonSworne
Banned
test_account
XP-39C²
Yes, totally depends on what the developers want to make.
electroplankton
Banned
As it helped Dokuro
I don't think NSMBU will cut NSMB2's legs off. If anything, they'll have that crazy Nintendo-esque synergy, like the way Mario Kart 7 boosted Mario Kart Wii sales when it was released.
Not even half a year ago, a large amount of people in these threads regarded 500LTD sales for DQX as a little outlandish. Now it's started with 400k and should easily be able to reach 700k-800k on Wii alone. That's not a bomb, that's quite solid.
Keep in mind that DQX should be a pretty small/low-budget MMORPG compared to most other MMOs out there. It doesn't need a million subscribers in order to turn a nice profit for a long time.
Of course, whether or not it'll continue to perform good is a question that can't be answered at this point and is something that largely depends on SE's moves from now on. If they keep a steady flow of updates to keep players interested and if they transition to the Wii U smoothly, there shouldn't be any worries whatsoever. The opening numbers in any case should be regarded as really satisfying.
Sohter.Nura
Member
As far as NSMB 2 goes, I gotta say, I think people are starting to get burnt out a little on Mario games. Sure, it almost seems like that is impossible, but in the last years we've had:
NSMB DS
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Mario Galaxy 2
NSMB Wii
Super Mario 3D Land
NSMB 3DS
That's a LOT of Mario games in like, 6 or 7 years. Most of them sold like gangbusters, so I think we might be seeing a little fatigue over here.
NSMB DS
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Mario Galaxy 2
NSMB Wii
Super Mario 3D Land
NSMB 3DS
That's a LOT of Mario games in like, 6 or 7 years. Most of them sold like gangbusters, so I think we might be seeing a little fatigue over here.
Didn't DQ IX sell pretty well due to Nintendo pushing it? You also can't just say the numbers will be irrelevant because it's not even close to coming out. If it's pushed like DQ IX was and the Wii U is a hit it has the potential to do well. While you're right that SE will want to retain as many customers as they can, considering it opened at more than 3 times FF IX did so that's a good start. These ARE good numbers, it doesn't matter what you think. Nobody expected millions like the usual DQ games.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
DQ seems kind of low to me. I know it's an MMO and to expect the sales of a regular DQ title is ridiculous. But when I factor in the fact that lets face it, a certain percentage (perhaps even a large percentage) of those people playing now, might not end up being long term players. What if they stop after a month or 2?
I guess that's why sub numbers are so important. Should be interesting.
I guess that's why sub numbers are so important. Should be interesting.
electroplankton
Banned
That's not anything different than what was released on previous Nintendo consoles.
not sure, but the artstyle may be something Japanese gamers aren't interested about
DQ numbers are great for launch week and its not like the game is going to suddenly stop selling. Sub is where the money's at and already DQ has a big pool of potential paying users. Then there is also the Wii U release which will certainly have an impact on the long term sales and profitability of the game.
If Nintendo manages to bring the main Final Fantasy series also on WiiU (as a multiplatform title) Sony will have even more serious problems (in terms of mind and market share) in Japan than this gen. Final Fantasy in its importance to PS3s "success" in Japan, is comparable to MH for PSP. While FF isn´t as big as MH its importance is undeniable.
Not too different from the rest of the world. Oh sure, LBP1 did pretty well in the west after they marketed the shit out of it, but it's been dramatically downhill since.
I don't know, FFXIII and especially FFXIV weren't worth much this gen. The brand is much diminished.
17./14. [3DS] Rune Factory 4: A Fantasy Harvest Moon <SLG> (Marvelous Entertainment) {2012.07.19} (¥5.229) - 9.982 / 117.495 (-47%)
[NDS] Rune Factory: A Fantasy Harvest Moon (Marvelous Entertainment) - 10.208 / 68.596
[NDS] Rune Factory 2 (Marvelous Entertainment) - 8.796 / 82.864
[NDS] Rune Factory 3 (Marvelous Entertainment) - 6.395 / 63.588
22./18. [3DS] Little Battlers eXperience: Explosive Boost <RPG> (Level 5) {2012.07.05} (¥4.400) - 7.542 / 103.738 (-25%)
[PSP] Little Battler Xperience: Boost (Level 5) - 27.513 / 130.198
Note: fifth week for Boost was between 12/19 and 12/25 last year
14./11. [PS3] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 2012 <SPT> (Konami) {2012.07.19} (¥6.980) - 11.710 / 99.219 (-52%)
[PS3] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 2011 (Konami) - 21.312 / 172.003
24./15. [PSP] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 2012 <SPT> (Konami) {2012.07.19} (¥5.250) - 7.192 / 46.801 (-45%)
[PSP] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 2011 (Konami) - 20.582 / 118.397
Seriously, what the fuck happened with Jikkyou.
[NDS] Rune Factory: A Fantasy Harvest Moon (Marvelous Entertainment) - 10.208 / 68.596
[NDS] Rune Factory 2 (Marvelous Entertainment) - 8.796 / 82.864
[NDS] Rune Factory 3 (Marvelous Entertainment) - 6.395 / 63.588
22./18. [3DS] Little Battlers eXperience: Explosive Boost <RPG> (Level 5) {2012.07.05} (¥4.400) - 7.542 / 103.738 (-25%)
[PSP] Little Battler Xperience: Boost (Level 5) - 27.513 / 130.198
Note: fifth week for Boost was between 12/19 and 12/25 last year
14./11. [PS3] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 2012 <SPT> (Konami) {2012.07.19} (¥6.980) - 11.710 / 99.219 (-52%)
[PS3] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 2011 (Konami) - 21.312 / 172.003
24./15. [PSP] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 2012 <SPT> (Konami) {2012.07.19} (¥5.250) - 7.192 / 46.801 (-45%)
[PSP] Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 2011 (Konami) - 20.582 / 118.397
Seriously, what the fuck happened with Jikkyou.
What they need is a new coat of paint on the 2d marios. NSMB graphics look old and
the games all look the same and I think people are tired of it (or at least are not as excited about it as they were). WiiU apparently has the interesting new backgrounds...too bad they didn't change the character models much.
Sohter.Nura
Member
AFAIK, there was one mainline mario game entry on gamecube, and several GBA ports of SNES games. I just think the games have been very similar to each other and they haven't been spaced out as well as before. That's just my opinion, though.
DR2K
Banned
It sold about 100-150k in the US, about 40 times less than it did in Japan.
I don't think they're good because I'm looking more at their bottom line. It's going to be very Japan eccentric sales wise regardless of platform or marketing push. Retention is king though, but it needs to be a very high percentage.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Weak numbers for a mainline DQ title. Wii was a poor choice.
Ok, you seem to be pretty fixed with your idea that anything, after the first week / month, stops selling.
metalslimer
Member
We haven't had this many original Mario plattformers since when, the SNES?
To be honest, I don't think that either NSMB2 or NSMBU will have the same effect for their plattforms (even relatively) than their predecessors. Both games will continue to sell very well, but we are going to witness a very visible decline and I doubt that it'll be just because of the lower userbase of 3DS and Wii U.
Remember the "Nintendo Difference"? Nintendo was actually critical to sequels in the past. Sequels were regarded as a good thing to do, but so was that each new game in the franchise should be able to stand on its own feet. Every sequel should feel fresh and not like "the same old stuff again". You can't see this philosophy in the NSMB series anymore. Instead these games play, feel and look virtually the same. Brand fatigue was only a matter of time.
Releasing NSMB2 and NSMBU so close to each other makes things even worse. These games won't be regarded as something special when you release two in less than half a year -- which is increasingly ironic, considering this time around Nintendo needs both of them to be actual system sellers.
Because it's a great level creator and a bad platformer.
Yeah, it did really well in Europe considering how badly the series has been treated here. Nintendo marketed it a lot and that made it stay on the charts for a while.
It's a new IP that doesn't appeal to the Japanese market and aside from that it isn't a very good game in the first place.
Spieler Eins
Member
They will get their profits through online fees.
If you're talking about the NES/GB combo, you're right.
NES - SMB1,2,3
GB - SML 1,2,3
Total 6
But for SNES/GBC, you had
SNES - SMW (Yoshi's Island wasn't really a Mario game apart from the title)
GBC - WL 2,3 (if you want to consider Wario land a Mario game)
Total 3
On the N64, we had Mario 64, that's it.
For cube/gba, this post
It wasn't always like it is today for Mario. He's being milked, and as long as it makes money they should continue. But in the long run if people find the ideas are stagnating, they'll probably stop buying, which may be happening with NSMB2.
A 48-50% drop for a major title in week 2 is a fantastic hold for Japan. Most decline somewhere from 60-90% from their first week sales in week two. I think it'll be at a million within a few weeks.