Devilgunman
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It did. PS3 has outsold the Wii for the past years in Japan, hasn't it? I'm talking about console market only.
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Media Create Sales: Week 4, 2013 (Jan 21 - Jan 27)
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It did. PS3 has outsold the Wii for the past years in Japan, hasn't it? I'm talking about console market only.
While I don't mean to pick on you specifically, I find it hilarious (and hilariously aggravating) how common this sentiment is when at this same point last year, there were hoards of people tripping over themselves trying to defend the vita and telling everybody to just be patient.
Where's that never ending patience now? Has the vita made pessimists of everyone or do people just like writing off nintendo every chance they get? We got the same crap during the first year of the 3DS now it's over 30 million sales world wide after 2 years on the market.
Yes, these current numbers are atrocious but the idea that the system is already dead after a few short months on shelves is nothing short of wishful thinking.
grimshawish
Banned
Orbis will get Japanese support. Though if Platinum do well and of WiiU turns around...
But those are seriously big ifs.
Everyone claims Japan is handheld only now yet we see the PS3 and its ganes selling really well.
Be interesting to see the support the 3DS should hopefully have in the future though.
But those are seriously big ifs.
Everyone claims Japan is handheld only now yet we see the PS3 and its ganes selling really well.
Be interesting to see the support the 3DS should hopefully have in the future though.
It's still over 3 million behind, it's not dominating at all. The Wii's been dead in Japan for awhile, yet the PS3 still has no chance of overtaking it. And that was with a ton of 3rd party support even before release.
Yep, a lot of people were. Kinda insane considering the titles they had/have in the pipeline, and now the 3DS is over 30 million and the biggest title is still to come.
Wasn't GAF saying the same thing about the 3DS in the first couple of months it was out too? Let's wait a bit while the software starts to come out.
you are funny. Might as well add TLG on the list.
Please define "dominate" since PS3 didn't dominate Japan home console scene at all. Getting third party support doesn't mean it's dominating.
Take that stupid sony fan.
Why would you do that?
Member
Yeah, the Wii U numbers suck (it looks like it'll go below 10k soon, wow) but I'm not worried about it at all. Once the games come out, if its performance still sucks, I will worry then.
Actually, what I am a bit concerned about is that 3rd party developers may not be too keen on developing for it at the moment...
Actually, what I am a bit concerned about is that 3rd party developers may not be too keen on developing for it at the moment...
ShockingAlberto
Member
If Wii U produces compelling software and still flounders, yeah, it's fucked for good.
Right now it's fucked without compelling software. The latter part of this sentiment can be rectified, but it remains to be seen what effect it has on the former.
Right now it's fucked without compelling software. The latter part of this sentiment can be rectified, but it remains to be seen what effect it has on the former.
Yeah that is the concern right now- assuming 3rd parties do have projects in the works, Nintendo has to convince them not to can them because of poor early sales.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I imagine we'll be seeing a wave of PS3-Vita-Wii U titles from Japanese developers.
It will give them the install base they used to see on PSP.
It will give them the install base they used to see on PSP.
Father_Brain
Banned
Biggest question right now, IMO: where the hell is the Japanese third-party support, aside from MH and DQ?
If that picture improves significantly soon - like, next Nintendo Direct soon - it has a shot at doing reasonably well there. If not, it may not fare much better than GC.
(And out of curiosity, are you still expecting "Parity+" from Japanese third parties? Not seeing any sign of that yet, aside from Revelations.)
The silence so far has been pretty deafening, but I am willing to give them one more Nintendo Direct.
I mean both of the other next-gen consoles are rumored to be unveiled by GDC, and the end of February (do they still do Nintendo Directs monthly?) would be the last time they can show off third party support before the other two start playing their hands.
If they don't want to do that by then, it doesn't speak greatly to their support actually existing.
If nothing else the PS3 has proven you can start crappily and recover even ignoring handhelds.
Honestly it's pathetic the way it's only 3 million behind considering the kind of lead the Wii had had all gen.
ShockingAlberto
Member
Not at the moment unless I am told differently.
Father_Brain
Banned
So was the information that led you to say that in August false, or were some projects cancelled since then? I understand if you can't answer.
Well Vita is hard core gamer handheld, hopefully people on gaming forum would like it to succeed, right?
As to the Wii U, main question in the future will be if they get PS4/720 ports or PS3 ports. Because if they dont end up getting PS4/720 games, there will certainly be trouble.
But at the end, wanting/liking game console to fail, no matter who you prefer, is like stabbing yourself at the back. Nintendo or Sony or MS failing in console space means only bad things for gaming industry.
If projects got canceled, I kind of have to wonder what went on given that I feel the Wii U hasn't really been out all that long (especially in Japan) for its sales to have canned lots of projects that were already in development, unless publishers are really fast on the trigger finger these days.
I mean Peter Moore went from "A very exciting machine... There’s nothing that could make me happier." and "Our key franchises will be there. We’ve made that commitment to Nintendo." to (at least according to a GAFfer at a Peter Moore talk) the Wii U is a failure and Nintendo should exit the hardware business, which seems kind of extreme on the relationship change scale.
Unfortunately Japanese executives don't tend to be nearly as talky as the Western ones outside of Wada, so we can't really compare their statements over time to infer how excited they are to support a platform.
I picture two adjoining meeting rooms at Nintendo. On one dude, sad, dejected souks with buried heads listening to the other dude celebrating. Iwata moving between the two and adjusting his emotion seamlessly.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Wii U upcoming 3rd party lineup:
01.31.13 Fist of the North Star: Ken's Rage 2 (Tecmo Koei)
02.21.13 Tank! Tank! Tank! (Namco Bandai)
03.14.13 Need for Speed: Most Wanted - A Criterion Game (EA)
05.23.13 Resident Evil: Revelations Unveiled Edition (Capcom)
spring 2013 Dragon Quest X: Mezameshi Itsutsu no Shuzoku Online (Square Enix)
Wii U upcoming 1st party software
02.20.13 Fire Emblem: Monshou no Nazo (Virtual Console SFC)
03.20.13 Earthbound (Virtual Console SFC)
03.28.13 Game & Wario
04.17.13 Kirby's Adventure (Virtual Console FC)
05.15.13 Super Metroid (Virtual Console SFC)
06.12.13 Yoshi (Virtual Console FC)
07.15.13 Donkey Kong (Virtual Console FC)
spring 2013 Wii U Panorama View (eShop)
spring/summer 2013 Pikmin 3
spring/summer 2013 The Wonderful 101
spring/summer 2013 Wii Fit U
summer 2013 Wii Party
fall 2013 The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
tba Bayonetta 2
tba LEGO City: Undercover
tba Mario Kart
tba Rayman Legends
tba Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem
tba Super Mario
tba Super Smash Bros.
tba The Legend of Zelda
tba X
tba Yoshi Land
01.31.13 Fist of the North Star: Ken's Rage 2 (Tecmo Koei)
02.21.13 Tank! Tank! Tank! (Namco Bandai)
03.14.13 Need for Speed: Most Wanted - A Criterion Game (EA)
05.23.13 Resident Evil: Revelations Unveiled Edition (Capcom)
spring 2013 Dragon Quest X: Mezameshi Itsutsu no Shuzoku Online (Square Enix)
Wii U upcoming 1st party software
02.20.13 Fire Emblem: Monshou no Nazo (Virtual Console SFC)
03.20.13 Earthbound (Virtual Console SFC)
03.28.13 Game & Wario
04.17.13 Kirby's Adventure (Virtual Console FC)
05.15.13 Super Metroid (Virtual Console SFC)
06.12.13 Yoshi (Virtual Console FC)
07.15.13 Donkey Kong (Virtual Console FC)
spring 2013 Wii U Panorama View (eShop)
spring/summer 2013 Pikmin 3
spring/summer 2013 The Wonderful 101
spring/summer 2013 Wii Fit U
summer 2013 Wii Party
fall 2013 The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
tba Bayonetta 2
tba LEGO City: Undercover
tba Mario Kart
tba Rayman Legends
tba Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem
tba Super Mario
tba Super Smash Bros.
tba The Legend of Zelda
tba X
tba Yoshi Land
This question is pretty easy to answer, it will get neither.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Additionally, they're going to be the same thing anyway (MGSV, Dark Souls II, etc).
Which is actually an amazing thing. My cousin has competed in them.
This shit has to stop.
Thing is it's the third party stuff I'm wanting.
Duuude didnt you heard? everything is under NDA!.
dakkumauji
Member
Bad numbers for NI. :[
Maybe they should have put more effort into hastening that anime adaption of it so more people will notice it exists.
Maybe they should have put more effort into hastening that anime adaption of it so more people will notice it exists.
Hm strange. Before the launch people kept telling me that NSMBU, Monster Hunter and DQ would be more than enough to rule Japan for the next 100 years.
H_Prestige
Banned
I also remember hearing the same thing.
Nintendo didn't orchestrate some complex gameplan with the 3ds. All they did was drop the price and start releasing already announced games. Result = sales take off like a rocket in the one region that is receptive towards handhelds.
Nintendo could drop the price of the Wii U, but it's barely any more expensive than a ps3 to begin with, so can you really say price is a problem? They can release already announced....oh wait there's nothing worth a damn announced. And Japan doesn't really like home consoles anymore, so there's also that little issue. How is this anything like the 3ds again?
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Shouldn't have bought a Wii U then? :[Thing is it's the third party stuff I'm wanting.
Lord_Byron28
Member
I think people who were optimistic about wii u were expecting wii fit plus, the wonderful 101, game & wario, pikmin 3, NSMBU, DQX, MH3G and Nintendoland within the first few months of the systems lifespan like Nintendo had said.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
I can see the WiiU go below 10k. Can not wait to see that for the reactions alone. It is clear the WiiU is not a Wii. The WiiU has no big releases to boost those hardware sales till March where Game and Wario launches and that is not even a big title. Its a piss poor launch lineup and Nintendo thought they could get away with just because they have MH ultimate and NSMBU.
With the WiiU showing such abysmal sales and even the ps3 possibly consistently outselling it throughout this month, it feels to me that Nintendo has totally wasted their head start. They should of released soem big titles in Q1 but it seems most are saved for the fall when the PS4 launches (if it does).
If PS4 has the right price and right games (MGS,FF,GT) then I can totally see the PS4 dominating the console space in Japan.
The PS3 had the third parties on board.....FF, MGS,Tales of, RE, all acted like exclusives to the PS3 due to the 360's failure. The WiiU does not have the third party support and its very unlikely it will be exclusive. Furthermore it is clear Nintendo's franchises are far more successful on their handhelds and it is very unlikely the WiiU will get a mainline DQ or MH.
It is also pretty clear the casuals arre not adopting this system like the Wii so Nintendo's Wii lineup of games may not fare as well as they did last time. It will be interesting to see how Wii fit U does but I am not expecting anything spectacular.
With the WiiU showing such abysmal sales and even the ps3 possibly consistently outselling it throughout this month, it feels to me that Nintendo has totally wasted their head start. They should of released soem big titles in Q1 but it seems most are saved for the fall when the PS4 launches (if it does).
If PS4 has the right price and right games (MGS,FF,GT) then I can totally see the PS4 dominating the console space in Japan.
The PS3 had the third parties on board.....FF, MGS,Tales of, RE, all acted like exclusives to the PS3 due to the 360's failure. The WiiU does not have the third party support and its very unlikely it will be exclusive. Furthermore it is clear Nintendo's franchises are far more successful on their handhelds and it is very unlikely the WiiU will get a mainline DQ or MH.
It is also pretty clear the casuals arre not adopting this system like the Wii so Nintendo's Wii lineup of games may not fare as well as they did last time. It will be interesting to see how Wii fit U does but I am not expecting anything spectacular.
I guess positive thing about Orbis and 720 would be that it will be easier to make good looking games on it than on PS3. It will be more expensive probably to make the best looking and best animated game ever, but making good looking games will be easier for sure. A lot easier.
Since Japanese devs have struggled with getting their games to run properly, this will probably make it easier for them. Especially for smaller studios that dont have engineering power/budget to spend a lot of time on game engine.
Since Japanese devs have struggled with getting their games to run properly, this will probably make it easier for them. Especially for smaller studios that dont have engineering power/budget to spend a lot of time on game engine.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Most Japanese devs have no reason to support Duranorbis, especially the ones who had trouble getting up speed on PS360. Durangorbis 3rd party software lineups are going to be mainly western games and Japanese games targeted primairily at the west.
They did a good job ramming NSMB into the ground.
Yeah, we had such classics threads as "Is there any reason Wii U won't dominate in Japan?" due to Monster Hunter, and Dragon Quest being on Wii U. Evidently, a lot of people just looked at the names, and forgot the games. One is a 3DS port, itself an expanded port of a Wii game. The other is a Wii port. I wouldn't exactly be camping outside waiting for those two.
scheulma said that was better support than what the Wii got, and that it was a sign of intent for future support. With the way Capcom's positioned the franchise, I don't think there will ever be a built for a home console Monster Hunter ever again, so Wii U's looking at more 3DS ports. Dragon Quest spinoffs for Wii U are likely, but it's obvious XI will be a 3DS game, which means XII on Wii U is years off.
It would be highly entertaining if Sony were to pull a miracle with PS4, and have that somehow outsell Wii U in Japan just to see the 180 Dragon Quest should do, lol. The only way that would happen is if Japan suddenly got tired of seeing Mario, and based on the sales charts, they aren't.
scheulma said that was better support than what the Wii got, and that it was a sign of intent for future support. With the way Capcom's positioned the franchise, I don't think there will ever be a built for a home console Monster Hunter ever again, so Wii U's looking at more 3DS ports. Dragon Quest spinoffs for Wii U are likely, but it's obvious XI will be a 3DS game, which means XII on Wii U is years off.
It would be highly entertaining if Sony were to pull a miracle with PS4, and have that somehow outsell Wii U in Japan just to see the 180 Dragon Quest should do, lol. The only way that would happen is if Japan suddenly got tired of seeing Mario, and based on the sales charts, they aren't.
H_Prestige
Banned
So basically the same as ps3/360 third party?
Metallix87
Member
How is Wii U strike 2 with regards to arrogance?
Launch-aligned.
Note, since this draws only from the top 10 it does not represent smaller titles.
e.g., software sales of zero are assumed if the console has no games in the top 10.
As before, based only on the top 10 numbers and skewed appropriately.
Tally of the number of titles for that platform in the top 20 for each week.
I can't find the top 20 for PS3's second week. It has been assumed as zero.
Feel free to criticize or point out mistakes.
I think they made a poor decision pushing out NSMB2 for the non-Japan 3DS market. Even Mario suffers from brand fatigue.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Worse. PS360 got a good amount of JP focused stuff, though I expect some of the usual stawarts will still probably try to hold on with Orbis (NIS, Falcom, Gust, etc) like they are with Vita. I think there's little hope for Durango though, even the adv/shooter studios seem to be pulling back on 360.
At this point I think MMOs will be the only mainlines on consoles going forward. Which probably means DQXIII or DQXIV in a decade.
Maybe Wii U can get DQI-VI on the Virtual Console though.
AranhaHunter
Banned
The only way I see DQ on a PS platform in the foreseeable future is if Sony buys another 42% of SE and therefore controls them. Needless to say that's not happening given Sony's current financial situation and focus. If PS4 were to outsell the WiiU in Japan, the DQ series would just stay exclusive to the 3DS. I'm actually kinda surprised DQX is not on 3DS, maybe it's not capable of running MMOs?
Speaking of which will DQX Wii and DQX Wii U share the same servers or different servers?
Supermanisdead
Member
As long as this doesn't affect the localization of SMT vs Fire Emblem, I don't care. I think they can get out of this slump. They still have their own first party studios.
Launch-aligned.
Note, since this draws only from the top 10 it does not represent smaller titles.
e.g., software sales of zero are assumed if the console has no games in the top 10.
As before, based only on the top 10 numbers and skewed appropriately.
Tally of the number of titles for that platform in the top 20 for each week.
I can't find the top 20 for PS3's second week. It has been assumed as zero.
Feel free to criticize or point out mistakes.
Obviously PSV and PS3 did worse than WiiU.
yup. and way more fun because there are no lance armstrong micheal phelps types.