Sticker Star was my GOTY across all platforms. It's now the best selling Paper Mario game ever in Japan. Sucks that you don't like it, I guess.
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Media Create Sales: Week 6, 2013 (Feb 04 - Feb 10)
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I'll read through the rest of the thread when I get home so this might be a little off topic, but here's something that seemed strange to me when making the chart.
How were the PS3's sales so high when it had such a horrible software drought following launch? Its software situation was objectively worse than the Vita or Wii U. Was it a holiday boost or the effect of the PS2? Better 2006-2007 economy?
How were the PS3's sales so high when it had such a horrible software drought following launch? Its software situation was objectively worse than the Vita or Wii U. Was it a holiday boost or the effect of the PS2? Better 2006-2007 economy?
Reggie is, and other nintendo spokes people, they've talked about how this time WiiU can achieve more than Wii sales wise.
The winning console is 1 out of 3 or 4, so, in that sense, yes, they are the exception.
Judging by the metascore and GAF responses I'd say that a lot of PM fans don't like it.
Baconsammy
Banned
Remind me again who set the Wii U sale's projections? Then remind yourself who just reset those projections and reduced them by 1.5 millon units. Are you seriously telling me Nintendo didn't expect another Wii out of the gate? Now read the threads from just before release. Notice all the people (my idiot self included) that said the Wii U would be hard to find in any store for months after release. Pachter, the mangod of awesome predictions himself, projected that the Wii U would sell out consistently through April. He bought Iwata's projections hook line and sinker. Now tell me again with a straight face that I'm making stuff up.
I think Reggie was speaking about lifetime sales. I bet the PS3 even sells what the Wii eventually did. I was speaking more about launch expectations. The way Wii sales fell off a cliff 3 years ago, it shouldnt be out of the realm of reality for Nintendo to expect to sell as many Wii Us as they did Wii if they don't make the mistake of cutting off support for it years in advance of a new console. I also assume they thought they'd have much better third party support this time around.
Metascore isn't really any indication of how a market reacted to a product. Success and long legs are much better in this case. GAF isn't either, but even in this case there's plenty of us around here who think Sticker Star was fantastic.
But hey, people don't really enjoy NSMB games and stuff.
You actually did. Everyone who quoted you thought you meant the Japanese releases because there is no indication it's a discussion about WW release.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
lol since when was this a nintendo thread. Theres no need to get so defensive about another person's comment unless it is factually wrong (or morally).
metalslimer
Member
Do you think Monster Hunter 4 would save Vita?
Edit: Paper Mario's seemingly underperformance in the west will probably give Nintendo pause about what happened with that title. Although honestly the 3DS market in the west is probably to blame for that rather the general public just not liking it.
Woah, the PS3 had a seriously rocky opening. Astonishing turnaround that console has seen.All charts launch-aligned.
electroplankton
Banned
That's not very true. I liked the DS library a lot, and in the meanwhile I found satisfying PSP line-up. Vita is not having a fraction of what the PSP had.
In any case, the two most successful PM games are SPM and Sticker Star. I really doubt Nintendo is going back to the TTYD/64 formula, and as much as I love all four games I really don't mind the series losing its RPG-ness one bit.
metalslimer
Member
PS3's problem was always just the price was too damn high. It always (by default) was going to be the Japanese 3rd party console of choice and due to that it was able to recover. It's why the PS4 will have a rough road launching in Japan at 40k yen.
In Japan.
Just gives you an idea of how in this industry, you can never be sure, it isn't over until the fat lady sings. That goes for vita as well.
Baconsammy
Banned
It's not odd for a sales thread to take a few detours after 5 pages of the usual "3DS is beasting, Vita is dead, Wii U's in trouble, 360 Who?" comments. NPDs threads are the same. They start specific and then get more general as the sales for one specific region are viewed in the bigger picture. The Vita's problem is that the big picture is pretty much the same as each and every microcosm. In other words doing poorly. Wii U is the same. 3DS is a different beast altogether. Gangbusters in Japan, much more tepid most everywhere else, but still on a completely different level than Vita.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
you're seeing the future of wii u, old chap.
metalslimer
Member
2 years of massively underperforming to be saved when the console is half of its launch price and a large selection of 3rd party games?
When Vita has announced successors to Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, Tales, and Yakuza I will say there is a chance. While people called the PS3 dead, the 360 didn't stand a chance. The Vita is the scenario where the 360 was actuallly able to dominate Japan and the ps3 didn't get multiplats with the 360.
Father_Brain
Banned
If there actually is a JP Nintendo Direct tomorrow, and it does include third-party Wii U games... well, no more benefit of the doubt on Japanese support if that fails to deliver. Not that I'm giving them much as is.
Did SPM underperfom overseas? I really have no idea about non-Japanese numbers for Paper Mario games.
Baconsammy
Banned
Unless they find a lot of third party support under their couch, I doubt it. Although one huge Dragon Quest or Pokemon game could make up for the sales of an army of third parties in Japan.
metalslimer
Member
I was actually talking about Sticker Star. I believe SPM is the best selling overseas as well.
It's just surprising when you see it laid out like that. I remember the rough start in all regions (although it did OK here in the UK).
Indeed. Even now we won't know who 'won' this gen for a few more years. I think we can comfortably count the Vita out as a 'serious' contender to the 3DS but there's still time for it to struggle to a point where we say 'I can't believe people genuinely thought this would be discontinued in 2013'.
In Japan? Probably. Globally? I doubt it. Mind you, the Wii-U will always live under the shadow of the Wii which is a tough burden. Much like the PS3 following the PS2, I guess.
jeremy1456
Junior Member
No reasonable person ever, not even for a second, doubted that the 3DS would be a huge success.
famfrit
Member
you're dreaming...
Not necessarily. Sony cares a lot more about the success of its consoles than its handhelds.
metalslimer
Member
I never doubted it would succeed in Japan. I did certainly expect Vita to put up a much bigger fight before the price drop/MH announcement. At that point it was pretty much over.
It's certainly not a failure, but I wouldn't call the way the 3DS has been handled in the west a real success story either with the overpriced games, long localizations, lack of colors, etc.
famfrit
Member
Make sense. PSP have less than 30% of market share, looks logic that Vita cant surpass 3ds when PSP cant do anything against DS.
Plus, Sony pokémon killer Monster Hunter is on 3DS now...
Thats why sony needs Invizimals to just kill for ever pokémon on the globe
just kidding XD vita will be dead when pokemon XY launch
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Some people on GAF STILL argue that it is a failure. Ridiculous.
frankie_baby
Member
apart from launch day ps3 launched horribly in the uk, massively overshipped with several retailers discounting it by 50 quid within the first week
famfrit
Member
cant believe. request some quote.
Yup, simply becuase it won't sell as much as the fuckin' DS.
michaelius
Banned
I'm very wide awake, I'm sure if you ask smoky Dave he'll agree that I'm not exactly an advocate for vita, but I'm not blind either. The generation has just begun.
Are you speaking strictly about Japan or globally?
It's missed every sales projection Nintendo ever set for it hasn't it? It's not that huge of a stretch to class that as 'failure', even if it's a roaring success in one region.
Before someone jumps down my throat with 'IT'S A JAPANESE THREAD!', I'm just enquiring as to how the device has been categorised as a failure. Some quotes would help.
Baconsammy
Banned
So your issue is with Nintendo themselves then. Remember, the only sales metrics that really matter are the ones set by the company selling the product. If they fail to reach their own goals, they're by definition failing.
Baconsammy
Banned
I doubt any company sets out to do worse than they did the prior generation. So I'd say yes they believed they could. And now possibly they don't, but secretly hope that they can. They'll never replicate the Wii's stellar start at this point. It's too late for that, but it's not too late to outsell it. Like I said, the PS3 will probably outsell the Wii when all is said and done. They probably have more realistic numbers in mind for the 3DS as well since smartphones/tablets have destroyed a large portion of their DS audience.
timetokill
Banned
By definition failing to meet their own estimates, you mean, sam.
There are lots of metrics to be measured against. "Failing" when used by consumer media for instance generally refers to a product which is not healthy or gaining any traction in the market. The 3DS is neither.
Nintendo are bullish with their predictions.
Yet didn't 3DS sell the most consoles last year WW, out of all machines?
That's another mean to measure success. If you are failing when you are the best, what does it say about others behind you?
Besides 3DS western lineup was pretty disappointing last year.
2013 is another story, even when you put aside the pokebomb.
test_account
XP-39C²
Which 3DS games are coming out in 2013 that has much sales potential in the west? Besides Pokemon as you mentioned. Animal Crossing i guess is one of them, but what else is there?
Baconsammy
Banned
Most companies are bullish with predictions. And then they readjust (or in the case of Sony they readjust, and then readjust, and then readjust and...you get it). The problem with Nintendo being ultra-bullish is that they're selling a bill of goods to third parties about what to expect sales-wise, so those companies make their own sales estimates for their games based on Nintendo's. Unfortunately unlike on TV where if a network claims a show will get X amount of viewers and then charges advertisers X amount of money to advertise on the show, Nintendo won't make up the costs to the third parties for their inflated estimates that dont get met. Regardless though, publishers should be coming up with their own ballpark estimates as well and not rely on Nintendo. I dont think you'll find many people that thought the Wii U would gain so little traction out of the gate after how well the Wii performed.
It's Pokemon. Animal Crossing has been popular here, but it's not nearly what it is in Japan.
In the near future we can look forward to Fire Emblem, Luigi's Mansion, Castlevania, Brain Training or Monster Hunter.
And before anyone asks, yes these games have the potential to sell well, even in the west! Yeah, shock horror!
FreedomFighter
Member
Why can't it go for Wii U too?