Isn't that the Game & Watch?
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Media Create Sales: Week 6, 2013 (Feb 04 - Feb 10)
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Isn't that the Game & Watch?
Nice. haha
Well, the more big 3rd party games they announce for the 3DS the less will be left for the PS4. That's one strategy, I guess...
Right now Nintendo's 3rd party push for the Wii U seems to be proportional to Sony's 3rd party push for the Vita. Sony fans wish Sony's 3rd party push for the PS4 will be proportional to Nintendo's 3rd push for the 3DS.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
how so? soul sacrifice seems very hyped, (albeit its hyped among the vita fans community). serious question, because it has serious budget and inafune tagged on it, and its the next big vita game after assassin's creed last year.
StreetsAhead
Member
A successful new IP in Japan typically ends up with 300K of sales, right now. Short of it being a break out success, I don't see it doing much more than that at best.
MasterSheen
Member
Lol how did I know AC was going to rise this week.
What? I should hope that Soul Sacrifice is aiming higher.
06./00. [PSV] Assassin's Creed III: Liberation <ACT> (Ubisoft) {2012.11.15} (¥6.090) - 24.304 / NEW
Eh. In absolute terms, yes but per game investment I think that's probably a no. I can't get a lot of my PSP games in any manner on my Vita and need a PS3 to get others. The memory is several times more expensive and limited (at the moment) and I don't have the option to go retail at all which in many cases is cheaper. Swapping accounts is tedious and simply not worth the hassle, so I'm limited to one region. There's not really a market for people who want to pay THAT MUCH extra for marginal improvements in their PSP games and an (at least to the mass market) unattractive Vita library.
Allan Holdsworth
Member
Compared to SPM? Probably, that game sold a lot in the west to people that wanted a 2D Mario. Compared to 64/TTYD? Unless you have a source, I'm assuming you're making it up due to your dislike of the game.
metalslimer
Member
I later clarified I meant in comparison to SPM although it wouldn't surprise me if SS was below TTYD.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
But this is Sony's real answer to Monster Hunter though, so i imagine it will perform better than other successful new IP.
Father_Brain
Banned
Well, I believe God Eater was the most successful IP debut not from Nintendo released in the last five years or so... but that was released on a platform with a much larger userbase, and actually had MH coattails to ride. 300K is probably the ceiling for it.
metalslimer
Member
Yes, because Sony's amazing 1st party successes in Japan over the last decade certainly give me faith this will be a breakout hit.
Does Sony's involvement make Soul Sacrifice different than God Eater, Toriko, Kaijuu Busters or any of the other MH clones that have only declined from their previous installments? Will it make people buy a Vita and keep it?
It's awfully early to be saying this (considering that Vita has only been on the market for a little more than a year), but you have to start wondering if the Vita will ever have any game reach 300k in sales (retail). Topping out at 200k+ for the top games would leave it in XBox/360 territory.
Dash Kappei
Not actually that important
Also the opposite for Sega Megadrive/Genesis (poorly in Japan, good/very good in EU and awesome in the US)
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Vita doesn't have a MH, so I imagine the MH-starved sony fans will settle for this even if it is a clone (god eater 2 sales will be split between vita and psp, so i dont see it much as a system seller compare to SS. same for PSO2). I think people will buy a vita for this, but whether they will keep it , i doubt so. Not saying this will be successful on the level of MH and others, but a moderate success as a vita title compared to past Vita efforts.
StreetsAhead
Member
While I dispute that there were many fans of the PSP/Sony itself and not the games (i.e. Monster Hunter) who own only own a Vita and are starved for a Monster Hunter-like game, 300K sales would make it more than a moderate success for the platform.
bigtroyjon
Member
PSP+PSV(2012 YTD)=284,984
PSP+PSV(2013 YTD)=204,968(-28.1%)
Looking ahead to week 7, PSP+PSV did 27,133 in 2012.
3DS(2012 YTD)=649,812
3DS(2013 YTD)=734,276(+13.0%)
Looking ahead to week 6, 3DS did 94,667 in 2012.
All Handhelds(2012 YTD)=934,796
All Handhelds(2013 YTD)=939,244(+.5%) Big 3DS week lifts them all from negative 5.5 to positive territory.
PSP+PSV(2013 YTD)=204,968(-28.1%)
Looking ahead to week 7, PSP+PSV did 27,133 in 2012.
3DS(2012 YTD)=649,812
3DS(2013 YTD)=734,276(+13.0%)
Looking ahead to week 6, 3DS did 94,667 in 2012.
All Handhelds(2012 YTD)=934,796
All Handhelds(2013 YTD)=939,244(+.5%) Big 3DS week lifts them all from negative 5.5 to positive territory.
StreetsAhead
Member
So, just came back from the brand new (first) Geo in my city. New game display distribution was:
3DS > PS3 > PSP = Wii U > DS > Wii > Xbox 360 = Vita
There was only one shelving unit for Xbox/Vita each and the 3DS had 12.
In terms of closeness to the door:
PS3 -> Wii U -> Wii -> 3DS -> PSP > Vita -> Xbox 360
3DS > PS3 > PSP = Wii U > DS > Wii > Xbox 360 = Vita
There was only one shelving unit for Xbox/Vita each and the 3DS had 12.
In terms of closeness to the door:
PS3 -> Wii U -> Wii -> 3DS -> PSP > Vita -> Xbox 360
test_account
XP-39C²
I have to admit that i forgot about the Black Friday prices, but those were also a one-day-only offer however. It required people to know about the offer on that one particular day, and it applied to the US only. Based on this, personally i wouldnt say that it effectively had a pricedrop for this holiday season in the west. A permanent pricedrop will be something diffferent, and it will take some time to see the potential working effect. For example, how would the November sales have been if the bundles were available throughout whole November at $200? It is also the question about how much improvement one is expecting from a pricedrop.
frankie_baby
Member
there were also a lot of very widespread and well advertised reduced price bundles in europe and they lasted a lot longer than one day
Mario & Luigi RPG, Mario Golf, and DKR 3DS for summer plus MH4
Pokemon X/Y for Fall
pretty good lineup
it might be very hyped for people who own a Vita but there is no indication it has any hype for anyone who doesn't have Vita. While it's not an absolute measure, Soul Sacrifice has done nothing on COMG and Amazon preorder chart.
(COMG, From Road's post earlier in the thread)
23 days away:
[PSV] ToI R - 30pt
[PSV] ToH R - 35pt
[PSV] Gravity Rush - not in top 20 (<17pt)
[PSV] Soul Sacrifice - not in top 20 (<35pt)
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ToI R sold less than 100K. It would be mighty impressive for Soul Sacrifice to sell 300K which is what Bravely Default sold on 3DS as a new IP with good word of mouth.
Pokemon X/Y for Fall
pretty good lineup
it might be very hyped for people who own a Vita but there is no indication it has any hype for anyone who doesn't have Vita. While it's not an absolute measure, Soul Sacrifice has done nothing on COMG and Amazon preorder chart.
(COMG, From Road's post earlier in the thread)
23 days away:
[PSV] ToI R - 30pt
[PSV] ToH R - 35pt
[PSV] Gravity Rush - not in top 20 (<17pt)
[PSV] Soul Sacrifice - not in top 20 (<35pt)
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ToI R sold less than 100K. It would be mighty impressive for Soul Sacrifice to sell 300K which is what Bravely Default sold on 3DS as a new IP with good word of mouth.
thestopsign
Member
Nintendo really just filled out their lineup nicely for the 3DS. They now have the medium range games in place to carry from Monster Hunter 4 to Pokemon. That isn't counting all the nice 3rd party games that are coming either.
Edit: They also have Layton 6, Phoenix Wright 5, Tamodachi Collection 3DS, Shin Megami Tensei 4, and Luigi's Mansion (maybe more?).
test_account
XP-39C²
I dont doubt there has been some good price during the holiday in some european countries as well, especially in the UK where i know there have been some good priced bundles indeed, but i dont see this on the same line as a permanent pricedrop. Limited time bundle offerings can variate from store to store, and it is not necessarily advertised on the same level as a permanent and nation wide pricedrop could be done. Same thing with the WiiU that have also seen reduced price in the UK for a shorter period of time already, but i dont concider that on the same line as a permanent pricedrop, because i think the effect of this will have to be messured over a period of time.
And just to point out, i'm not arguing how much effect a pricedrop could have, only that i see a difference between a limited time offer and a permanent pricedrop. And i think its fair to mention that the Vita has seen some cheaper priced bundles. But i still want to see what a permanent pricedrop will do (of course games are needed as well, but still).
So, the Nintendo Direct is over, and a Japan third party one was announced next week- for 3DS.
Meanwhile Nintendo's only first party dated game for Wii U is Game & Wario, and they have announced no games for April, when Golden Week hits, and are running out of time to do so.
Wii U has a total of 4 games dated for Japan, one a free to play already released digitally ( tanks), one a western racer that will not sell anything (Need for Speed), a 3DS port also coming for PS360 ( RE:Revelations), and one first party game that might actually sell ( Game & Wario).
So I guess my question is- does Nintendo have some sort of plan for Wii U in Japan? Or are they really this incompetent? Usually I would go with #1, but I also never thought they would release a total of one first party game after launch until April.
Meanwhile Nintendo's only first party dated game for Wii U is Game & Wario, and they have announced no games for April, when Golden Week hits, and are running out of time to do so.
Wii U has a total of 4 games dated for Japan, one a free to play already released digitally ( tanks), one a western racer that will not sell anything (Need for Speed), a 3DS port also coming for PS360 ( RE:Revelations), and one first party game that might actually sell ( Game & Wario).
So I guess my question is- does Nintendo have some sort of plan for Wii U in Japan? Or are they really this incompetent? Usually I would go with #1, but I also never thought they would release a total of one first party game after launch until April.
We'll have to watch the Wii U bombing more and more until the games are ready.
Unlike the Vita, Wii U already have support for the future but it'll take a very long time.
Father_Brain
Banned
Third-party support? Still waiting to see it.
On the first party front, I would have to assume they ran into issues transitioning to HD development.
I mean, if things were actually going totally fine with that, I feel Super Smash Bros would have never been made by Namco Bandai, and as you said we would have seen more first party titles releasing.
Wii U fails so hard.
Let's hope Nintendo won't treat it like an unwanted child again, that thing was expensive
again?
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
I expect either Wii Fit U or Dragon Quest X to slot in there. Probably Fit since I suspect DQX will release in March.
I wonder if Nintendo's still going to publish Rayman Legends in Japan?
Err it's the middle of February and the beta isn't even out- DQ X will maybe hit in May.
And I agree that Nintendo should have something for golden week, but my point is they are running out of time to actually announce a mid April release date.
metalslimer
Member
While I sarcastically suggested Nintendo would have a ND next month for Wii U 3rd party, I think Nintendo might actually do 1 ND a month for each system alternating and announced the Wii Fit U date there. Or Nintendo might not have a golden week game at all. I mean do you remember the 3DS launch? At this point Dragon Quest X will probably be a May title with Pikmin 3 hitting in June.
As for Nintendo having problems with development, I remember seeing someone say Animal Crossing was supposed to be out much earlier last year, so if Nintendo is having problems with 3DS development Wii U development must be a nightmare for them.
It looks like they`ll have 3D Mario Land and the next Mario Kart playable at e3 and they will probably be released in WiiU first year. So i dont get the quite the HD development issue, Wii was a super charged Cube and they still delayed a bunch of games. Nintendo probably needs more dev-teams, but the first party lineup is not that much worse than expected, always figured they would release their bigger titles once the competition launches.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Beta was originally planned to start this month, and still could. Either way we'll likely find out on the 18th.
I know, but they aren't going to date a Dragon Quest game less than a month and a half before release.
Lord_Byron28
Member
Id largely chalk it up to development issues from the transition to HD. Iwata stated they had issues but that they just sorted the kinks out and expect to be much quicker with development.
DQX will be shown on 18th
metalslimer
Member
Iwata himself has already stated they are having trouble with HD development. Supposedly both Retro's game and the new 3D Mario were in a playable state last E3 but they ended up not showing them.
lol u sure about that?
In Europe the official price for a Little Big Planet and a Playstation Allstars PSV bundle is 199. There even have been a lot of commercials in December, January highlighting this price.
It's a new system of course it takes time for them to get to a level where they feel satisfied. Wii versions of Mario Kart, Galaxy or Metroid Prime weren't released sooner even though it was the same hardware they worked for years before.
First Party output is just a problem when third parties have nothing ready to release.