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NolbertoS · Jun 13, 2008

Wow. almost missed reading the NPD thread. I guess I had to slowly step away from playing MGS4 to post

Wii continues to dominate as expected. MS is going to have to spice things up, if it wants to get more people hyped about there hardware.

dammitmattt · Jun 13, 2008

Absinthe said:
The 360 market is really saturated and I don't think Gears of War 2 is going to make people rush out and buy a 360 when most of those people bought a 360 for the first game. Fable 2 is not a system seller either. A price drop is going to help them, but then you have to look at some of the games Sony has coming out. Resistance 2 will be every bit as big as Gears of War 2.

It's not good enough for Sony to be as good as Microsoft. They have to blow them away if they hope to even come close to catching up in the states.

Swifty · Jun 13, 2008

So if Wii obliterates HD gaming, will all the awesome console developers come back to the PC?

jts · Jun 13, 2008

Due to recent events and claims, i decided to break down the Top 10 SW numbers.

Code:

	360	PS3	Wii	PS2	DS		PS3+360         Wii
	871.300	442.900	787.400	130.600	107.000		1.314.200	2.057.600
			687.700		102.000		PS3+360+PS2    	Wii
			294.600				1.444.800	2.057.600
			171.100				PS3+360+PS2+DS	Wii
			116.800				1.653.800	2.057.600
							*$60            *$50
Totals	871.300	442.900	2.057.600 130.600 209.000       $99.228.000,00	$102.880.000,00

Did u rike it?

Raw64life · Jun 13, 2008

Everything not posted in the OP so far...

-----

Rough LTDs:

360 GRAND THEFT AUTO IV: ~2.72 million

PS3 GRAND THEFT AUTO IV: ~1.45 million

WII SUPER SMASH BROS. BRAWL: ~3.2 million
WII GUITAR HERO III: ~2.3 million
WII MARIO KART WII: ~1.9 million

NDS POKEMON MYSTERY DUNGEON: DARKNESS: ~310K
NDS POKEMON MYSTERY DUNGEON: TIME: ~300K

-----

Hardware LTD:

PS2: ~42.2 million
NDS: ~20.0 million
PSP: ~11.7 million
360: ~10.3 million
Wii: ~10.2 million
PS3: ~4.5 million

-----

WII PLAY W/REMOTE - 16 months in the top 10 and counting:

February 07 - 371K
March 07 - 273K
April 07 - 249K
May 07 - 227K
June 07 - 293K
July 07 - 278K
August 07 - 257K
September 07 - 282K
October 07 - 240K
November 07 - 564K
December 07 - 1.1 million
January 08 - 298K
February 08 - 290K
March 08 - 410K
April 08 - 360K
May 08 - 295K

LTD: ~5.8 million

ElyrionX · Jun 13, 2008

Wow. Unbelievably bad month for the 360. What happened to all that software momentum?

diffusionx · Jun 13, 2008

The June numbers probably won't be any better. The PS3 *may* have been held back because people were waiting on the MGS4 pack, but I doubt it. The 360, its just done at this price point.

I am expecting price drop megatons at E3 galore.

XiaNaphryz · Jun 13, 2008

The May NPD party continues:

duk · Jun 13, 2008

drop the fuckin price MS, u idiots

Link Man · Jun 13, 2008

mio said:

Due to recent events and claims, i decided to break down the Top 10 SW numbers.

Code:

	360	PS3	Wii	PS2	DS		PS3+360         Wii
	871.300	442.900	787.400	130.600	107.000		1.314.200	2.057.600
			687.700		102.000		PS3+360+PS2    	Wii
			294.600				1.444.800	2.057.600
			171.100				PS3+360+PS2+DS	Wii
			116.800				1.653.800	2.057.600
							*$60            *$50
Totals	871.300	442.900	2.057.600 130.600 209.000       $99.228.000,00	$102.880.000,00

Did u rike it?

Iwata: *laughs*

Link Man · Jun 13, 2008

diffusionx said:
The June numbers probably won't be any better. The PS3 *may* have been held back because people were waiting on the MGS4 pack, but I doubt it. The 360, its just done at this price point.

I am expecting price drop megatons at E3 galore.

And who do you expect is awaiting a price drop before they purchase one?

RagnarokX · Jun 13, 2008

Ellen's audience demonstrates the NPD:

dammitmattt · Jun 13, 2008

ElyrionX said:
Wow. Unbelievably bad month for the 360. What happened to all that software momentum?

No new software at all.

And they had the best-selling piece of software.

SapientWolf · Jun 13, 2008

mio said:

Due to recent events and claims, i decided to break down the Top 10 SW numbers.

Code:

	360	PS3	Wii	PS2	DS		PS3+360         Wii
	871.300	442.900	787.400	130.600	107.000		1.314.200	2.057.600
			687.700		102.000		PS3+360+PS2    	Wii
			294.600				1.444.800	2.057.600
			171.100				PS3+360+PS2+DS	Wii
			116.800				1.653.800	2.057.600
							*$60            *$50
Totals	871.300	442.900	2.057.600 130.600 209.000       $99.228.000,00	$102.880.000,00

Did u rike it?

I don't think Wii Play should count as a $50 game.

Windu · Jun 13, 2008

Interesting software numbers. 5 out of the top 10 are Wii games. So since the Wii is about the same as the 360 install base now Wii games are selling more. I know 10 games don't tell the whole picture but are Wii gamers buying more software than 360 owners? Or is it just that there are not many new releases for 360?

CartridgeBlower · Jun 13, 2008

Anomaly meaning it's the one that is unusually different/strong for a generation.

Not unlike the PS2.

Or the Super Nintendo.

Or the Gameboy.

So, yes, anomaly.

Not 'fad.'

Anomaly.

Get it?

kame-sennin · Jun 13, 2008

LinkAMN said:
And who do you expect is awaiting a price drop before they purchase one?

This is what I'm thinking. People who shout "drop the price now, MS!" are essentially clinging to the idea that the 360 will be competitive with the Wii at a lower price point. But this isn't going to happen. There's a limited amount of pent up demand, especially when you consider how long the 360 has been on the market. If there's no chance of challenging Nintendo, MS has no reason to price drop. They'd be lowering their margins for a small sales bump.

Link Man · Jun 13, 2008

CartridgeBlower said:
Anomaly meaning it's the one that is unusually strong for a generation.

Not unlike the PS2.

Or the Super Nintendo.

Or the Gameboy.

So, yes, anomaly.

Not fad.

Anomaly. Get it?

The Wii has more in common with the NES than any of those systems.

Olaeh · Jun 13, 2008

leroy hacker said:
Here's the webcomic they're from.

Thank you, these are lovely

RBH · Jun 13, 2008

May's Top 10 Xbox 360 Titles (by units sold):

1. Grand Theft Auto IV
2. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
3. Iron Man
4. Rock Band
5. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock
6. Halo 3
7. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas 2
8. Major League Baseball 2K8
9. Army of Two
10. Saints Row

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/881/881490p1.html

CartridgeBlower · Jun 13, 2008

The NES was the anomaly for it's time period, too.

What's your point?

I'm not saying Wii-type gaming doesn't have a future.

I'm saying HD gaming still does.

Grampa Simpson · Jun 13, 2008

CartridgeBlower said:
The NES was an anomaly, too.

Not saying the Wii-type gaming doesn't have a future.

I'm saying HD gaming still does.

I'm thinking the HD generation doesn't really start until Nintendo says it does.

Mooreberg · Jun 13, 2008

kame-sennin said:
This is what I'm thinking. People who shout "drop the price now, MS!" are essentially clinging to the idea that the 360 will be competitive with the Wii at a lower price point. But this isn't going to happen. There's a limited amount of pent up demand, especially when you consider how long the 360 has been on the market. If there's no chance of challenging Nintendo, MS has no reason to price drop. They'd be lowering their margins for a small sales bump.

They should still want to be a strong second worldwide (like N64). If Sony stays even or slightly above 360 month to month and keeps outselling in Japan and Europe it could shift the attention of publishers that put out games that have at least some appeal in two or all three areas. There is really no reason for only $50 off the main sku after more than 2.5 years. Outselling PS3 when it was overpriced and didn't have a lot of games out wasn't a miracle.

CartridgeBlower · Jun 13, 2008

So Microsoft having an HD system that sales millions of games each month isn't a signal consumers have accepted and embraced HD gaming?

Get off your Nintendo high horse.

I love them as much as the next guy. They're having a great generation.

Just like Sony's had before.

Just like Sega's had before.

Just like Nintendo themselves have had before.

But is it anything more than that? Who the fuck knows.

HD gaming is here. Is it dominating? No. But it's definitely here.

Or maybe you're just blind.

MisterHero · Jun 13, 2008

RagnarokX said:
Ellen's audience demonstrates the NPD:

:lol

:lol @ Castle Vidcons

Wow @ Wii, it really fought off the next-gen!

I wonder what next month will mean for WiiFit. I don't know how big it will be because it's $90, and that many of this month's sales were preorders.

Nevertheless I can't wait to get my feets on it.

Mario Kart did just awesome. The game is a bit of a learning curve for me but the motion controls really get me into the game. Rainbow Road is an absolute mindfuck though. :lol

jts · Jun 13, 2008

SapientWolf said:
I don't think Wii Play should count as a $50 game.

True, but DS and PS2 games aren't $60 either, and then there's the $90 WiiFit.

dammitmattt · Jun 13, 2008

bmf said:
I'm thinking the HD generation doesn't really start until Nintendo says it does.

Nintendo is in front for the first time in 15 years. Don't act like they've been in first place the whole time.

The best-selling games are still HD games (Halo 3, COD4, GTA4).

dammitmattt · Jun 13, 2008

mio said:
True, but DS and PS2 games aren't $60 either, and then there's the $90 WiiFit.

I don't think you get it. Those games are $60 in and of themselves. Wii Play is a $10 game with a $40 controller.

Mooreberg · Jun 13, 2008

If "HD gaming" was a bust, all the third party sales would be on PS2, Wii, and the handhelds. They're actually pretty fortunate that with high hardware prices and abnormal failure rates that there's enough people left to buy so many copies of their games.

sc0la · Jun 13, 2008

:lol

Wii fit just won a "design" award on some bravo tv award show shit. and the skateboarder andy mcdonald accepted for "the Wii"

he obviously didn't give a shit about it as he flubbed the teleprompter

EDIT:
I hate the new nintendo

*goes back to looking for a copy of Wii fit to buy*

Link Man · Jun 13, 2008

CartridgeBlower said:
The NES was the anomaly for it's time period, too.

What's your point?

I'm not saying Wii-type gaming doesn't have a future.

I'm saying HD gaming still does.

The Wii, as well as the NES, followed a highly effective business strategy. Their success is/was not an anomaly, but rather the result of this strategy.

CartridgeBlower · Jun 13, 2008

You don't know what the word anomaly means, do you?

MisterHero · Jun 13, 2008

dammitmattt said:
I don't think you get it. Those games are $60 in and of themselves. Wii Play is a $10 game with a $40 controller.

weren't you saying this last month too?

WiiPlay isn't the only Wii game selling and it isn't screwing with your so-awesome HD games

why the hell do you care so much

Digital-Hero · Jun 13, 2008

There has to be 360 Shortages! :lol

Microsoft

D.Lo · Jun 13, 2008

dammitmattt said:
The best-selling games are still HD games (Halo 3, COD4, GTA4).

Wat.

donny2112 · Jun 13, 2008

CartridgeBlower said:
You don't know what the word anomaly means, do you?

An "anomaly" that has happened for the past three generations can't really be considered an "anomaly" anymore, you know.

Evlar · Jun 13, 2008

CartridgeBlower said:
You don't know what the word anomaly means, do you?

If you really mean to use the word "anomaly" why do your posts keep trying to make a point that Wii isn't unique?

legend166 · Jun 13, 2008

"HD Gaming" is such a retarded phrase.

Please stop using it.

dammitmattt · Jun 13, 2008

MisterHero said:
weren't you saying this last month too?

WiiPlay isn't the only Wii game selling and it isn't screwing with your so-awesome HD games

why the hell do you care so much

Did you read the post I quoted? It made no sense.

D.Lo said:
Wat

Great post. Will read again.

CartridgeBlower · Jun 13, 2008

The Wii is unique it it's execution.

Not in it's sales.

And I said it's THIS GENERATIONS anomaly.

Meaning --

1. a deviation from the common rule, type, arrangement, or form.

It's the one that sticks out among it's fellow competitors. Anomaly.

But that doesn't mean there haven't been others throughout history.

Pretty simple...

Swifty · Jun 13, 2008

Digital-Hero said:
Microsoft AND Sony

Fixed.

Mrbob · Jun 13, 2008

If anything the PS3 is the one tracking fine towards the future. I wouldn't be concerned about it.

PS3 sales have doubled year over year with the 100 dollar price drop. Once the PS3 drops to 299 sales will skyrocket higher. The way the PS3 is trending with each successive price drop it will be selling massive units. 360 is the system stagnating. Drop the price MS.

Link Man · Jun 13, 2008

dammitmattt said:
Nintendo is in front for the first time in 15 years. Don't act like they've been in first place the whole time.

The best-selling games are still HD games (Halo 3, COD4, GTA4).

Yes, but for how long, though?

Brashnir · Jun 13, 2008

RBH said:
May's Top 10 Xbox 360 Titles (by units sold):

1. Grand Theft Auto IV
2. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
3. Iron Man
4. Rock Band
5. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock
6. Halo 3
7. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas 2
8. Major League Baseball 2K8
9. Army of Two
10. Saints Row

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/881/881490p1.html

What the hell? Did SR get a price drop or just a bunch of people buying it after finishing GTA?

dammitmattt · Jun 13, 2008

Mrbob said:
If anything the PS3 is the one tracking fine towards the future. I wouldn't be concerned about it.

PS3 sales have doubled year over year with the 100 dollar price drop. Once the PS3 drops to 299 sales will skyrocket higher. The way the PS3 is trending with each successive price drop it will be selling massive units. 360 is the system stagnating. Drop the price MS.

360 is improved over last year. If only slightly. PS3 is improve over nothing.

I do see your point, but it would only be a concern for MS if they weren't so far ahead of the PS3 already. There's no need to worry about PS3. Wii is the threat.

donny2112 · Jun 13, 2008

CartridgeBlower said:
The Wii is unique it it's execution.

So was the PS1. So was the NES. Point?

CartridgeBlower said:
And I said it's THIS GENERATIONS anomaly.

Not for the entire history of video gaming.

:lol

Hey, everyone! Let's ignore all past history and look only at this generation. Any system not selling like most of the other systems must be an "anomaly" (i.e. it shouldn't count, since it's an outlier).

What's that? I was comparing it to the SNES and PS2? Oh, crap!

CartridgeBlower said:
Meaning --

1. a deviation from the common rule, type, arrangement, or form.

It's the one that sticks out among it's fellow competitors. Anomaly.

But that doesn't mean there haven't been others throughout history.

Pretty simple...

I think the term you're looking for is "winner." :lol

dammitmattt · Jun 13, 2008

LinkAMN said:
Yes, but for how long, though?

Until Animal Crossing.

Digital-Hero · Jun 13, 2008

Swifty said:
Fixed.

Fixed in error.

I do admit the Wii has excellent sales. Its a great system for children.

::goes back to playing MGS4::

ThatObviousUser · Jun 13, 2008

I think Nintendo's going to be in a real strong position next gen. RE6, FF14, etc.-like exclusives will be their's since 3rd-parties will know to focus on them now. And maybe Nintendo will fix the online too.

Even if they're a gen behind and just release a 360 with remote next gen for $250, well, that's still pretty awesome I think.

CartridgeBlower · Jun 13, 2008

Microsoft has no need to worry about the PS3? Huh?

And about the Wii being an anomaly, what aren't people getting?

Every generation has a system that sticks out (hence the word anomaly!!!)

This generation it is the Wii.

An anomaly can happen more than once. It's the deviation from the standard.

Many past systems have 'deviated from the standard.' Hence the use of the word 'anomaly.'

It's not an exclusive thing. Damn...

Sometimes I think some people posting here have never even read a book let alone know what certain words mean.

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