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[Grizzled Ghost]

I dont know why the facepalm...
Does Steam support gamesharing?
Can one Gamepass subscription on PC be used on two PCs at the same time with different accounts?

Afaik no.

Steam does have game sharing FYI, through Family.

Though I don't think you can play simultaneously except in the case of specific shared co-op demos. Far Cry 4 had one iirc.

 

[RaZoR No1]

Steam does have game sharing FYI, through Family.

Though I don't think you can play simultaneously except in the case of specific shared co-op demos. Far Cry 4 had one iirc.

And that is what I know too.
Family Sharing yes, but as soon the owner plays the same game, the other one gets kicked out.
And I need to able to play the same game on two devices.

 

[Hyet]

People are buying new games at record low rates, and PC is at the lowest rate of all the core platforms.

I don't think this is even true, but even if it was, F2P GAAS has become a huge part of the market and that is bound to take a bite out of the premium market. But still: I don't think that isn't true. Franchises that have retained form are selling more than they used to. High profile new IP that meet quality are thriving.

Most of the PC library is shovelware shite that no one buys and no one plays.

Sure, but that is not a PC thing. We all can see it happening on the PS Store and the eShop too.

 

[ToughestSoul]

I remember the doom and gloom around PC around 2006

I was there man

 

[rodrigolfp]

Does Steam support gamesharing?
Can one Gamepass subscription on PC be used on two PCs at the same time with different accounts?

Afaik no.

Steam supports.
Gamepass no, afaik.
Yet every game you can share with anyone you want one way or another, ironically, including my PS, Nintendo, Xbox or whatever console games to emulate.

- not all games support Controllers (Steam Controller options helps alot)
- I always have to go to the settings / graphics options to find the optimal setting for my PC (at least if you play a new game)
- OS and Driver updates...
- Windows itself is not really usable with a Xbox Controller (not tried with a Dualsense), onlx Steam Big Picture saves the day

-You can force controller on almost all games that don't officially support.
-That's a big plus instead of having to suck shit 30fps and/or crap IQ/resolutions and stupid graphics (d)effects like CA and blur(s).
-All automatic.
-It is usable with several controllers.

 

[deeptech]

PC keeps growing, consoles keep dying in irrelevancy.

Spoiler: Sorry

I had to say that

 

[ArtHands]

I'm pretty sure this is entirely due to Asia. China going PC and Japan converting to PC. Very hard to convince Asian parents to buy them an expensive plastic toy compared to a PC which is a productivity device not a consumption device.

Thanks in part of PC serving as a general purpose machine, which you can also use it as a education machine, work tools and more.

games like God of War, Spider-Man, Final Fantasy 7, Uncharted etc coming to PC helps too. Of course it is a mutual benefit: Sony gets to recoup their investment, while PC players can get to play these console games without buying a console.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Yes, off the back of live service slop.

Like Wukong???

 

[HogIsland]

I dont know why the facepalm...
Does Steam support gamesharing?

Steam’s improved family sharing is out now for everyone

It launched in beta earlier this year.

www.theverge.com

 

[TxKnight7]

Guess what 90% of those games look like

How does HB2 & SQ42 or Project mara looks like?
What about the new fable
Perfect dark
OD
?

 

[Sooner]

Because most of the 100 daily throw-away "My first project" indie games are easier to put on PC than console.

 

[Idleyes]

I swear, I can't wait for the day when I no longer need to buy a console to play a game, especially Nintendo's fuck boy console. Nintendo IP's on PC is going to be incredible. Yes, it’s bound to happen , when they finally see that the industry is moving beyond the horizon.

 

[Sentenza]

Steam does have game sharing FYI, through Family.

Though I don't think you can play simultaneously except in the case of specific shared co-op demos. Far Cry 4 had one iirc.

You can share library (except selected titles where the publisher demanded to disable the feature for whatever reason)
AND
if it's a game that supports the so-called "family co-op" you can even play the same game in multiplayer even if just one of the accounts owns a copy.

But yes, you can't play the same single player game on two devices concurrently. Which I think is perfectly fair, for the record.

 

[light2x]

How does HB2 & SQ42 or Project mara looks like?
What about the new fable
Perfect dark
OD
?

So Xbox games and one scamware?

 

[YeulEmeralda]

I dont know why the facepalm...
Does Steam support gamesharing?
Can one Gamepass subscription on PC be used on two PCs at the same time with different accounts?

Afaik no.

Me and my wife play very often together or the same games, so instead of buying a game twice, I can use the gamesharing features of the consoles (one home console license and one account license).

Of course one could argue, PC games are cheaper than console games, but so is console hardware.

If I was the only gamer in my house, then I would have switched to PC years ago, but having me and my wife playing games, console gaming for me is cheaper and definitely more headache free.

Still subpar console experience at the moment for the same or even more money than a console.
It is getting better with Steam OS and the devices.

Again, no need to fidel around with settings, TDP etc. to get the max out of the game.


I am not saying that it is not possible to have the PC behave like a console.
I was suprised with Steam Big Picture and Steam Controller Layouts etc. how easier it got to just use a controller for PC.
But still, it is running on a PC OS with all of its pro and cons..

- not all games support Controllers (Steam Controller options helps alot)
- I always have to go to the settings / graphics options to find the optimal setting for my PC (at least if you play a new game)
- OS and Driver updates...
- Windows itself is not really usable with a Xbox Controller (not tried with a Dualsense), onlx Steam Big Picture saves the day
- Still more complicated etc. than just playing on a console. For example alot of my friends / family member used a PC only for Office tasks. Anything beyond that is too much.
You cannot really give someone who isnt into PCs at all a PC to play games on it, at least it is not that easy as on a console.

IMO it doesnt suprise me that people on a gaming forum playing games on PC are trying to telling me, that PCs are easy etc. but we/you are not on the same level / have the same knowledge about PCs as a "casual gamers"

PC comes close to console experiece, if it is set up correctly, but only close.

Well to be brutally honest I don't care about "easy".
I'm an enthusiast gamer so I have no problem with tweaking and fixing stuff IF it leads to a better experience.

But in no way do I advise everyone to spend 2000-3000 eurodollars and lots of free time on gaming.

 

[RaZoR No1]

Steam’s improved family sharing is out now for everyone

It launched in beta earlier this year.

www.theverge.com

As mentioned before, it does not let me play the same game on 2 devices at the same time.

It is important for me, as me and my wife often play the same games at the same time or together.

If I would game alone or the only gamer here, then I would have switched to PC long time ago, but with multiple gamers in my household, consoles are easier for the wallet and head

 

[RaZoR No1]

Steam supports.
Gamepass no, afaik.
Yet every game you can share with anyone you want one way or another, ironically, including my PS, Nintendo, Xbox or whatever console games to emulate.


-You can force controller on almost all games that don't officially support.
-That's a big plus instead of having to suck shit 30fps and/or crap IQ/resolutions and stupid graphics (d)effects like CA and blur(s).
-All automatic.
-It is usable with several controllers.

Having options is always nice, but when we come home from work, we want the games to just work.

 

[Zacfoldor]

I was thinking about this and I realized that the only good games that come out on PC also come to console. Since Slay the Princess came to PC there is not a single game on PC that I wish was also on console. So keep your sloppy shit. I'm not sure how it is selling to or what it actually is, but wake me up when we are not getting everything that matters from PC development. Never forget the GTA console exclusivity period isn't forced, it is by preference. Think about that. Most of these extra games on PC are probably things that console gamers are actually protected from instead of exposed to, like the many scam games ostensibly coming to PC. Never forget that Nintendo develops exclusively for console and mobile, not PC. So we got the best end of this deal. I'd trade all Nintendo development for shovelware any day....but I'm sure you could just steal them anyway with piracy. Think about that GTA exclusivity period again when you say that.

 

[ArtHands]

How does HB2 & SQ42 or Project mara looks like?
What about the new fable
Perfect dark
OD
?

Certainly look better than Intergalactic: The Heretic Prophet

 

[HogIsland]

As mentioned before, it does not let me play the same game on 2 devices at the same time.

It is important for me, as me and my wife often play the same games at the same time or together.

If I would game alone or the only gamer here, then I would have switched to PC long time ago, but with multiple gamers in my household, consoles are easier for the wallet and head

You pay $80/year for this.

Also, gamesharing only lets you share with one person.

 

[R6Rider]

Well, yeah, but 90% of this is shovelware. PC basically has no entry barrier.

Exactly this. Nearly 20,000 "games" released on Steam last year.

 

[ArtHands]

This is exactly why PC gaming is widening the gap here, with increasing dominance over the gaming industry.

I am glad these games exist even without any console versions in sight.

 

[rofif]

PC is where the heart is.

Sure but also the money.
It’s so expensive nowadays. I wish amd got to work

 

[rodrigolfp]

As mentioned before, it does not let me play the same game on 2 devices at the same time.

PC is not limited to Steam. All games that are not always online can be played at the same time on 2 PCs. Even on the same PC.

Having options is always nice, but when we come home from work, we want the games to just work.

Almost all my games do this. Just works. And almost none running like shit and/or looking like poop and with handicapped controls.

 

[Interfectum]

Microsoft and Sony are handing Valve / Steam the gaming industry on a silver platter.

“Bu bu PC players aren’t the same as console players.”

We’ll see.

 

[RaZoR No1]

You pay $80/year for this.

Also, gamesharing only lets you share with one person.

For Gamepass Ultimate ? I pay less than 80$ per year ATM. But even the games I buy are shared and can be played.
Gamepass was only an example and I just wanted to know / ask, if PC GP is the same as on consoles.

I do not need to share it with multiple people. I just have to be able to play the games with my wife at the same time (max. 2).
Two consoles + one game are cheaper and easier to manage/handle than 2 Gaming PCs and buying the games twice.
Plus the Console OS which is easier to handle/navigate etc. with a pad.

PC is not limited to Steam. All games that are not always online can be played at the same time on 2 PCs. Even on the same PC.

Almost all my games do this. Just works. And almost none running like shit and/or looking like poop and with handicapped controls.

Steam is the biggest platform/shop on PC so I mostly compare consoles with Steam.
Of course there are stores like GOG, where you can buy the games and do whatever you want etc. but going down that rabbit hole would make the topic much much bigger than
it already is.
Multiple Stores do not make the PC experience easier. It complicates it a bit more. In addition to that we have multiple launchers etc.
As soon I start any new game, first thing I have to do is go to settings and check what my PC can handle or not. Nearly non of the standard configs were correct for my PC.


Again, as someone who would only games by myself I would have switched to PC long time ago. In fact I am even more or less trying to play games which are not on consoles on PC.

As soon you are in the PC space and know what to do etc. it is easy for you/us.

BTW: There is a reason it is called PC Master Race.
It is the best platform to play with huge game catalogue, mods, options etc., if you have the money, time and interest.

In the end it does not matter where you play, as long you and I can play what fits us the best.
I am not trying to convert you over to consoles or write bad things about PCs It is just a fact, that preconfigured games on consoles are simpler and easier. Just turn it on and play.
At the same time consoles are not better stronger than a good Gaming PC.

 

[rodrigolfp]

For Gamepass Ultimate ? I pay less than 80$ per year ATM. But even the games I buy are shared and can be played.
Gamepass was only an example and I just wanted to know / ask, if PC GP is the same as on consoles.

I do not need to share it with multiple people. I just have to be able to play the games with my wife at the same time (max. 2).
Two consoles + one game are cheaper and easier to manage/handle than 2 Gaming PCs and buying the games twice.
Plus the Console OS which is easier to handle/navigate etc. with a pad.


Steam is the biggest platform/shop on PC so I mostly compare consoles with Steam.
Of course there are stores like GOG, where you can buy the games and do whatever you want etc. but going down that rabbit hole would make the topic much much bigger than
it already is.
Multiple Stores do not make the PC experience easier. It complicates it a bit more. In addition to that we have multiple launchers etc.
As soon I start any new game, first thing I have to do is go to settings and check what my PC can handle or not. Nearly non of the standard configs were correct for my PC.


Again, as someone who would only games by myself I would have switched to PC long time ago. In fact I am even more or less trying to play games which are not on consoles on PC.

As soon you are in the PC space and know what to do etc. it is easy for you/us.

BTW: There is a reason it is called PC Master Race.
It is the best platform to play with huge game catalogue, mods, options etc., if you have the money, time and interest.

In the end it does not matter where you play, as long you and I can play what fits us the best.
I am not trying to convert you over to consoles or write bad things about PCs It is just a fact, that preconfigured games on consoles are simpler and easier. Just turn it on and play.
At the same time consoles are not better stronger than a good Gaming PC.

The "easier and simpler" argument doesn't work for people on PC because what you call easier and simpler we call "lack of options" and we very much dislike that. Having to "swallow" every shit decision from developers for "preconfigured stuff" is a big NOPE.

 

[Grizzled Ghost]

Sure but also the money.
It’s so expensive nowadays. I wish amd got to work

Upfront cost is larger but you make up for it in all the deep discounts on games.

 

[rofif]

Upfront cost is larger but you make up for it in all the deep discounts on games.

Yeah cdkeys new releases are like 20% discounted compared to steam.
But ps5 physical disc games are also like 60$ from smaller retailers

 

[bender]

Yeah cdkeys new releases are like 20% discounted compared to steam.
But ps5 physical disc games are also like 60$ from smaller retailers

You sacrifice one of Steam’s best features in it’s refund policy buying this way which is especially risky with day one releases and the state a lot of games launch in.

 

[Grizzled Ghost]

Yeah cdkeys new releases are like 20% discounted compared to steam.
But ps5 physical disc games are also like 60$ from smaller retailers

Yeah I was referring to key shop discounts. It's rarely worth it to buy directly from Steam unless it's during one of their big sales events, or one of the rare games that's only available there, like Crypt Custodian.

Unless of course you just want to support the developer which is often the case for smaller indie stuff.

 

[rofif]

You sacrifice one of Steam’s best features in it’s refund policy buying this way which is especially risky with day one releases and the state a lot of games launch in.

don't care. Wil buy from cdkeys even if it's 2$ cheaper

 

[Quixz]

But are they moving units?

 

[Forsete]

But are they moving units?

Planning on buying 2 5090s for 4000 USD each, and run them in SLI. So yes.

 

[ReBurn]

I bought some unreal engine development courses on humble bundle. When I start those I'll technically be a PC game dev, too.

 

[ArtHands]

With Sony now releasing games onto PC and PC continue its importance in the industry, safe to say the percentage will only continue to increase in the upcoming years, with various talented developers rushing to develop on the platform.

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

Wow it's almost like that's what happens when you devalue your consoles, barely put out any exclusives, continually jack up your prices and blow all your time/resources on live service garbage.

If I was Valve I'd put out a Steam console and go in for the kill.