Northeastmonk
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I miss when game design was this simple and still complete.
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I miss when game design was this simple and still complete.
electricmastro
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Various versions of Pac-Man throughout the years. One strange thing I noticed is that the Amstrad version as the maze in red, even though it's meant to be blue:
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InfiniteCombo
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Booted KoF '95 on Saturn again this past weekend. Man, I always have a blast with this game. I didn't take new pictures this time but I'm instead stealing my own pictures from the main Sega Saturn Community Thread.
A few screenshots:
One aspect that I love about this game -- its loading screens. Unlike later King of Fighters games on the Saturn, the ones here don't take very long, and they have A LOT of personality. So they use character portraits in the loading screens; the thing is, the character portraits are NOT the ones you already have in this game. They're different. For some characters, the portrait is from KoF 96 (the next entry); see Kyo's below. But for others, the portrait is custom (see King's portrait below). They're amazing, and I love them:
[EDIT]: The weird lines you see in the victory screen below -- they're TV refresh artifacts, and only there because it's a static picture.
A few screenshots:
One aspect that I love about this game -- its loading screens. Unlike later King of Fighters games on the Saturn, the ones here don't take very long, and they have A LOT of personality. So they use character portraits in the loading screens; the thing is, the character portraits are NOT the ones you already have in this game. They're different. For some characters, the portrait is from KoF 96 (the next entry); see Kyo's below. But for others, the portrait is custom (see King's portrait below). They're amazing, and I love them:
[EDIT]: The weird lines you see in the victory screen below -- they're TV refresh artifacts, and only there because it's a static picture.
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BigDeadFreak
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That was such a fascinating period in gaming. Almost all the consoles released at that time were terrible (32X, CD-i, 3DO, Jaguar, CD32) but there was so much hype and excitement at the same time. Most gamers knew these systems were all a waste of money but the industry seemed blind to it.
I was a teenager at the time and we all just laughed at anyone we knew who wasted their money on these machines. However, the hype in the magazines was pretty intense. That was until the consoles actually came out at which point everyone realised they were all mouth and no trousers.
Rise of the Robots was the game that epitomised this era. It was hyped up to almost hysterical levels. The graphics were going to be photo realistic, the gameplay was going to piss all over Street Fighter 2 and the A.I. was going to be indistinguishable from a real human opponent. The whole thing cost a fortune to make and market (they even hired Brian May to do the music). And yet, when the game came out it wasn't just bad, it was legitimately one of the worst games ever made. Shamefully, some magazines still gave it high scores which was surely the result of bribery.
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A total stinker. I never liked the look of it though. It looked bland and personality free. Which it was.
The gameplay couldn't compete with International Karate on the C64 from 1985.
Damien Crowley
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The gameplay couldnt compete with staring for hours at a drywall... (source: had RotR for Mega Drive)
chaseroni
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Man one time I found a Virtual Boy with everything but the kickstand at a flea market for $40.
I was so excited, the Wario game on there looks so good actually.
Daytonabot
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In terms of vintage stuff, I only collect arcade stuff these days. Almost all of my old console stuff is long gone. I have a pair of Japanese candy cabinets, several fairly high-profile PCBs, and cartridges for Neo Geo MVS, ST-V, Taito F3, and Atomiswave.
TLZ
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No love for NES?
Basically stopped collecting these days apart from the odd item here and there. My main goal was to grab all the hits of the systems I loved growing up, and I've pretty much done that.
Playing them though is... very rare.
To get some use out of them I've been thinking of setting myself a goal: To play through all my Sega Saturn games that I own to completion.
I have probably like 30- would be nice to be able to say "I've finished my entire Saturn collection"
It'd mean subjecting myself to poorer versions of games I could play elsewhere like Resident Evil and Quake, but it is what it is
Playing them though is... very rare.
To get some use out of them I've been thinking of setting myself a goal: To play through all my Sega Saturn games that I own to completion.
I have probably like 30- would be nice to be able to say "I've finished my entire Saturn collection"
It'd mean subjecting myself to poorer versions of games I could play elsewhere like Resident Evil and Quake, but it is what it is
InfiniteCombo
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I guess you can say I used to "collect," but it was with an express purpose of playing whatever systems/games I got.
I've got:
- SNES
- Super Famicom
- Genesis
- 2x Sega Saturn (1 US, 1 JP)
- Dreamcast
- PS2 (JP)
- Wii
And about 20-25 games for each system, except Genesis for which I only have about 10 games or so. Most of the games in my collection are of the moderate/pricey variety, as all games (except for the Super Nintendo ones) are all in pristine, complete-in-box condition, and some (like my PS2 Japanese collection of SNK fighting games, volumes 1 and 2) are pretty rare these days.
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Windle Poons
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
There are some shocking Amigas and ST's on eBay.
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Initially, I kinda wanted to buy a A500 Mini, but in the end I installed Batocera on my Raspberry Pi 4 in an Argon ONE V2 case and I must say I'm very happy with it. The interface is nice & polished, stuff works out of the box, automatic scraping rocks, and I can play on the big screen with a DS4 controller, wirelessly. There's a lot of emulated platforms - apart from Amiga, I use ZX Spectrum, Atari 65XE/800XL, SNES, NeoGeo, ports of Diablo-Quake-Doom-Prince of Persia, and of course ScummVM games.
The only minor let-down is that there's a bug streaming audio to DS4's analog jack output, but I hope it'll be fixed one day (works on Recalbox).
The only minor let-down is that there's a bug streaming audio to DS4's analog jack output, but I hope it'll be fixed one day (works on Recalbox).
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Because the retro market is fucked in general.
Out of curiosity I was looking for a Saturn copy of Rayman and... LMFAO. What a shit show.
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Naked Lunch
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Yeah - if youre not collecting and just looking to play the stuff on Saturn.
At this point - just get a MODE, Fenrir, or the easiest: Pseudo Saturn.
Most Saturn stuff is on average $200 bucks now - just madness.
I bought Saturn Bomberman for $40 in 2006 or so.
On ebay, three copies just sold for $550.00, $699.00 and $816.00! Like what? Completely dumb.
InfiniteCombo
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For retro console stuff, I historically had a very strong stance: if I played something on an actual console or via emulation, it was because I owned it physically.
The Saturn (and GameCube) shenanigans are making me seriously reconsider that stance. Shit is nuts... (Although in fairness for most retro consoles I have, I own most of the games I want to play anyway)
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Naked Lunch
elaborating on my "shit is nuts..." statement. So Rayman is actually on the cheaper side of things.There is this game on the Saturn that I learned about a couple of years ago, a game named Super Tempo, I think. It's one of the most beautiful 2D games I have ever seen in my life. So reading about it, I learned that it was (as many things were towards the end of the Saturn's life) a Japan-only release.
Went to eBay. Disc-only copies could run you $400 or more. Complete in box copies above $550. LMAO, what the fuck
Something like Street Fighter Zero 3, I don't care if the Saturn version is prohibitively expensive because I have many other ways of playing it. But Super Tempo, it's stuck on the Saturn, with no signs of ever getting out of that console. So, I'll have to look for, hmmm, "alternative" ways of playing it. (Wink wink nod nod)
Naked Lunch
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I hear you and totally respect that.
In my case Ive amassed hundreds of games over the years - shelves of still complete in-box stuff. But when trying to revisit and re-collect some stuff I missed - I realized it was going to be impossible. Im not a millionaire. Its clear that people who got rich or just dont GAF have taken over the retro gamespace.
Metal Warriors SNES is the game that triggered me most. $900 for that shit! Nine hundred dollaz. $1200 in box. No nah nope. It used to be $15 in funcoland used.
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I've been wanting to pick up an old computer for a long time (it pains me that I don't still have my family 386DX/33 and P200MMX PCs...), and managed to find a Pentium 133 system in good condition locally for a pretty good price. I just need a CRT PC monitor now and I should be set.
Gotta say, I forgot how configuring autoexec.bat and config.sys were a game in itself. I'm pretty sure I wrecked them though:
I load my network drivers separately with a batch file but I'm pretty sure I am still over 600k when I do - I should probably just add them to my normal boot since I doubt I'll ever hit a program that needs more conventional than that.
Gotta say, I forgot how configuring autoexec.bat and config.sys were a game in itself. I'm pretty sure I wrecked them though:
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Upper 123K 108K 15K
Reserved 384K 384K 0K
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Total under 1 MB 763K 127K 636K
Total Expanded (EMS) 15,680 (16,056,320 bytes
Free Expanded (EMS)* 6,336K (6,488,064 bytes)
* EMM386 is using XMS memory to simulate EMS memory as needed.
Free EMS memory may change as free XMS memory changes.
Largest executable program size 621K (636,128 bytes)
Largest free upper memory block 10K (10,272 bytes)
MS-DOS is resident in the high memory area.
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³ 02ab ³ 014d ³ 5,328 ³ EMM386 ³ Device driver ³
³ 03ff ³ 00f5 ³ 3,920 ³ COMMAND ³ Program ³
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³ b16b ³ 00cc ³ 3,264 ³ FILES ³ Program ³
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³ b28c ³ 00bc ³ 3,008 ³ STACKS ³ Program ³
³ b349 ³ 0009 ³ 144 ³ INSTALL ³ Program ³
³ b35f ³ 009d ³ 2,512 ³ RECALL ³ Program ³
³ b3fb ³ 0180 ³ 6,144 ³ SHSUCDX ³ Program ³
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³ de92 ³ 0287 ³ 10,352 ³ CTMMSYS ³ Device driver ³
³ e11a ³ 0121 ³ 4,624 ³ POWER ³ Device driver ³
³ e23c ³ 00f1 ³ 3,856 ³ IFSHLP ³ Device driver ³
³ e32e ³ 0139 ³ 5,008 ³ VIDE_CDD ³ Device driver ³
³ e468 ³ 0955 ³ 38,224 ³ SMARTDRV ³ Program ³
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amigastar
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International Superstar Soccer was my favourite.
Guilty_AI
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Decided to replay Driver games recently.
One thing it reminded me of was how different a console and a pc version of the same game could be in the past, aside from better graphics. With a glance, you wouldn't recognize them as being the same game.
Not just car models, even the music was different.
Driver psx had dynamic soundtrack, with different tracks for day and night, and the music would change for a more fast-paced version during chases.
Driver PC soundtrack was static, regardless of the time of day or being chased by the cops or not, it was always the same music. Not to mention it was a completely different track from those of the psx version.
On defense of the PC version though, i'd argue the 'exclusive' tracks definitely felt more high quality than those of the psx version (though it could just be nostalgia speaking), not to mention the game had exclusive tracks for the parking lot, desert and Newcastle levels, while the psx just reused other tracks from other levels for those.
San francisco music (SF day on the psx version)
New Castle music (Also Miami night track for the psx version, exclusive track for credits and newcastle on pc)
One thing it reminded me of was how different a console and a pc version of the same game could be in the past, aside from better graphics. With a glance, you wouldn't recognize them as being the same game.
Not just car models, even the music was different.
Driver psx had dynamic soundtrack, with different tracks for day and night, and the music would change for a more fast-paced version during chases.
Driver PC soundtrack was static, regardless of the time of day or being chased by the cops or not, it was always the same music. Not to mention it was a completely different track from those of the psx version.
On defense of the PC version though, i'd argue the 'exclusive' tracks definitely felt more high quality than those of the psx version (though it could just be nostalgia speaking), not to mention the game had exclusive tracks for the parking lot, desert and Newcastle levels, while the psx just reused other tracks from other levels for those.
San francisco music (SF day on the psx version)
New Castle music (Also Miami night track for the psx version, exclusive track for credits and newcastle on pc)
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Anyone else tempted to thin out the excess in their collection with prices being so crazy?
I do believe at some point people will stop spending so much for these games that can be easily emulated or played on an everdrive/ODE.
I'll still keep my favorites but absolutely considering getting rid of the odds and ends that I've picked up and don't have any attachment to.
I do believe at some point people will stop spending so much for these games that can be easily emulated or played on an everdrive/ODE.
I'll still keep my favorites but absolutely considering getting rid of the odds and ends that I've picked up and don't have any attachment to.
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RAIDEN1
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After he mentions ISS in the video there isn't much point seeing what other football games came out, as that was the pinnacle on the SNES...
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I'm not entirely sure where the best place to share this is, but something that I found interesting is that there's a build of MAME that supports surround sound upmixing with xaudio2 with dedicated output for LFE and even support for Dolby Atmos setups. It sounds amazing if you have a home theater setup.
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Fess
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Yeah it’s insane. I wonder how much money I could get if I went all in and auctioned away all my Commodore stuff individually that I still have from the 80s. Not that I would ever do it, it’s my childhood. 20 years ago people could throw it in the trash.
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Imagine if Ocean made a comeback....
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They are owned by Atari SA (Infogrames), so it's unlikely to happen.
I always say go check on Price charting if you want to look up some prices. Personally at some of these prices I wouldn't sell because I'd worry that if a game is worth that much who knows if the other guy is legit or not. (The incentive to steal is too high.)