The games by Joyoland have been out for years. Having them accessible through Steam now changes nothing. It also definitely doesn't put XSEED in the same licensing hell as the Evolution games posed.
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The Kiseki / Trails (of the Sky/Zero/Ao/Sen/Etc) Community Thread: SPOILERTAGS OR DIE
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chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
The releases will only be problematic if Joyoland decides to try their hand at English versions. If they have the license for an English PC release, that's where things get messy.
If they just release Chinese Steam versions without the nasty DRM that is a net positive because they should be suitable and potentially easily available for use with the fan translation. And it shouldn't make any difference regarding English releases, XSEED could still work with Joyoland or someone else to release English versions.
Assuming XSEED doesn't make an announcement before the fan translation hits, I'd imagine the people willing to play the fan translation are people who would be willing to double dip to support an official English release.
If they just release Chinese Steam versions without the nasty DRM that is a net positive because they should be suitable and potentially easily available for use with the fan translation. And it shouldn't make any difference regarding English releases, XSEED could still work with Joyoland or someone else to release English versions.
Assuming XSEED doesn't make an announcement before the fan translation hits, I'd imagine the people willing to play the fan translation are people who would be willing to double dip to support an official English release.
StarSketch
Banned
Question: I'm playing Sky FC and
left my party for the third time. While still wearing my Information Quartz. Will I get that back before the end of the chapter, or is it gone? Same goes for the stuff I put on
, though I don't care as much. I'm about to go to
Tita
Agate
Leiston Fortress.
Generally, what happens is that you get it back instantly if the character would have new equipment the next time they rejoin, but they'll keep it until they return otherwise. Either way, you'll get it back.
CertifiedFP
Member
Man, Trails fans are real optimists, huh?
Every other game I've wanted an official localization for in the past decade that's had a fan-translation released, everyone puts their boot down that the ship sailed the moment the fan translation came out, if not when it was announced.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
I guess that might happen? I'd hope the fans aren't dumb enough to refuse to support the series, because you know they would go on to complain about XSEED dropping the series afterwards. It already feels like it's on life support and we're lucky to be getting 3rd at all.
JudgeRAW00
Neo Member
I will be more than happy to Google Translate the Chinese Ports if need be, I just need easier access to the games. Very exciting 
but with The 3rd coming soon I imagine we will get an update on Crossbell and Cold Steel 3 for the West when it is released.
but with The 3rd coming soon I imagine we will get an update on Crossbell and Cold Steel 3 for the West when it is released.Try to fire off arts instead of relying on physical attacks. Build your team around art casting power (ATS) and speed (SPD). Try to use low-tier and middle-tier arts instead of the huge ones to get better damage over time and to have less delay/recovery.
iRAWRasaurus
Banned
Personally I am the same. At this point as long as I can and understand it, I am okay with it.I will be more than happy to Google Translate the Chinese Ports if need be, I just need easier access to the games. Very exciting
Ys VIII first run bonus includes a CSIII art book. The image contains a character that I haven't seen before. I'm guessing it's the
, but there's text so I assume someone can translate.
Roaring Lion
Yes it's Barkhorn. It looks like the pink girl's family name is Ford?
Since most people will be thinking it's Reinford, I assume Falcom is actually going with Ford here.
Another Ford, Katarina Ford, was recently re-introduced in Akatsuki no Kiseki. She's a bracer, medic and Bracer Guild receptionist in Remiferia. She was first mentioned in the Back Alley Doctor Glen book series in Zero no Kiseki.
Yes it's Ford. Unrelated to Reinford. In Japanese Reinford ends with ~foruto. The Ford here is Foodo. Which fits this other character's name.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
So a major character in CSIII might be related to a character who was mentioned in a book series in Zero, and then showed up in a browser game? This series, I tell you what...
It's how Toval came about. First as a character in a book series, then one of the main characters of a manga, and in Cold Steel he shows up in-game.
I think it is 16 floors total. You can run through the whole thing in less than an hour, provided that you nuke everything in sight.
Sounds good, just wanted to make sure I wasn't going to be in some endless gauntlet
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Dear Falcom,
Please make Kurt Nardin a large part of Cold Steel III.
If this isn't possible, Anelace please.
Sincerely,
Nardinfan20XX
Please make Kurt Nardin a large part of Cold Steel III.
If this isn't possible, Anelace please.
Sincerely,
Nardinfan20XX
I said Id maybe turn the Q&A into a blog, but I think we wont be shifting towards 3rd-related stuff for a while, so I figured it wouldnt hurt to clear up some of the stuff piling up here. Thank you for the feedback! And its real sweet to read some of the kind comments along the way.
Also, sorry ahead of time for any typos since Im not doing a second pass on these answers. Im just kinda vomiting out on the keyboard the first thing that comes to mind and not really checking for perfection. Im also sorry if anything comes across as harsh I have the utmost respect for anyone and everyone involved with the series because this series is an absolute monster to deal with, even for losers like me who enjoy going back to each game and reading the script for fun and obsessively keep records for every little thing.
Ill answer a few questions at a time.
Knowing the series as it is now, I think its quite fine, but Id like to still go back and tweak FC/SC since the games have grown so much. I feel bad altering the works of others before me, though so maybe I should keep to just the 3rd and Cold Steel 2, lol.
I believe no one is THAT different from the Japanese, but one thing is that Estelle comes across as a bit more fierce? In English. This is more due to the lead editor of FC, Jess, who naturally inserted a bit of herself in Estelle to very positive reception. I wont say shes different, and not even necessarily more spacy in the Japanese, but er I guess Im not good at explaining it. Its not 1:1 the same person, but its not a drastic alteration, either. Whats in English works.
I think in cases of Rean and Laura, the lead editor for the first game, Nick, and I are in agreementits not the words that make the character. Its the air, the body language, the flow. Had we been more literal with Laura and gone more formal or old-school with her, it straight up wouldve sounded stupid as all hell in English. Its distinguishable in the Japanese, but its not impossibly awkward, either. Thats not the case for English, but I dont think we ignored what made Laura Laura, either. Everyone understands Lauras character just fine in the English even with a more natural delivery (I was also incredibly happy with having Marisha for the character ).
Same thing with Rean. We didnt change Rean at his corefor every line, we consider who his character is and how he would think or react. Its not 1:1 with the Japanese, but its not like he was lost or drastically altered, either.
I wonder if this makes any sense I just want to express that we dont have any interest in losing what the Japanese wants to share and we consider a lot with each character we edit, but we also want to interpret in such a way that it doesnt sound stilted in the language its being localized in.
Like, I guess if we had to choose something for a citizen from Leman, Id probably go with Lemanese because it flows nicely.
I dont have any interest in accents in the Trails games because nothing seems to indicate any one region has a super special accent. Beckys accent was chosen because she has a very obvious one in Japanese and the translator happens to be Glaswegian, so instead of awkwardly learning an accent and risking uses some terms unnaturally, Becky was about as authentic as you could get. But her and her familys accent (at least on her dads side) doesnt seem to indicate shes from any particular country, which is kinda interesting.
Also, sorry ahead of time for any typos since Im not doing a second pass on these answers. Im just kinda vomiting out on the keyboard the first thing that comes to mind and not really checking for perfection. Im also sorry if anything comes across as harsh I have the utmost respect for anyone and everyone involved with the series because this series is an absolute monster to deal with, even for losers like me who enjoy going back to each game and reading the script for fun and obsessively keep records for every little thing.
Ill answer a few questions at a time.
The first Sky game Ive done from beginning to end is 3rdmy contribution to FC was brushing up the PC version, and, well lets just say SCs whole story is long and torturous. The short version of that is a lot of characters didnt quite line up with FCs and lots of adjustments were made throughout to be both loyal to the Japanese interpretations while not causing other characters to do a complete 180. Basically two different lead editors = sometimes wildly different interpretations and it took a lot of work to marry the two in the main story.
Knowing the series as it is now, I think its quite fine, but Id like to still go back and tweak FC/SC since the games have grown so much. I feel bad altering the works of others before me, though so maybe I should keep to just the 3rd and Cold Steel 2, lol.
I believe no one is THAT different from the Japanese, but one thing is that Estelle comes across as a bit more fierce? In English. This is more due to the lead editor of FC, Jess, who naturally inserted a bit of herself in Estelle to very positive reception. I wont say shes different, and not even necessarily more spacy in the Japanese, but er I guess Im not good at explaining it. Its not 1:1 the same person, but its not a drastic alteration, either. Whats in English works.
I think in cases of Rean and Laura, the lead editor for the first game, Nick, and I are in agreementits not the words that make the character. Its the air, the body language, the flow. Had we been more literal with Laura and gone more formal or old-school with her, it straight up wouldve sounded stupid as all hell in English. Its distinguishable in the Japanese, but its not impossibly awkward, either. Thats not the case for English, but I dont think we ignored what made Laura Laura, either. Everyone understands Lauras character just fine in the English even with a more natural delivery (I was also incredibly happy with having Marisha for the character ).
Same thing with Rean. We didnt change Rean at his corefor every line, we consider who his character is and how he would think or react. Its not 1:1 with the Japanese, but its not like he was lost or drastically altered, either.
I wonder if this makes any sense I just want to express that we dont have any interest in losing what the Japanese wants to share and we consider a lot with each character we edit, but we also want to interpret in such a way that it doesnt sound stilted in the language its being localized in.
An ESRB rating is not necessary for PC-only titles, and none of our PC-only titles have one for that exact reason. Either way, we dont have any intention of removing any content and would have been fine even adding it back into the PSP version if that version were possible (its not). Im not sure people whove played the FC/SC games would suddenly see the M rating on the 3rd and go, Whoa! Thats too much for me. Not gonna play that., so it doesnt change anything.
I didnt choose any of those terms, but it doesnt work that way in real life, so I dont think all those have to necessarily match, haha. You can be an American citizen, an Irish citizen, Canadian, Japanese, and the list goes on. Id have to read more on why those are written the way they are, but I think whoever made those terms just chose what they chose for flow.
Like, I guess if we had to choose something for a citizen from Leman, Id probably go with Lemanese because it flows nicely.
Haha, I thought Ignis was from an area where those accents were commonplace? I dont have any experience with FFXVs Japanese (I love Noctis English voice a lot, who also happens to be our Duke Cayenne).
I dont have any interest in accents in the Trails games because nothing seems to indicate any one region has a super special accent. Beckys accent was chosen because she has a very obvious one in Japanese and the translator happens to be Glaswegian, so instead of awkwardly learning an accent and risking uses some terms unnaturally, Becky was about as authentic as you could get. But her and her familys accent (at least on her dads side) doesnt seem to indicate shes from any particular country, which is kinda interesting.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
with the rumored costs involved with ESRB ratings. The decision to just skip them when they arent necessary makes a lot of sense
RE Bugs: I love posting bugs because were all human and laugh at stupid shit. Sure.
RE Terms: Some terms have changed over localization. The thing with Trails is that some random term mentioned by that nameless NPC that one time is brought up four games later, except no one really remembers that and so some other interpretation gets thrown out thats equally valid and suddenly were in localization hell. This kind of thing inspired me to create a terminology bible as I read over every line in the script. No matter how small or seemingly unimportant information was, I wrote it down in an easy-to-search bible. This HAS given rise to a couple of oh, shit moments where I found discrepancies for minor terms, but it also makes me grateful for the PC version where such things can be patched.
For the Cold Steel arc, our translator for 1 and 2 came up with the majority of terms himself. Hes just as passionate about the series and more knowledgeable about it as a whole, and hes the one I trust the most with these sorts of things. I wouldnt trust anyone else at this point with such decisions. We also communicate on a daily basis and he fully outlines his reasons for settling on the terms hes settled upon while also being completely transparent on what the original was. So things like
Awakener
I think probably my biggest term contribution was
Divergent Laws. I think fans originally called this the Outside Reason, or something. The original text in SC had this word as Laws of the Beyond, but to be blunt, we dont know what the hell this is. Is it a world? A concept? How do things like Ouroboros weapons come from this? For what weve been told, this thing still doesnt make sense, and I didnt want us to choose a term that couldnt easily be melded into something else. I think the shorter term works for something so mysterious, and no matter what it turns out to be, we can kind of work with it to suit us.
I remember revamping military titles for FC/SC and continuing to use those terms in the Cold Steel arc after reading up on various military positions and asking a friend who was retired military about the various duties involved with each position. That was a loooooooooot of work.
As far as organizations in play goes, as lore-heavy as the series is by 3rd, its not quite as big a story as FC/SC are. I actually love editing it because its a bit more focused. This is a story that strongly emphasizes personal character development even compared to other games in the series, so while there are bigger organizations at play and you should absolutely play FC/SC first to have a solid foundation on the world and characters, you wont necessarily need an A-to-Z brushing up on everything thats going on in Liberl or Zemuria.
For treasure chestsJess was FC, SC was between several members in the office. Cold Steel 2 was between me and Nick.
A bundle for the Sky games on Steam is certainly possible, but its a ways off. Some legal issues are preventing it at this time, I believe (dont know the extent of it), so please dont let that stop you from supporting 3rd, as its not coming any time soon. For PSN, no.
Favorite Character:
Jess Cant ask right now but pretty sure shes always been #TeamAgate.
Kris He did the Thors NPCs and grew quite close to them as a whole. Maybe Vincent?
Nick Sara and Thomas. He also loved writing Victor and Osborne.
Me Crow. Crow. Crow. Crow. Also Crow. As far as protagonists go, Im falling for Kevin pretty hard. I also had a lot of fun writing Duvalie and McBurn.
Dan Renne.
Thanks for the second bit!
For the first, Some were just how I personally read them if there was no obvious origin, while others I looked up. Crossbells was easy because of the states emblem, at least! One I know we messed up with Sharons last name. Rather, were pronouncing it the same as the Japanese, but we shouldve switched the u and e for the spelling. Oops. I know French folks also dont like how we pronounce Bleublanc, but I dont really worry too much about it because Falcom generally writes his name as something weird (Blbranc).
I think its good we had a bunch of people discussing how to say names. I chose some, Nick chose others. I initially thought to say Reans last name a bit more with a German sound to it, but he was like, no, thats dumb. Hes right. Trying to force people to go out of their natural accents for random words isnt the smart way to go when theres an easier solution that the majority will be A-OK with, really. We do it in real life all the time.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Damn right. Also the VAs can't say "adieu" for shit.
Thanks for the post Hatsuu.
I think Rean's last name sounding more German-accented might've been cool at first, but would probably sound overextended on someone who doesn't have a natural German accent. Same situation with Laura potentially sounding like a knight straight from the Middle Ages, lol.
It's kind of a shame that there currently isn't a chance for a bundle of the games on Steam. Hope that can get ironed out.
I think Rean's last name sounding more German-accented might've been cool at first, but would probably sound overextended on someone who doesn't have a natural German accent. Same situation with Laura potentially sounding like a knight straight from the Middle Ages, lol.
It's kind of a shame that there currently isn't a chance for a bundle of the games on Steam. Hope that can get ironed out.
This is a very interesting discussion point so I think I'll join in.
In Japanese it's "外の理" right? It seems pretty obvious to me as to what the intent is. Divergent Laws is a really elegant solution to the problem without knowing exactly what it refers to, but I would say the context provided in the games suggest that it's simply their way of saying "beyond human understanding" or more literally "not obeying the laws of physics". The main theme that surrounds the Sept-Terrions is that each one represents an element in the Kiseki world. Which means that no matter how powerful or insane their purpose is, they are bound by our understanding of the elements and the laws of the physical world, even if the source of their powers defy existing technology.
The weapons crafted created by the Grandmaster simply defy all understanding of the actual laws of physics, and are possibly not even of this dimension. That's how I've understood it. In fact, my belief is that whatever McBurn and Rean are "mixed" with, is very much the biological representation of these "Divergent Laws".
The weapons crafted created by the Grandmaster simply defy all understanding of the actual laws of physics, and are possibly not even of this dimension. That's how I've understood it. In fact, my belief is that whatever McBurn and Rean are "mixed" with, is very much the biological representation of these "Divergent Laws".
So it is supposed to be Krüger. I thought I was going mad when I first saw that it was written as Kreuger sometime during CS2 since my (german) brain autocorrected the eu to ue the entire time before. Though I guess it's not far off from how foreign names were corrupted during the US immigration process in the 19th century.
As for the last paragraph, were similar discussions had for Worzel and Regnitz (both germanic-looking names, with Worzel similar to Wurzel (root) and Regnitz being the name of a river in Bavaria)? Either way, I think the right choices were made there.
I often ponder how I would actually introduce myself when speaking English - should I just pronounce it the way I'd pronounce it in German or try to make it fit to the tone of the language I'm currently using, and I'm fairly certain I'd naturally (as in, if I weren't thinking about it) pronounce it with an English sound to it when speaking English. Even though I'm not actually sure how an English speaking person would pronounce my name.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
I've been working on learning Japanese for a little while now and have wondered the same thing. Converting my name to Katakana just sounds....eughSo it is supposed to be Krüger. I thought I was going mad when I first saw that it was written as Kreuger sometime during CS2 since my (german) brain autocorrected the eu to ue the entire time before. Though I guess it's not far off from how foreign names were corrupted during the US immigration process in the 19th century.
As for the last paragraph, were similar discussions had for Worzel and Regnitz (both germanic-looking names, with Worzel similar to Wurzel (root) and Regnitz being the name of a river in Bavaria)? Either way, I think the right choices were made there.
I often ponder how I would actually introduce myself when speaking English - should I just pronounce it the way I'd pronounce it in German or try to make it fit to the tone of the language I'm currently using, and I'm fairly certain I'd naturally (as in, if I weren't thinking about it) pronounce it with an English sound to it when speaking English. Even though I'm not actually sure how an English speaking person would pronounce my name.
I can appreciate you guys being a bit loose with translations. I greatly prefer localisations where the translators focus on transferring the meaning behind the words to a different language instead of doing a direct translation (which often leads to rather stiff dialogue I've found).
Keep it up! Looking forward to 3rd
ShadowSoldier89
Member
I wouldnt trust most companies to handle Laura as well as XSEED didI can appreciate you guys being a bit loose with translations. I greatly prefer localisations where the translators focus on transferring the meaning behind the words to a different language instead of doing a direct translation (which often leads to rather stiff dialogue I've found).
Keep it up! Looking forward to 3rd
Yeah, they did a fantastic job with Laura for sure!
Uniquely challenging is a lot of the game. Its hard to notice as much while playing the game, but when youre staring each and every line in the face, its hard not to become paranoid youre using a certain word or phrase too much. Its more spaced out in context, but it becomes especially difficult while looking at text.
A personal thing I do a lot is cut information. Not censor, but just take out information thats already been relayed for a more natural read. A lot of Japanese text tends to repeat information even when its totally not necessary, but for me, I feel like that completely dumbs down things. Players are smarter than that and theyll notice when it sounds totally not natural.
However, a big challenge that comes with that is that we also have to use the same exact number of text boxes as the Japanese. I dont know if all localization houses care about this, but I also tend to play the games pretty obsessively and tweak lines faced on facial expression and body language as well. So those are limits I have to work with that are quite challenging.
One example I have to work with is a side scene early on in Cold Steel II between Rean and Laura near one of the shrines.
Rean has a vision of some kind, and he tells Laura it included the Eisenritter. In the English, Laura responds as if its peculiar and wonders why he saw them. If we kept the Japanese, the English wouldnt sounded something like, The Eisenritter? As in the group led by the Lance Maiden?
Laura, of ALL people, doesnt need that sort of clarification. Maybe it was written out for the sake of the player, but this fact has thoroughly been beaten into the brains of the player by now, and theres no reason to have Laura say some very unnatural line for someone in her position to relay that information to the player again.
Laura, of ALL people, doesnt need that sort of clarification. Maybe it was written out for the sake of the player, but this fact has thoroughly been beaten into the brains of the player by now, and theres no reason to have Laura say some very unnatural line for someone in her position to relay that information to the player again.
Answered the Becky question in a previous post. Hooray!
- Were there any gameplay elements that were changed or tweaked for a western release of any of the games? Could be anything from making orbment configurations clearer in TitS, to difficulty settings, etc.
- Also, could you name any instances where you had to compromise on a name for something or dialogue because of game restrictions (text box size, voiced lines, etc.).
- Any chance that Falcom could be persuaded to sell some licensed merch in the west (I have no idea how that stuff works)? I'd love to buy CDs, mugs, artbooks, keychains, etc. to help complete my circle of addiction and dedication.
I freaked out when I saw that tweet last year about the nun and the priest walking into a bar because my body knew what it meant, and all this time later, i'm most excited for 3rd out of anything else coming out next year because I absolutely adore the series with all my heart!
Lastly, thanks for all the fun and supporting the Trails series! Without you guys bringing these games over I would've never discovered the franchise, and I feel like my life is better because I got to have these experiences (and it's totally on my brain daily)
I can't wait for 3rd this year, and look forward to the future of the series in the west! (P.S. among the good VA-work/direction for CS2, Duvalie was a total treat)
For the PC versions of the Sky games, weve implemented little quality of life changes, but we havent tweaked difficultly or drastically altered gameplay or anything. Our programmer, Sara, would be the best person to ask for such details on what was added along with stuff that was on the PSP ports but not in the PC version (we added these so the PC version would be the best of both worlds).
In Cold Steel, theres a quest involving a certain Phantom Thief and riddles, as per series tradition. The Japanese, however, had quest markers over the locations for the riddles, so even though it was meant to be a riddle, all you had to do was open the map and see where to go next. I asked if those quest markers could be removed for that particular quest in English because, like theyre riddles. Theyre not difficult, but the player should try solving them on their own. Falcom was totally cool with it and did so.
We also completely altered the
first credits
As for restrictions on text one good thing about Trails is that boxes really arent fixed width. When something was especially long in the English in battle menus or windows, rather than cut something, I usually asked Falcom if they could expand the window for us and they were happy to do so. Also, although we traditionally used three lines for dialogue in the first Cold Steel, I had this sneaking suspicion that we werent actually limited in such a way and tested it out with four-line boxes in Cold Steel II. I was right.
Falcom also let us add as many pages as necessary for book stuff rather than stick to the Japanese limits. For all this, we arent normally so fortunate, but the Trails series isnt as strict about this as most other games.
For merch, youd have to reach out to Falcom yourselves. At the end of the day, were a partner of theirs, but we arent Falcom, so we wouldnt be selling their merch as if we were.
Thanks for the kind words about the series in general. And Im glad you love Duvalie! I got the exact VA I wanted for her and was absolutely thrilled with how she turned out. My rule for her was if I wasnt laughing like I was when I played with her Japanese voice, then it wasnt going to work. Fortunately, I laughed until I cried during her recording session. And her last line in the game was beautiful.
Youd have to ask NIS America. We did loc+publishing in NA, they did publishing everywhere else.
Its pretty much how Americans pronounce it. I think itd sounded weirder for our particular audience if we said it any other way. This is sort of what I mean by it sounding really awkward if we forced it (kinda like how the average American is gonna look at you like youre a moron if you tried to pronounce karaoke correctly). Its just how weve come to say it over time.Damn right. Also the VAs can't say "adieu" for shit.
Plus, thankfully, nothing seems to hardcore indicate that were trying to imitate French words or culture in the series as a whole, so we can be a bit more liberal with such things.
Youre correct on all counts. Thats pretty much what I meant by based on all the info given so far, but at best, thats still our interpretation. We dont have 100% answers, so we needed a catch-all term that could be massaged into whatever the truth turns out to be, basically. Im glad you like the term, thoughI like it a lot, too, and I think it works pretty well with what weve got.This is a very interesting discussion point so I think I'll join in.
In Japanese it's "外の理" right? It seems pretty obvious to me as to what the intent is. Divergent Laws is a really elegant solution to the problem without knowing exactly what it refers to, but I would say the context provided in the games suggest that it's simply their way of saying "beyond human understanding" or more literally "not obeying the laws of physics". The main theme that surrounds the Sept-Terrions is that each one represents an element in the Kiseki world. Which means that no matter how powerful or insane their purpose is, they are bound by our understanding of the elements and the laws of the physical world, even if the source of their powers defy existing technology.
The weapons crafted created by the Grandmaster simply defy all understanding of the actual laws of physics, and are possibly not even of this dimension. That's how I've understood it. In fact, my belief is that whatever McBurn and Rean are "mixed" with, is very much the biological representation of these "Divergent Laws".
Yep, your German brain is correct and we are not. Worzel I did end up looking up, so thats a legit pronunciation in some respects, haha. Regnitz is basically how 99% of people who look at it in the U.S. would pronounce it, so I think Im happy with it.So it is supposed to be Krüger. I thought I was going mad when I first saw that it was written as Kreuger sometime during CS2 since my (german) brain autocorrected the eu to ue the entire time before. Though I guess it's not far off from how foreign names were corrupted during the US immigration process in the 19th century.
As for the last paragraph, were similar discussions had for Worzel and Regnitz (both germanic-looking names, with Worzel similar to Wurzel (root) and Regnitz being the name of a river in Bavaria)? Either way, I think the right choices were made there.
I often ponder how I would actually introduce myself when speaking English - should I just pronounce it the way I'd pronounce it in German or try to make it fit to the tone of the language I'm currently using, and I'm fairly certain I'd naturally (as in, if I weren't thinking about it) pronounce it with an English sound to it when speaking English. Even though I'm not actually sure how an English speaking person would pronounce my name.
And while its not my place to say, maybe, I think if you happen to know German, you pronouncing your name with an accent would be jarring because you naturally understand the flow and feel of German. An example of this is actually in Cold Steel II as well during the Divertissement.
Since Cao only has a few lines, we used a voice actor we already had (The Japanese did the same, since his JP voice is very obviously Rufus VA). Kaiji, our voice actor for Gaius, was the one I chose for Cao. By pure chance, Kaiji knew Mandarin and actually recognize the character being used in the Japanese for Yin. So his pronunciation, however subtle, is pretty authentic. It was pretty.
I didnt realize at the timeI just thought his voice would be the best for Cao among our current male actorsbut we got an added benefit from working with him for Cao. Had it been anyone else, I dont think I wouldve forced them to try and sound out as authentic a pronunciation.
I didnt realize at the timeI just thought his voice would be the best for Cao among our current male actorsbut we got an added benefit from working with him for Cao. Had it been anyone else, I dont think I wouldve forced them to try and sound out as authentic a pronunciation.
I guess another example is that people I speak to in Japan have a really hard time saying my name--Brittany--and I wouldn't force them to try and say it in its natural pronunciation. Saying the whole thing in Japanese is a pain, too. A person I was speaking to just called me "Buri-chan" to make it easier, my boss took it and started using it as well, and somehow that's now what every Japanese person uses. Accents and using words that are unusual for your native language is fun, heh.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
I find this to be a hugely prominent issue in anime, and Michael Bay films.
I REALLY REALLY REALLY appreciate finding different ways for these conversations to happen
Holundrian
Unconfirmed Member
Wow impressed, was not aware at some of the changes like the thing with the riddles. Respect. Can only say that I will continue to support whatever localized games for the series make it over even if I'm beginning to switch over to the JP versions.
Suzushiiro
Banned
Got into this series with Cold Steel, just finished CS2 the other night. Will definitely go back and do the Sky games as well. Great games, great localization!
One question regarding Cold Steel 1&2- did you wind up changing (or were you tempted to change) anything in the localization to account for the fact that they would sometimes assume the player had knowledge of games that hadn't been localized? Such as cutting out non-essential information that could be considered a spoiler (or would just confuse someone who hadn't played them,) throwing in more detail on things you're supposed to know about from those games, etc etc.
PS:
One question regarding Cold Steel 1&2- did you wind up changing (or were you tempted to change) anything in the localization to account for the fact that they would sometimes assume the player had knowledge of games that hadn't been localized? Such as cutting out non-essential information that could be considered a spoiler (or would just confuse someone who hadn't played them,) throwing in more detail on things you're supposed to know about from those games, etc etc.
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Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Holy crap, so the Japanese versions are even worse with this? lol
Yeah, I know, I'm just teasing. It's really hard on my French ears at times though, I'll admit.
Bleublanc himself kind of reeks of flamboyant Frenchman to me, especially with the name, but yeah I guess not.
There's a discussion currently in the Ys community thread about this very Japanese writing style and how it seems to infuriate westerners, lol. Hopefully Xseed has someone with your principles working on the localization of Ys VIII.
I'm in line with your hopes. While I know it's polite in Japanese to sometimes repeat back some information to show that you are listening to someone, these games seem to ratchet up this polite philosophy into maximum overkill territory.
It totally makes sense. Keeping the spirit and original intent was the main goal when making localizing these games, and it's something I'm really, really, really grateful for (and it's so much more preferable than just doing a straight translation).
Thanks for giving such a detailed and thoughtful answer.
coredecepts
Member
The whole "repeating information" thing has been a running joke re: the Metal Gear Solid games for years. Those games, with the slight exception of the first MGS, tend to have something closer to translations rather than localizations, and the call/response style is retained.
"Do you know about Metal Gear?"
"Metal Gearrr?!"
Yeah. It's very japanese.
I'm glad to hear you guys work on reducing that, because it definitely sounds awkward to my American ears.
"Do you know about Metal Gear?"
"Metal Gearrr?!"
Yeah. It's very japanese.
I'm glad to hear you guys work on reducing that, because it definitely sounds awkward to my American ears.
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
Please help GAF. I'm trying to play the first trails game on PC since it came in the humble bundle and it won't even start. It just keeps crashing! I followed the only guide I saw on steam and deleted the save file and still nothing. I was so hyped to play this and now I feel crushed.
What do?
What do?
creid
Member
If the intro movie isn't starting, try going into config and disabling the opening movie?
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
Sorry, I was taking the groceries in.
Just tried it. Only change was that it literally does nothing now. It doesn't even give the message that this program has stopped working like it usually does. When I go to press play again it lets me and doesn't act like anything is trying to start up. It just gives me the option to choose between starting the game and configuring it like normal.
When you say crash, where does it crash exactly? Also are you playing on a laptop or desktop and on what version of Windows?
Make sure you have all the latest codecs installed for video playing.
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
Immediately. The screen flickers like it's about to load the game up and then I get the message that the program has stopped working. Sometimes the game window is still in the background but it's just black. It stays there until I click on ok on the error message.
I have a pretty beefy system. Windows 10, gtx 1080, 6600k, I play on a 21:9 3440x1440p screen if any of that helps. I don't think the widescreen would be the issue as I've seen it has the support for that.
I haven't had any issues at all playing videos but if you can point me towards where I need to download the latest codecs then that would be appreciated. How do I know if I have the latest btw?
You can just use K-Lite Codec Pack
The game uses pre-rendered videos for the developer logo, so that might be your problem. These older games might use a format your computer doesn't have the codecs for it
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
You got a link for that? I'm paranoid about legit download links lol.