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The Kiseki / Trails (of the Sky/Zero/Ao/Sen/Etc) Community Thread: SPOILERTAGS OR DIE
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Trails of Hot Steel.
Any chance Nintendo ports over the entire Kiseki Series physically?? With NIS seemingly to be on board, porting their titles to the Switch, I think its a perfect opportunity to ask Nintendo the entire 9 part series for Kiseki series and more. The Switch will seem to capture the Vita's JRPG library soon enough.
claytonlee101
Member
I also recently finished TitTs FC and thoroughly enjoyed it. I will most likely pick up SC but I was wondering if SC is also super strict on missables? I hated how easily I missed some achievement related items lol.
clay_ghost
Member
At most I can see a cs1 +2 collection and then 3 standalone.
Of course it is. All of the games in the series are like this
SatelliteOfLove
Member
If you don't pick up SC, you miss BEAST MODE Estelle and BEAST MODE JDK music though.
Young Magus
Junior Member
All the OSTs Ive listened to and the 3rd is still the best........
Spring pls hurry
Spring pls hurry
No. No, there is no chance Nintendo will port the entire Kiseki series (or any game, for that matter) and no, Disgaea 5+ can hardly be called the Vita's JRPG library.
Glitter and Gold
Banned
Or even a member of the Vita's JRPG library for that matter. lol
Nintendo always has 3rd party games(mostly ports) lined up at a console's launch event. and in a year it almost always completely dries up. I don't think the switch is going to be much different personally.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Well, at least Cold Steel warns you when you're about to "advance the story", so there is that. You can't miss stuff just by daring to go through some door or enter some place, they always warn you.
BassForever
Member
The switch will eventually get more 3rd party support particularly in Japan the way the vita did. The switch is basically a lock to sell more then Vita thanks to Pokemon. The question of if falcom will bother porting things to it is trickier, if ps4 to switch porting is easy enough and the market is as good as vita I can see it happening eventually.
Tbh, if IT happens (that's a big if, considering past history), it'll happen in a few years down the line. They do have the advantage that if (most likely) Sony doesn't release a next-gen portable, Nintendo will be the only ones with a portable system with some semblance of relevance, but it's up in the air for the next two years at least. I really doubt the Vita will be around for another two years and we still need to see how the public and, most importantly, Japan reacts to the Switch.
Remember, guys, the last game Falcom themselves published and developed for a Nintendo system was Ys 5 back in the 90's
Ys: Lost City of Kefin remake semi-confirmed for Switch.
The series future will definitely be interesting with the death of the Vita. I imagine Falcom themselves are somewhat worried about it, given that you can't just jump into any game. (I mean, you can start with CS I guess, but it's not recommended and you'll probably want to go back and check previous games anyway)
Trails In The Sky: Chapter 3
Zeiss was a good time. Getting acquainted with the various new characters was nice, but catching up with old faces was even better. This game is so good at making use out of its extended cast. Like I thought CS1 was good, but goddamn. Everyone is always on the move, so you run into situations where an "inseparable" pairs like Dorothy and Nial show up in different chapters, and seemingly irrelevant NPCs show up again (hey fishing guy!) for matters unrelated to the main plot. Jesus. It's actually pretty similar to One Piece in that regard (or even just in general, lol) and awesome for it. In retrospect, it's actually kind of depressing it took so long for us to get TiTS
Anyway, I really enjoyed the Central Factory. I wasn't immediately overwhelmed by its massive size because I knew I was going to be darting back and forth between floors for quests and such. And man, it eventually became a second home to me. Murdock, Louise, the boss nurse, the loser with the unrequited crush... all just as memorable and likeable as the last chapter's batch of characters. Tita was probably my favorite charactter. She was likeable, charming and adorable but without feeling manufactured to pander to a certain crowd. She really fit the Zeiss setting, and her arc (while predictable) was really sweet and endearing. Agate's involvement in this chapter was also pretty fantastic as well.
I felt that this chapter was more setup-ey than the last, but goddamn the things that were set up. The main antagonist reveal was genuinely shocking. If I hadn't played Trails of Cold Steel, I
All in all, I'm pretty hyped for Grancel. I have a feeling it's going to be the best chapter.
Next time,
Trails In The Sky: The Movie
Zeiss was a good time. Getting acquainted with the various new characters was nice, but catching up with old faces was even better. This game is so good at making use out of its extended cast. Like I thought CS1 was good, but goddamn. Everyone is always on the move, so you run into situations where an "inseparable" pairs like Dorothy and Nial show up in different chapters, and seemingly irrelevant NPCs show up again (hey fishing guy!) for matters unrelated to the main plot. Jesus. It's actually pretty similar to One Piece in that regard (or even just in general, lol) and awesome for it. In retrospect, it's actually kind of depressing it took so long for us to get TiTS
Anyway, I really enjoyed the Central Factory. I wasn't immediately overwhelmed by its massive size because I knew I was going to be darting back and forth between floors for quests and such. And man, it eventually became a second home to me. Murdock, Louise, the boss nurse, the loser with the unrequited crush... all just as memorable and likeable as the last chapter's batch of characters. Tita was probably my favorite charactter. She was likeable, charming and adorable but without feeling manufactured to pander to a certain crowd. She really fit the Zeiss setting, and her arc (while predictable) was really sweet and endearing. Agate's involvement in this chapter was also pretty fantastic as well.
I felt that this chapter was more setup-ey than the last, but goddamn the things that were set up. The main antagonist reveal was genuinely shocking. If I hadn't played Trails of Cold Steel, I
might have immediately pegged them as the bad guys, but after CS1 conditioned me to think of military folk as good people. So Neidhart's long lost brother Colonel Richard totally flew under my radar. Also MY GOD Amalthea's fucking evil jerk ass sprite was goddamn hysterical. I'm pretty sure I laughed for a good minute when I first saw it, and it still gets a chuckle out of me every time it props up. Can't wait to dunk on these assholes
All in all, I'm pretty hyped for Grancel. I have a feeling it's going to be the best chapter.
Next time,
Trails In The Sky: The Movie
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Trails In The Sky: Chapter 3
Zeiss was a good time. Getting acquainted with the various new characters was nice, but catching up with old faces was even better. This game is so good at making use out of its extended cast. Like I thought CS1 was good, but goddamn. Everyone is always on the move, so you run into situations where an "inseparable" pairs like Dorothy and Nial show up in different chapters, and seemingly irrelevant NPCs show up again (hey fishing guy!) for matters unrelated to the main plot. Jesus. It's actually pretty similar to One Piece in that regard (or even just in general, lol) and awesome for it. In retrospect, it's actually kind of depressing it took so long for us to get TiTS
Anyway, I really enjoyed the Central Factory. I wasn't immediately overwhelmed by its massive size because I knew I was going to be darting back and forth between floors for quests and such. And man, it eventually became a second home to me. Murdock, Louise, the boss nurse, the loser with the unrequited crush... all just as memorable and likeable as the last chapter's batch of characters. Tita was probably my favorite charactter. She was likeable, charming and adorable but without feeling manufactured to pander to a certain crowd. She really fit the Zeiss setting, and her arc (while predictable) was really sweet and endearing. Agate's involvement in this chapter was also pretty fantastic as well.
I felt that this chapter was more setup-ey than the last, but goddamn the things that were set up. The main antagonist reveal was genuinely shocking. If I hadn't played Trails of Cold Steel, Imight have immediately pegged them as the bad guys, but after CS1 conditioned me to think of military folk as good people. SoNeidhart's long lost brotherColonel Richard totally flew under my radar. Also MY GOD Amalthea's fucking evil jerk ass sprite was goddamn hysterical. I'm pretty sure I laughed for a good minute when I first saw it, and it still gets a chuckle out of me every time it props up. Can't wait to dunk on these assholes
All in all, I'm pretty hyped for Grancel. I have a feeling it's going to be the best chapter.
Next time,
Trails In The Sky: The Movie
@the strike thru in the spoiler: OMG why didn't I notice this myself?!?!
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Got my copies of Zero and Ao. Looking forward to the fan translations.
Nightengale
Member
I was waiting for that, PK Gaming.
Your Trails in the Sky LTTP updates are really fun to read.
Your Trails in the Sky LTTP updates are really fun to read.
Holundrian
Unconfirmed Member
I'll echo that, especially the screenshots you take give me some great flashbacks to these moments. Sometimes though I'm totally lost which is basically a sign that I should really replay Sky at some point.
iRAWRasaurus
Banned
As much as I want two replay them, don't have the time currently.
just got to the final chapter in cold steel 2.
Holundrian
Unconfirmed Member
Yep I get that. Honestly it's not very high on my priority list either too many good games coming out recently + exam periods make me cry xD.
In an ideal world I would have the time to replay both before 3rd hits but you gotta pick and choose your entertainment priorities.
I found that this
http://lparchive.org/The-Legend-of-Heroes-Trails-in-the-Sky/
And the one for SC are actually pretty decent ways of re-experiencing the stories of these games. It still requires time, but it removes the exploration, combat, menu time etc. that take up most/a big portion of the time playing these. They are still extremely lengthy reads but maybe a bit more manageable as bedtime reading than having to play through all of it yourself.
TwilightPrincess
Member
It will be the 3DS Successor in japan and probably the vita successor for many smaller japanese devs. That doesn't mean everything existing will get ported, but falcom considering it for some ports and future games isn't that impossible.
While I love the series, I seriously don't like replaying them, since they are loooong games, even with the NG+ benefits. I tried getting the Platinum trophy for CSI and failed miserably, and I'm starting to get sick of my CSII's NG+ run, which I'm doing mostly for the new quest that you get with it.
Also I kind of fucked up picking up Hard instead of Nightmare, so if I really want that platinum, I'll have to replay it for a third time. I'll probably just skip all sidequests and student recruits this time around.
Also I kind of fucked up picking up Hard instead of Nightmare, so if I really want that platinum, I'll have to replay it for a third time. I'll probably just skip all sidequests and student recruits this time around.
psynergylover
Member
uh what??? where can I learn more of this!?!?!?!
iRAWRasaurus
Banned
Also the Chinese version of the games has been greenlit on steam by Joyoland. Joyoland did mention
So who knows what will happen..
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Hopefully nothing comes out of that, nobody wants the official localizations of the games to be machine translations. Not to mention the questionable ports.
If anything i'm the opposite.
These games are all I think about when i'm playing other games/trying to chip through my backlog.
It's been really hard not to replay the whole series again till 3rd hits.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
I can never get myself to replay games these days. Not when my backlog has so many new experiences I do want to try. However at this point these games are the ones I'm inevitably drawing comparisons to.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
I'm honestly surprised people replay these games, long as they are. I mean I do enjoy them but with all the unskippable cut scenes? Nope nope nope
ShadowSoldier89
Member
well, cold steel 2 can be completed in 6 hours on a replay
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Do you have to replay the entire game to do the NG+ stuff in the Cold Steel games? It sounds pretty substantial from what I've read but that seems like a lot to replay.
Just CSII for the Black Records stuff.
With save scumming, you can see everything else in one run
To be honest, these games are pretty much the only ones i've ever really felt that with. As to your second point, yeah, me too. I've been good at chipping away at my backlog consistently though, so maybe i'm a bit better on that... for now (this week is killing me with Yakuza/Tales/DQ8, not to mention the stuff I skipped last year too D
.Well for the Cold Steel games, you just hold down the fast-forward button if you don't want to see them. I'm fine with rewatching them though, because I like them. I do blast through everything when i'm doing trophy stuff though.
It also helps that i'm just efficient with these games and a fast reader too!
Holundrian
Unconfirmed Member
Honestly if you're not into getting the platinum just watch a video for the CSII ng+ stuff.
It's major for story impact but really also the only major non gameplay related thing that unlocks in NG+ it's really dumb that they locked it away behind it.
iRAWRasaurus
Banned
I think I read in the thread there are a lot of things you pick up when you replay these games, so that's why I was interested in replaying them.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
I went into my Cold Steel NG+ last summer thinking that I'd just rewatch the story scenes and play through it quickly. But then I wound up talking to most of the NPCs again anyway (just my favorites, I said...but there were too many), and I spent close to 70 hours on that second run...
I did fast forward a couple of times for scenes that I really wanted to skip, but that was only like two or maybe three times.
claytonlee101
Member
Over the past month I picked up Diablo 3 Battlechest, Grim Dawn, Victor Vran and Torchlight 2. Enough dungeon raiding to last a year probably. I'm currently blazing my way through TitS FC new game + to get missing achievements. I read people's impressions on how SC is basically the same with essentially no new gameplay or features (I see some combos and stuff but everything else looks the same). I have 63 hours logged in FC and don't know if I should jump into SC when I have so many games to play. It's a slog going through the unskippable cutscenes and it's not really fun to do lol.
What do you guys think? Should I start up SC as soon as I'm done while everything is fresh or should I take a break from TitS and enjoy other games before jumping back on?
What do you guys think? Should I start up SC as soon as I'm done while everything is fresh or should I take a break from TitS and enjoy other games before jumping back on?
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
A break wouldn't be too bad, just don't make it so long you forget everything. It doesn't refresh you too much on the events from FC.
You could try to look at it as one big game, but SC doesn't really build on the momentum built at the end of FC and instead kind of starts over.
Yeah, give it a break. I'd recommed a month at least.
You don't even go to any new place until the second half of the game; seeing the old towns and areas again can be pretty tiring if you just finished the first game.
CertifiedFP
Member
I can't help but feel this will ultimately hurt their chances of localization rather than help them. With their Steam versions being via Joyoland, XSEED will have to play ball with THEM as well as Falcom now, putting it in the same Licensing Hell as the Evo versions of the games.
And then there's the matter that the most diehard fans of the series now are going to just buy Joyoland's version and plug fan-translations in instead of waiting for XSEED even if they can get anywhere with the license, making such an effort even more futile
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
I think they could have different versions/products up for different regions, but yeah, it's certainly not a good thing for the chances of getting those games.
clay_ghost
Member
Woot. Double dip soon.
first time I'm seeing the screens in Chinese. Looks pretty readable. Hopefully it wouldn't be DRM restricted.
First off - these have been greenlit for a while now.
As for the issue of licensing, no, this wouldn't be as bad as the situation with the Evo games, not remotely. (There are multiple other companies besides Falcom involved with those, and one of them, Chara-Ani, is notoriously hard to work with, apparently.) Nothing has changed here - all that this will do is make Joyoland's PC ports more easily accessible. As for the idea of fan translations... the Zero one is still a ways out (probably late this year), and the Ao one likely a bit after that. The translators have made it clear that if XSEED announces they're doing the games, they'll cease their work immediately.