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Zen5 Review Thread.
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squidilix
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PeteBull
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In some games its actually slower tho , vs much cheaper 7700x from last gen, and in all games its slower from 2,5yo 5800x3d
marquimvfs
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The king from value perspective would be 5800X3D
winjer
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In some games its actually slower tho , vs much cheaper 7700x from last gen, and in all games its slower from 2,5yo 5800x3d
Yes, the 9700X loses in a few games to the 7700X. But it's still faster on average.
And, the 9700X is not slower than a 5800X3D. I wish it was, because I have one myself.
PeteBull
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I saw tests in many games where it is, u will be fine with ur 5800x3d for a while still, at the least till zen6 x3d, maybe even longer
Haint
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No. It's slightly faster.
But a lot more efficient in multithread workloads.
Literally no one buying an X processor gives a flying fuck about efficiency. These are performance desktop parts, 99% of which go in 3+ foot tall cases with 60 watts of RGB lights, 5+ fans, and a 400+ watt GPU. Efficiency in this market only matters if it translates to higher clocks and faster fps/workloads, which this clearly does not. Instead it saves 2 cents on your annual power bill.
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winjer
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Non-sense.
SolidQ
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More like this based on Xbox leaks. PS6 maybe going to Zen6
A bit conflicting info
Z6 is by the Z4/Z2 team
4/3 were the same team, 5 is from the 1/2 team
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SmokedMeat
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That feeling when a new hardware generation arrives and you don’t feel FOMO
Bruno_Arrais85
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It seems that those chips "wake up" after some bios tweaking according to Der8auer
Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
Not surprised to see some people grasping trying to make this release seem okay.
I'm just glad that I correctly called that AMD's benchmarks were heavily cherry picked. Something I knew 2 months ago after seeing how AMD arrived at their 1st party results. AMD can't fool me.
Jigsaah
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Well, I'm not really considering 2 gen's ago if I'm being honest. If I'm gonna spend anything, it would be for a significant performance boost over what I currently have, which is a 5800x. 5800x3d is not a big enough jump to be considered, plus it's on AM4. Not much of an upgrade IMO.
marquimvfs
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That honor is Intel's, alone. We all know that.
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winjer
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Almost everyone said those benchmarks were cherry picked, because that is what AMD, Intel, Nvidia, ARM, Apple, and every other company do.
That is why we all said we need independent benchmarks. So many times.
What we disputed is your insistence that Intel is the only one that does not publish cherry picked benchmarks.
We all know you are an Intel fanboy. Through and through.
PeteBull
Member
Im big intel fan and still got oced 8700k in my rig, but definitely not gonna touch intel cpu's anytime soon, likely gonna wait for 9800x3d+ 5090 combo next year if prices arent too crazy, but who really knows
Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
All I remember is how you people said I was lying when I said Raptor Lake would beat Zen5 in at least one of the cherry picked titles, and that very thing ended up happening.
I even put a ban bet on the line, and you didn't take it, cause you knew I wasn't lying. If you took that bet, you wouldn't be posting here today...
winjer
Member
Thanks for proving my point.
Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
At this point I wouldn't care if Arrow Lake is a failure too. I'm quite happy with my 13600K and its Zen5 like gaming performance.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
Not true. It’s less about the total wattage of the system, more about temps and cooling. Some of us would like to use an air cooler with fans running at a quiet speed, rather than running the fans full blast or paying more for an AIO.
PeteBull
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No1 sane gonna get intel cpu, bro, even at those nasty zen5 prices, we will simply either sit on our old ones or go for 7800x3d, or maybe go for 9800x3d if its actually good(dont care about price, can be 600usd/euro as long as its 15% above 7800x3d in games
)Not buying intel coz fk having portable nuke at ur desk, fk that thought
marquimvfs
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Haint
It also does matter in places where the energy cost is high and there's several computers running. Like professional usage in almost any mid company outside USA.Helps OEM a lot in Europe too, to comply with strict energy consumption regulation.
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Zathalus
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Windows doing better with ARM support. Hopefully Nvidia and other companies can release a whole range of ARM CPUs.
Von Hugh
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Not surprised to see you not responding at all to the massive issues Intel and their processors are facing currently.
twilo99
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I saw tests in many games where it is, u will be fine with ur 5800x3d for a while still, at the least till zen6 x3d, maybe even longer
I love it when it happens, but yes, I think AMD overachieved with the 5800x3d, which is great for consumers, but not for their profits.
twilo99
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Yeah, in a decade maybe …
Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
I think its silly to overlook the 13600K/14600K. The issues for those CPUs seem to be in normal levels as far as I'm aware.
Zen5 gaming performance and much better than similarly priced Zen5 in productivity.
But Raptor Lake is very old news and those i5s are still holding up.
After Arrow Lake launches in 2-3 months the aging Raptor Lake could soon be forgotten.
After seeing the abysmal gaming increase of Zen5 over Zen4, the chance of Zen5 3D being 15% above 7800X3D is extremely low.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
AMD brought a gun to a knife fight, but forgot the ammunition.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Worse? No. Not at all.
Better in temp and power draw? Quite a bit.
Better in performance? By a negligible amount.
Worth an upgrade if you have a 7000 series CPU? Not at all, unless saving a few Watts of power REALLY matters to you.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
It is until the Microcode update gets tested and reviewed. If that microcode does give stability fixes and solves the issue, then 14600K and 13600K are very viable options.
marquimvfs
Member
The issue won't be solved, just prevented. It's also unknown if and how it will affect performance.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
That's why I said it was silly to buy those right now. We will know a lot more next week.
GHG
Member
Good temps in stock compare to 7700X
Looking like an efficiency "upgrade" more than anything. That's a good basis for them to work from going forwards, but from a consumer perspective it's massively underwhelming.
marquimvfs
Member
Gotcha. The point is that is not silly to avoid those even after the patch, given that we truly don't know how those processors will behave regarding their defects. The new microcode could extend their life a year or two, and then fail, or they could live almost eternally with a minor 5% performance downgrade. Just wait for the results after the microcode isn't enough for people who stay in a platform for almost a decade and then sell everything, like me. I would avoid them like the plague.
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Leonidas
AMD's Dogma: ARyzen (No Intel inside)
Is 13600K/14600K experiencing instability? If the 13600K/14600K stability was never a problem then people were waiting and fearing from nothing, that's all I'm saying.
hinch7
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5700X3D's are a way better buy nowadays. Seen lots of places sell for well under $200 and some places $150.
With that said, 5800X3D is still a beast in gaming. Even with a 4090.
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Puscifer
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Gimme that 7800X3D for 300 dollars again plox
Haint
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Helps OEM a lot in Europe too, to comply with strict energy consumption regulation.
Companies fleet purchase small form factors with non-X/K sku's (often even laptop trays in them) which was my point, they're not the market for these.
Literally a $30 peerless assassin aircooler will max clock a 7700X without breaking a sweat and a single PBO calibration will barely run the fans at all, completely inaudible.
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marquimvfs
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Not really. I've just built 7 Ryzens X for an architect's office. Sometimes the performance matters and not everyone buys overpriced oems workstations.
Haint
Member
And how much do you think the 5 - 50 Watt efficiency gain, only under active max load, would actually save you a year? Only seeing a return an infinitesimally small fraction of the time, maybe a few bucks a year for the whole fleet. You could save 1000x more switching toilet paper brands.
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eNT1TY
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7800x3d just dropped to $350 on amazon, scooped one up for my son's Fractal Terra build after watching the reviews for the 9700x. The efficiency is impressive but the 7800x3d is not that far behind in that regard and trounces it in gaming which will be the primary use of that build.