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Media Create Sales 5/28 - 6/3

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Nicktals

Banned
ethelred said:
Sega's never been anywhere near Nintendo as a developer? That's a laugh, sorry.



Platformers, action, adventure, arcade, music/rhythm, shooters...
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wait...SEGA outdid Nintendo in platformers and adventure games? Please tell me the titles, because if there are games out there better than super mario world and LoZ:LttP I would really like to buy them.
 
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Sharp

Member
Nicktals said:
wait...SEGA outdid Nintendo in platformers and adventure games? Please tell me the titles, because if there are games out there better than super mario world and LoZ:LttP I would really like to buy them.
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Sonic was pretty awesome at one point, though I wouldn't say any of them outdid SMB3, and they made quite a few other great platformers. Adventure, well, that's ethelred's inner fanboy talking.
 
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Deku

Banned
Nicktals said:
Because MC threads are pretty boring these days.
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I don't think it's that... boring. Give it a few hours for someone to question the numbers. These threads have a long tail because of that.
 
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Mejilan

Running off of Custom Firmware
WTF. Wasn't Ouendan 2 like in the low upper 20s last week? I only imported one copy (please arrive soon)!
 
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Deku

Banned
Mejilan said:
WTF. Wasn't Ouendan 2 like in the low upper 20s last week? I only imported one copy (please arrive soon)!
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Was really surprised by it too. Vinnk reported sellouts last week but he didn't think last week's 20k ish figure was a supply issue because one of the stores he approached said they could order more if he so desired but had no plans to get anymore in. I guess a lot of people asked for more copies.
 
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Segata Sanshiro

Member
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starship

psycho_snake's and The Black Brad Pitt's B*TCH
Wii is still supply constrained which is amazing 6 months after launch. I think it can do +80k weekly once Nintendo ships more units.
Over 67% total market share for the Wii is amazing.
 
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Epiphyte

Member
Deku said:
I don't think it's that... boring. Give it a few hours for someone to question the numbers. These threads have a long tail because of that.
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An infusion of fresh meat would liven up the thread as well. Isn't it about time for another mass account approval?
 
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Sharp

Member
Epiphyte said:
An infusion of fresh meat would liven up the thread as well. Isn't it about time for another mass account approval?
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No, now is the time for mass bannings. I've seen more Gamefaqsesque stupidity in the last few weeks than I have during all the rest of the time I've been browsing GAF.
 
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Segata Sanshiro

Member
miguel_c_hammer said:
Um... no. Sega has never been anywhere near Nintendo as a developer, not even in their "glory" days. In what ways exactly was Sega more "creative" than Nintendo? The only genres Sega "outdid" Nintendo in were the ones that Nintendo traditionally never touches, such as sports and RPGs.
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I WILL ****ING CUT YOU. SLOWLY. SO I CAN ENJOY IT.

Wait. I lost my knife. Oh well, I guess I can't go wrong with a classic.

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Innotech

Banned
miguel_c_hammer said:
Um... no. Sega has never been anywhere near Nintendo as a developer, not even in their "glory" days. In what ways exactly was Sega more "creative" than Nintendo? The only genres Sega "outdid" Nintendo in were the ones that Nintendo traditionally never touches, such as sports and RPGs.
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NiGHTs Into Dreams was a pretty big left hook from Sega, although it didnt translate into sales success. Samba De amigo, JGR/JSRF, Panzer Dragoon, Space Harrier, Ristar...the list goes on. Sega was always more unique with their game designs than Nintendo was, who relies heavily on established franchises for success. GREAT success I might add. But Sega always stood out to me, even as a nintendo fan.
 
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mj1108

Member
Deku said:
I don't think it's that... boring. Give it a few hours for someone to question the numbers. These threads have a long tail because of that.
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I don't think we have a "stupid argument poster" yet do we for this week?

Innotech said:
NiGHTs Into Dreams was a pretty big left hook from Sega, although it didnt translate into sales success. Samba De amigo, JGR/JSRF, Panzer Dragoon, Space Harrier, Ristar...the list goes on. Sega was always more unique with their game designs than Nintendo was, who relies heavily on established franchises for success. GREAT success I might add. But Sega always stood out to me, even as a nintendo fan.
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Obligatory Dreamcast was awesome post. :(
 
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Meier

Member
Cheesemeister said:
They'd just added a few "preview shows" starting June 1st. If you were here after that, well...
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Where are you at in Orlando? I'm here as we speak at my parents and then driving down to Lauderdale tomorrow.. prior to living in Tallahassee after graduating FSU, I was an Orlandoan all my life.
 
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TheGreatDave

Banned
bc226 said:
For those that wanted some funny from the PS3 forums watch how fast they eat there own:

http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=76759
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Wow, "-=*7*=-" is on a roll...

So why don't you go preach your gloom and doom to somebody who reallly cares. Because the Biggest advantage in Sony's Previous Two Past Obliterations of the competition, will enable them to again smash a PS3-Peat in the face of both Nintendo's Take Out Burger King Console and M$'s Denny's (3 lights of doom) poison pit stop console.

You see, of the three consoles in this race, Sony is the only one with it's own factory's. The Only One with it's own BluRay Diode Production Lines. The Only One with a massive reserve of previous Playstation customers 7 times it's closest competitor with closing in on 230 Million total sold to date. With a mind boggling sum of over 15,000 titles all total. So they will (as they have done every time) set the price and lower the price on their terms, and when they are ready. So in the end, the PS3 will not only have market dominance within 3yrs in Game Consoles but BluRay as well! You can safely bet your 2bit allowance on that!
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But attacking Kutaragi when he has brought so much to the Gaming world in general will prove to be your own and haters like you's own Death Chant! That statement will come back and haunt you in the History Books!

Kutaragi has more brains in his pinky than you have in your whole head. He is a genius of major proportions who single handedly took Sony and the entire 3D Gaming World out of 2D Darkness! Now he has unleashed the Sony PS3 with 9core Cell BE and it is being used in the Army's "Future Force Warrior" Program, Hybrid Super Computer's for DOD, Pentagon and NASA. Why? Because of his Superior Secure Networking and chip of Security! IBM Blade Servers, Hybrid Servers, Medical Equipment, and PS3 Gamers are helping to cure the Cancer you seem to have in your brain.

Where is the Wii's chip being used? As a Prize in it's box of Cracker Jacks Console Only?

Where's the X360's Xenon being used besides to flash the 3 Rings of Doom, Circle of Death, and to corner the market on Most Expensive Door Stops?
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Is he an undercover GAF member?
 
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ethelred

Member
Sharp said:
Sonic was pretty awesome at one point, though I wouldn't say any of them outdid SMB3, and they made quite a few other great platformers.
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I think it's pretty hard to knock the platforming awesomeness of the Genesis, between the Sonic games, Ristar, TJ&E2, Vectorman, Castle of Illusion/Quackshot, etc. Then Sega segued directly from the Genesis to NiGHTS...

Sharp said:
Adventure, well, that's ethelred's inner fanboy talking.
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No, not that. There actually aren't any Genesis adventure games that I would say individually topped Link to the Past, but if you look at their output in the genre in total (Oasis, Landstalker, Centy, TJ&E, the Eccos, on and on) during that period, yeah, I think they definitely come out ahead. What'd Nintendo have aside from Zelda? And that's just on the Genesis. Expand it out to the Saturn and Dreamcast too, if you like.

There's also a lot more creativity there, honestly, and less reliance on established franchises (which was what Innotech's original remark was)... I just don't think it's at all accurate to mockingly suggest the quality of the two companies in development was leagues apart.
 
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LCGeek

formerly sane
Innotech said:
NiGHTs Into Dreams was a pretty big left hook from Sega, although it didnt translate into sales success. Samba De amigo, JGR/JSRF, Panzer Dragoon, Space Harrier, Ristar...the list goes on. Sega was always more unique with their game designs than Nintendo was, who relies heavily on established franchises for success. GREAT success I might add. But Sega always stood out to me, even as a nintendo fan.
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Sega relies on franchises just as much nintendo except they like to keep making unique titles to do the genres they like where as nintendo keeps the same template and gets to what means the most gameplay. Nintendo if anything has become stagnant in new ips from the nes/snes days, though that's more due to 3d gaming development being nowhere near as easy or cheap to do as 2d gaming. Nintendo needs to slow down some of their franchises to a 2/3 game process per generation some titles like mp need to be slowed down a lot so they have the polish of the old series.
 
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Ketchup Boy

Junior Member
Joshua said:
If 40% was enough to be market leader, were you expecting X360 to get more than 20%?
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No, not at all, but thats how I wish it was divided. 40-35-25 or 40-30-30 :( Like this, Nintendo wouldn't just keep getting crappy ports and get more third party support while devs would still have a reason to develop for X360/PS3 because theres a lot of market for those systems unlike it is now.
 
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Sharp

Member
ethelred said:
I think it's pretty hard to knock the platforming awesomeness of the Genesis, between the Sonic games, Ristar, TJ&E2, Vectorman, Castle of Illusion/Quackshot, etc. Then Sega segued directly from the Genesis to NiGHTS...



No, not that. There actually aren't any Genesis adventure games that I would say individually topped Link to the Past, but if you look at their output in the genre in total (Oasis, Landstalker, Centy, TJ&E, the Eccos, on and on) during that period, yeah, I think they definitely come out ahead. What'd Nintendo have aside from Zelda? And that's just on the Genesis. Expand it out to the Saturn and Dreamcast too, if you like.

There's also a lot more creativity there, honestly, and less reliance on established franchises (which was what Innotech's original remark was)... I just don't think it's at all accurate to mockingly suggest the quality of the two companies in development was leagues apart.
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Sega was definitely more creative than Nintendo in the SNES/Genesis era, but the Nintendo of the NES era was genius.

However, though I'd briefly forgotten this crucial fact, Super Metroid was an SNES game. Since Super Metroid owns all the games Sega ever made, I'm afraid Nintendo > Sega that generation too. It put up a good fight though!
 
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RiskyChris

Banned
Ketchup Boy said:
No, not at all, but thats how I wish it was divided. 40-35-25 or 40-30-30 :( Like this, Nintendo wouldn't just keep getting crappy ports and get more third party support while devs would still have a reason to develop for X360/PS3 because theres a lot of market for those systems unlike it is now.
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Uh, there's a HUGE market for 360 software right now, and likely this market will stay throughout the generation.
 
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Innotech

Banned
..pakbeka.. said:
I was about to post that :lol

that guy can't be real
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I guaran-damn-tee you that kook is real. I dont know many XBOx or Nintendo fans who are that crazy and I know some real diehards. Its amazing to me these people cant see teir beloved yet hideously overpriced system is getting spanked by ratios approaching 8:1 in some regions, and somehow think it will magically be jumpstarted with two franchises (which are gradually declining as it is) and begin to sell on a rate high enough to not overtake 360, but also the wii. which basically means moving a vastly more expensive console, not just at the Wiis rate, but ABOVE the wiis rate, and ofr an extended period of time enough to overtake the console. sorry but I dont see this happening no matter how many games they get on it. If anything, it will be the same slow burn as XBOx360 has, with high software sales of a few titles a month and sluggish hardware sales. The casual market IS everything to win the overall marketshare and the wii is not only runnig away with that portion, but has THE quintessential killer app to do it, bundled right with the system.
 
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TheGreatDave

Banned
What confuses is me is how everybody could tell you the casual market is the most important for ensuring healthy console growth, yet Microsoft and Sony just went in a silly little arms race with each other. Did nobody at those companies try having a word with the men in charge? Casual success is not impossible for either of those consoles but the 360 has essentially thrown away it's headstart by letting Wii get so much momentum and God knows when PS3 can move to an even slightly reasonable price.
 
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Sharp

Member
TheGreatDave said:
What confuses is me is how everybody could tell you the casual market is the most important for ensuring healthy console growth, yet Microsoft and Sony just went in a silly little arms race with each other. Did nobody at those companies try having a word with the men in charge? Casual success is not impossible for either of those consoles but the 360 has essentially thrown away it's headstart by letting Wii get so much momentum and God knows when PS3 can move to an even slightly reasonable price.
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They were listening to GAF, which as we all know is the single worst decision anyone can make.
 
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Deku

Banned
Sharp said:
They were listening to GAF, which as we all know is the single worst decision anyone can make.
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Even topping buying a PSP at launch in hopes of strong SE support?
 
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Christoff Yurievich

Member
bc226 said:
For those that wanted some funny from the PS3 forums watch how fast they eat there own:

http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=76759
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oh man...
champstone's sig said:
Copying is a key part of evolution. Without copying, M$ woulda had a hard time distributing Windows on the Sony invented Compact Disc
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:lol the hate moves beyond Xbox/PS, doesn't it?
Deku said:
Even topping buying a PSP at launch in hopes of strong SE support?
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what, you don't like buying ports of FF1&2?
 
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cvxfreak

Member
Deku said:
Even topping buying a PSP at launch in hopes of strong SE support?
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I think Devil May Cry was one of the reasons I bought PSP back in 2004.

"If there's gonna be a DMC, there HAS to be a Biohazard too!" Or so I thought. :lol
 
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.dmc

Banned
PantherLotus said:
Expectations for 06/04 - 06/11
360 - 2.5k*
PS3 - 9k*

* = within 5k estimation success the previous week.
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To be fair, being within 5k of those estimations isn't too difficult, infact, can you imagine a week with 7.5k 360 or 14k PS3?
 
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Saitou

Banned
cvxfreak said:
I think Devil May Cry was one of the reasons I bought PSP back in 2004.

"If there's gonna be a DMC, there HAS to be a Biohazard too!" Or so I thought. :lol
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Don't you feel silly now.

I like to think of the PSP as a portable MGS/Castlevania (soon) player. Also, porn.
 
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Beer Monkey

Member
bc226 said:
For those that wanted some funny from the PS3 forums watch how fast they eat there own:

http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=76759
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Wow, that's not just anybody, that's Scrivener AKA "Sony Prophet".

Scrivener circa August 06 really thought that Sony was going to destroy all comers. He got a little worked up about some stuff and exaggerated some things (redrawn Oblivion textures, sports games with assets that won't fit on DVD) but he also got some things right and his comments get pasted on a lot of forums (including GAF) and garnered a lot of controversy.

Scrivener circa June 07 says that Sony is f***ked.

Of course, losing your job (as it sounds to be the case) isn't the greatest thing for objectivity.
 
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Nfinit

Member
miguel_c_hammer said:
Um... no. Sega has never been anywhere near Nintendo as a developer, not even in their "glory" days. In what ways exactly was Sega more "creative" than Nintendo? The only genres Sega "outdid" Nintendo in were the ones that Nintendo traditionally never touches, such as sports and RPGs.
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As far as creativity goes, Ecco just destroys the 2d marios up to and perhaps including NSMB. Once Nintendo go their formula going with SMB, they kept it up more or less intact, adding minor gameplay variations like Yoshi. Ecco is well beyond anything Nintendo even attempted to do platform wise. Sonic was pretty creative as well, perhaps not so much as Yoshi's Island, but at the very least besting the Mario series up until then.

Adventure games not so much, but at least Dark Savior brought the concept to 3d well before Zelda got around to doing so.

Second to all that though, I'm of the opinion that Sega's platformers were superior to Nintendo's stuff with the exception of Yoshi's Island.
 
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jj984jj

He's a pretty swell guy in my books anyway.
cvxfreak said:
I think Devil May Cry was one of the reasons I bought PSP back in 2004.

"If there's gonna be a DMC, there HAS to be a Biohazard too!" Or so I thought. :lol
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I almost bought one for GT4M before I got a DS! :lol
 
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