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PlayStation 5 Handheld Will Likely Be Like a Lower-End PS5 Model That Would Need Dedicated Versions of Games
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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
jm89
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This is digital foundries speculation.
Saber
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My dude read again. It doesn't run PS5 games, it would need to run its own PS5 portable games(new versions of the same game). Hows that not stupid?
midnightAI
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I've been trying to tell people this but they won't listen.
Also, DF (also Bloomberg) don't know shit. Is Sony researching and developing handheld hardware? Of course they are, they labs research and develop/test stuff all the time, doesn't mean it will ever come to anything.
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mrcroket
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Whatever they come out with will outsell Microsoft's handheld no doubt, the handheld market is dominated by Nintendo though, so they do have competition in that market.
ReyBrujo
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GHG
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Nobody (and I mean nobody) is forced to make their games compatible and run well on the Steam deck.
You want to release a PC game that doesn't run well on the Steam deck (or similar hardware), go ahead.
There's the fundamental difference.
As an example, here is Returnal running on the Steam deck:
In a world where games releasing on the PC are forced to run well on the deck, Returnal doesn't end up being the same game and they would have needed to make fundamental changes to the game in order to make sure it runs well on the deck.
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sainraja
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If you guys want a dedicated handheld with a decent or good user experience, it will likely need to be like this or stop asking for a handheld device lol. I haven't tried the steam deck but the Rog Ally is terrible, that was my first impression off of the display unit anyway. It is basically trying to run the full Windows operating system but the resolution and how you are expected to navigate just feels off. I know Steam Deck probably uses their game mode and they have worked on making sure it works but if it is anything like Rog Ally then it really surprises me that people even like it.
Not much into handhelds anyway.... learned that after getting the PSP, Vita, NintendoDS. I didn't use them at all.
Not much into handhelds anyway.... learned that after getting the PSP, Vita, NintendoDS. I didn't use them at all.
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abstract alien
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How many times does Nintendo have to drop a hugely successful handheld before Sony sees the answers...
intbal
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I always wondered if Microsoft's "Heutchy Method" could work in reverse.
Instead of inserting a multiplier in the DirectX API, insert a fraction.
So a native 1920x1080 game would render at 960x540, for example. The game code isn't changed. Just how the API interprets it.
Of course, that wouldn't help Sony at all, since their games don't use DirectX. But perhaps they could find a similar solution for their hardware.
Instead of inserting a multiplier in the DirectX API, insert a fraction.
So a native 1920x1080 game would render at 960x540, for example. The game code isn't changed. Just how the API interprets it.
Of course, that wouldn't help Sony at all, since their games don't use DirectX. But perhaps they could find a similar solution for their hardware.
asdasdasdbb
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It'll be a lot more expensive than the Portal.
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mckmas8808
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EXACTLY! Something has got to give.
You realize a PS6 will be coming out in 2028 right? How can you possibly think they can support everything?
mckmas8808
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And this is the issue many of us have. Why not focus more on what works for you today and double and triple down on that instead? Why is that so hard?
There’s absolutely no low wattage chipset on the horizon that can be used in a consumer handheld that’s capable of PS5 level power.
You’d have to be completely daft and ignorant of tech to be scoffing at DF here.
If there’s going to be a handheld capable of playing PS5 games without adjustments, you’re looking at a release years in the future.
You’d have to be completely daft and ignorant of tech to be scoffing at DF here.
If there’s going to be a handheld capable of playing PS5 games without adjustments, you’re looking at a release years in the future.
Because that market isn’t really growing. You’re also probably losing console gamers gradually to PC.
But more than that, it makes sense to expand.
diffusionx
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This dock is essentially having to build a system with two GPUs and two CPUs increasing cost. If you make it optional then you run into the accessory issue consoles always have. And its not like the Series s is exactly a well loved machine by software makers.
SeriesS also uses way more power than is acceptable for a handheld. "But muh rog ally", yes there rog Ally is also enormous, has horrible battery life,is super expensive, and isn't that popular. I would be surprised if they sold more than a million of them. No console maker builds a machine to sell a couple million units.
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That's what killed the Vita. If this handheld requires dedicated versions of games it has no chance of success, imo. The value proposition is easy to sell if it could play your entire PS5/PS4 library.
SkylineRKR
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This ship has sailed. Even Nintendo stopped doing it.
Topher
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Clearly there will be adjustments to the game. Richard says in the video that there is no reason why the games cannot scale down to a PS5 handheld just as games scale up to the Pro. So games would have to be patched, but this is not going to require PS5 level power. That would be pointless when we are talking about games running at 1080p or lower. Developers would have to create a low-rez, low fidelity version of the games and it would run once patched. Similar solution that allows AC Syndicate to now run at higher frames on PS5.
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Perrott
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What he's saying is that there aren't Series S-equivalent versions of PS5 games. Their lowest common denominator in the PS5 ecosystem is the regular PS5 itself, which already outputs games at up to 4K.
Digital Foundry's point is that there would have to be developer input in making performance profiles on a game-by-game basis to make them output at 1080p rather than 4K, with scaled down settings and maybe even PSSR support.
Digital Foundry's point is that there would have to be developer input in making performance profiles on a game-by-game basis to make them output at 1080p rather than 4K, with scaled down settings and maybe even PSSR support.
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Muddy
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My dude read again.
It is speculation on DFs part.
Again I repeat, Sony is rumoured to be developing a PS5 Portable. Not a PS4 Portable or a PSP3.
Currently a 3 year old PS4 Spec handheld called the Steamdeck runs PC ports of PS5 games at lower res/fps.
Not NEW games.
The PS5 Portable is years away.
So yes it is stupid. Use your common sense.
Muddy
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FIREKNIGHT2029
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Sounds like a disaster if they go this route. It will run into the same problem the Vita ran into where Sony couldn’t support it and their main console maybe even worse this time since they have PSVR2 to contend with in addition to the PS5.
Muddy
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They won’t go that route.
It’s the reason Sony haven’t made another handheld after the Vita.
A PS5 Portable will simply be a portable which can play PS5 games at lower res/fps upscaled with PSSR.
You will probably see games become verified for it like Steamdeck verified.
Loxus
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PSVR2 is more a peripheral as it used the PS5 to work, so not really 3 different systems to support.
LordOcidax
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Like i said before, this is not going to happen, it worked for Nintendo because the unified both worlds in one system, going back to two routes for Sony doesn’t make any sense and they are not going to take the hybrid route.
LordOcidax
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PSVR needs a dedicated development team or department to work, in fact is another system.
Loxus
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So why does it need a PS5 to work?
What you're thinking about is something like the Meta Quest 3, which is a dedicated VR device.
LordOcidax
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That’s the hardware not the software. Both are developed in the same way no matter if the hardware is in a standalone VR or in a console/PC. The matter of fact the development cycle of Quest games is more close to the PSVR than a PS console.
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Loxus
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Explain Gran Turismo 7 and VR.
Is it two different games?
Saber
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Who cares? You're the one comes with "outrage" on people saying it would be stupid idea, regardless of being speculation or not. Stupid moving goal posts on your part, don't quote me again with your silly baits idiot.
LordOcidax
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Same base, but needs an special team or department and special tools. So, is not like you put the base game in PSVR and is going to work. I am talking about truly VR experiences not something like basic VR like Switch implementation for Labo (stereoscopic vision).
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Muddy
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Feel Like I'm On 42
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I agree. As a PS5 owner and now a Pro owner, it feels bad knowing how many more resources could and should be going into these consoles instead of all the focus Sony has had on PC. The Pro launch has been piss poor with major problems related to the capabilities and upscaling tech of this thing and Sony hasn't even mentioned anything about what they're doing about it. There are 8 Sony PS5 exclusives that don't even have a fucking Pro patch, meanwhile the PC has enhanced versions for some of these games! Gow 2018, Days Gone, Returnal, Death Stranding, GoT, UC4, etc. Its bullshit.
YOU PC BRO?!
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It may very well be possible to hit the rough performance of PS5 in a handheld…
The Z1 Extreme found in the ROG Ally X clocks in at ~8.6TFlops @9-30W
It’s possible the PlayStation handheld may be very similar to the Z2 Extreme which will be releasing in 2025.
The Z1 Extreme found in the ROG Ally X clocks in at ~8.6TFlops @9-30W
It’s possible the PlayStation handheld may be very similar to the Z2 Extreme which will be releasing in 2025.
This would be like -Pro... not an entirely separate system.
Although having most of the library just not work would be a bit shit. I know DF suggests to take PS4 versions of everything that doesn't work - so that'd be... more complete.
I mean this isn't about want or not want - it's 'who's this for' - and portable PS4 is a really... really small segment to target. And it's about to get much smaller when Switch 2 is out.
And going up against the Switch 2... with PS4 loading times in most games... yea no...
That's the same 9 TFlops that PS5 Pro has 36 of.
And it's not 'at 9-30W'... it's 30W at that rating - full stop.
At 9W you get maybe 4 TFlops - if CPU isn't loaded.
Anyway - 7840U (that same chip) does trade-blows with a Series-S - but that's still significantly downscaled experience from PS5, so it goes back to what I said above. Handheld with no real library - and last time Sony tried this they barely sold Dreamcast numbers.
Zathalus
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If you want to get an accurate picture of the Z1 Extreme performance you need to half that number. Then drop it even further as it can’t sustain that clock speed even at 30w. At something like 10w it can’t even match the original PS4.
It does have a much better CPU and more RAM though.
gamerEMdoc
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Yes they do. They literally haven't stopped making crossgen releases for the PS4.
sachos
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This is my fear. Either they have to limit the scope of future games so they run from the get go on the handhelf OR they have to split they developement teams to support different hardware and then you end up on a Vita situation.
The silver lining for me is that this may move teams to focus more on gameplay than chasing maximum graphics, and the performance gap between the handheld and the PS6 will leave enough headroom for the PS6 to push stuff like full raytracing/pathtracing on the same games if they choose the first option.
The silver lining for me is that this may move teams to focus more on gameplay than chasing maximum graphics, and the performance gap between the handheld and the PS6 will leave enough headroom for the PS6 to push stuff like full raytracing/pathtracing on the same games if they choose the first option.
Well - they'll be doing at least 4 Switches soon. What's one more?
mckmas8808
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But trying to expand at all cost CLEARLY has shown that it can fail too. Expanding for the sake of expanding is a HORRIBLE idea. I think most of us agree with that at least. There's a reason the NFL only has 32 teams and not 64, for instance.
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