Fabieter
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They have one shot to start their own thing and it's Nintendo. They have their own music sub instead of using existing ones. They won't support steam.
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Switch 2 could fail you know
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They have one shot to start their own thing and it's Nintendo. They have their own music sub instead of using existing ones. They won't support steam.
saintjules
Gold Member
There's no such thing as "DOA" on products like this. The Switch 2 will be fine.
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The 3ds ambassador program was a resuscitation attempt that was successful.
panda-zebra
Member
Biggest competition for Switch 2 is Switch, as ancient as it is and underpowered as it was when it launched. Switch 2 is guaranteed to do well, but to do as well or better than the phenomenal performance of the Switch itself, it's got to both convince 10s of millions of kids they need the new one that is more of the same, and also be priced well enough to appeal to the same market Switch did.
Horseganador
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cireza
Member
Yeah right. They must have on shelf, waiting for launch, a new Mario, a new Mario Kart, Metroid Prime 4 and something Zelda. And these will not be cross-gen (except Metroid Prime 4). Contrary to the other companies, Nintendo are not stupid and know how to run a business.
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RCU005
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I wonder if all these Switch 2 leaks will affect in some way the excitement and hype of the announcement. People were really hyped for it to be announced, but since all these leaks happened, it's going to be like "well, I already knew that" (assuming they're true). Everything will depend on the games now.
I also wonder what is Nintendo thinking seeing all those leaks? Are they calling in meetings furiously? Are they allowing the leaks themselves to measure excitement?
I've said it many times: I believe that the success of the PS5 is due to people still riding the PS4 wave, and everyone expecting a complete continuation of it. However, it didn't happen in many ways, specially first party games.
There's still are so many cross-gen games. This gen people came expecting PS5 games, but by next-gen, everyone will be holding onto their PS5s because they'll know games will still come out for it (something we didn't know it would happen as long as it did this gen).
This gen there has only been very few first party titles. The success of the PS4 was also due to many first party, single player games, which are very scarce this gen.
Very few new IPs. From everyone really, compared to last gen and specially the PS3.
Too many remakes/remasters. Which will probably be a main focus next gen.
I believe people will not be riding any wave for the PS6, and it will be judged completely by itself, so Sony will have to present something enticing. Nintendo on the other hand, WILL have players riding the success wave of the Switch into the Switch 2.
I also wonder what is Nintendo thinking seeing all those leaks? Are they calling in meetings furiously? Are they allowing the leaks themselves to measure excitement?
I've said it many times: I believe that the success of the PS5 is due to people still riding the PS4 wave, and everyone expecting a complete continuation of it. However, it didn't happen in many ways, specially first party games.
There's still are so many cross-gen games. This gen people came expecting PS5 games, but by next-gen, everyone will be holding onto their PS5s because they'll know games will still come out for it (something we didn't know it would happen as long as it did this gen).
This gen there has only been very few first party titles. The success of the PS4 was also due to many first party, single player games, which are very scarce this gen.
Very few new IPs. From everyone really, compared to last gen and specially the PS3.
Too many remakes/remasters. Which will probably be a main focus next gen.
I believe people will not be riding any wave for the PS6, and it will be judged completely by itself, so Sony will have to present something enticing. Nintendo on the other hand, WILL have players riding the success wave of the Switch into the Switch 2.
Negotiator
Member
Wii U only sold 13.56m units and it was cheaper... so $600 is out of the question.
BlackTron
Member
I thought the resuscitation attempt was the price drop, and maybe some game drops (I don't remember exact timings of games).
And the ambassador program was more a "sorry guys" program for people who actually bought a 3DS at launch just for the resuscitation attempt to happen.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Yea, they can do retarded stuff.
I rarely think of them when think about good game music. Maybe a couple of Metroid games have soundtrack worth listening.
Fbh
Member
I can see it not selling as well or as fast as the OG Switch.
Depending on the price, not everyone might rush to upgrade. More casual players that user their Switch as an ocasional Smash, Mario Party or Mario Kart machine might not feel the need to upgrade right away. Likewise I think the OG Switch will remain a popular and more affordable option for younger kids.
But I still think it will do very well and be an overall success. And it will continue being by far the best selling handheld.
Depending on the price, not everyone might rush to upgrade. More casual players that user their Switch as an ocasional Smash, Mario Party or Mario Kart machine might not feel the need to upgrade right away. Likewise I think the OG Switch will remain a popular and more affordable option for younger kids.
But I still think it will do very well and be an overall success. And it will continue being by far the best selling handheld.
Fabieter
Member
Exactly if they don't do crossgen as much all those games will sell for years and years.
Fabieter
Member
Oh this is delulu land. They absolutely have. Some series like xenoblade have some of the best ost in the industry.
Steam won't happen. I would take every bet on that.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Yeah, Xeno is good too.
Not sure about best in industry, but they sure have 5-6 games where OST is worth listening to.
lughnasadh123
Member
The main concern if it really even is one is the oversaturation of the original Switch in homes with the increase in price for the successor sprinkled in with a dash of lacking the unique novelty of the original. So sure, Switch 2 will sell huge bonker numbers, but imo it'll be a tad shy largely due to the higher price point. Regardless it's hardly a concern.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Why is this hardly a concern?
Am sure Nintendo executives would be having sleepless nights at thought of launching Switch 2.
Am assuming they have some BOTW level games ready, and that has caused launch delay. So it takes off right after release.
Fabieter
Member
They also had an handheld which sold almost 90m that generation.
It could yeah. It might not even be because of the console not being innovative enough. Switch 2 could fail then they make a Switch 3 and it works. People's interest come and go in cycles. I'm not sure the 12 millions of Wii U can be explained only because of poor marketing. There was just a fatigue after the Wii.
What's interesting is the question : what would Nintendo do if Switch 2 failed ?
But honestly, i don't think it's going to fail at all. I feel things are going slower than they used to. The brands Nintendo have are just too high, to suddenly crumble. With the last movie Mario has never been so mainstream.
What's interesting is the question : what would Nintendo do if Switch 2 failed ?
But honestly, i don't think it's going to fail at all. I feel things are going slower than they used to. The brands Nintendo have are just too high, to suddenly crumble. With the last movie Mario has never been so mainstream.
Pasta la Vista
Member
I think Nintendo knows that they have to make a compelling case for people to upgrade. They have to bring the games, new ones. This is probably why it has taken so long for them to announce it. If they announce it with remasters of BoTW and ToTK I think that will piss people off more than anything. Obviously Pokemon prints money and many people will buy the system for that alone, despite its quality (I personally never cared for the series, so it isn't a selling point for me personally).
Basically, the hardware is obviously ready but their launch line up is not. But I think they are a little scared to cut the chord on the original Switch so quickly if they can't meet the demand for its successor. Plus it would be pretty stupid for them to ignore that install base, I expect ALOT of cross gen titles (maybe even all of the 1st party games for the next few years). Switch was their PS2 moment, I really don't expect it to have the same success but I doubt it will fail.
Basically, the hardware is obviously ready but their launch line up is not. But I think they are a little scared to cut the chord on the original Switch so quickly if they can't meet the demand for its successor. Plus it would be pretty stupid for them to ignore that install base, I expect ALOT of cross gen titles (maybe even all of the 1st party games for the next few years). Switch was their PS2 moment, I really don't expect it to have the same success but I doubt it will fail.
No chance it does bad, they have the portable market for themselves because Sony is useless to compete there and everyone else is playing catch up in the PCMR *portable* niche, so they'll be printing money like they did with S1
It's no like I like that or care about it, like usually I'd hope for a main console more powerful than the PS5Pro, but yeah, that'll never happen, so it is what it is
It's no like I like that or care about it, like usually I'd hope for a main console more powerful than the PS5Pro, but yeah, that'll never happen, so it is what it is
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GoldenEye98
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The problem is not going to be with the hardcore consumer but the mainstream consumer. The Switch OG has a lot of Nintendo's library and the entire Switch 2 lifecycle will probably not differentiate itself enough in terms of exclusives for the more mainstream consumer to cough up $400+.
I wouldn't be surprised if Switch 2 sells well but I also wouldn't be surprised if it sold less than Switch OG.
I wouldn't be surprised if Switch 2 sells well but I also wouldn't be surprised if it sold less than Switch OG.
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
Switch 1 trade in value will buy a large pepperoni pizza. $20.
I think I’ll keep it instead, never know if the Switch 2 might fail on me.
I think I’ll keep it instead, never know if the Switch 2 might fail on me.
Negotiator
Member
Nope, especially if you own an early model that can be hacked (CFW).
ResilientBanana
Member
You made a thread for this? What a waste of time.
PeteBull
Member
Just first year, hell if sales arent that high ninny could slash price by 100 by bf 2025 even
Giallo Corsa
Member
I mean, sure but...I don't know, yes? because, you know what? They, and I mean, all those things you've mentioned are - i don't know - maybe ? I mean, wait...--------------…fuck...I just farted, you know ?
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
The Switch 2 isnt going to fail, but I would love to see Nintendo taken down a notch for the following reasons:
1. For the way they get sue happy on emulators, creators streaming their games, etc. That shit is VERY anti-consumer and stuff that should get far more blowback than it does.
2. Their inability to release a high quality/higher performance option. Rather that means to release their games on Steam or a 3rd party machine with better capabilities.
1. For the way they get sue happy on emulators, creators streaming their games, etc. That shit is VERY anti-consumer and stuff that should get far more blowback than it does.
2. Their inability to release a high quality/higher performance option. Rather that means to release their games on Steam or a 3rd party machine with better capabilities.
Solarstrike
Member
Thing is, Nintendo can afford to fail. Will they with the Switch 2? Not a chance unless something happens with supply logistics
Windom Earle
Member
OP could have been a bit more substantial and thought out but it's a valid point. So many hurt feelings.
Sorcerer
Member
Switch was novel when it was released. Now eight years later the competition is out in droves. Nintendo has to rely soley on first party to drive sales. Third party can be played anywhere else and be played better, if Nintendo is once again sticking to the low end.
Nintendo is in the conundrum that they cannot go back to being only a box with no portability because they don't have the buffer of "well its portable" so it can't be as powerful. Very few are going to accept a low power box without a screen unless it's the Nintendo faithful and they are most likely buying only first party games anyway. The Switch 2 will do amazingly well, due to first party and good will/momentum. But it will pale compared to the first Switch. Will they be able to get away with 8 years between systems? We will have to wait and see.
Nintendo has quite a task ahead of them to figure out the successor to the Switch 2, probably have much less than 8-years to figure out how to differentiate themselves as Sony and Microsoft are going to throw their portable hats into the ring as well. This is the last hurrah for Nintendo hardware in its current form as the Switch 2 just seems more powerful but not really innovative this time around.
Nintendo is in the conundrum that they cannot go back to being only a box with no portability because they don't have the buffer of "well its portable" so it can't be as powerful. Very few are going to accept a low power box without a screen unless it's the Nintendo faithful and they are most likely buying only first party games anyway. The Switch 2 will do amazingly well, due to first party and good will/momentum. But it will pale compared to the first Switch. Will they be able to get away with 8 years between systems? We will have to wait and see.
Nintendo has quite a task ahead of them to figure out the successor to the Switch 2, probably have much less than 8-years to figure out how to differentiate themselves as Sony and Microsoft are going to throw their portable hats into the ring as well. This is the last hurrah for Nintendo hardware in its current form as the Switch 2 just seems more powerful but not really innovative this time around.
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hemo memo
You can't die before your death
Until they reduced the price and they brought their first-party games.
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
It's not gonna outsell the Switch 1, but "fail" is a little bit of a strong word, and far fetched at this point.
It's probably gonna sell at least 80 million, which is not a failure at all.
It really will depend on what Nintendo does with it. We know almost absolutely nothing.
It's probably gonna sell at least 80 million, which is not a failure at all.
It really will depend on what Nintendo does with it. We know almost absolutely nothing.
BlackTron
Member
Switch is so close to perfection, it just needs a power boost. So whether it succeeds or fails, I'm glad we are getting an iterative Switch 2 before moving on to the next crazy change. It's going to be a good thing for the posterity of the entire Switch library, and it guarantees a few more low-gimmick Nintendo IP entries on newer tech. It's a good thing for me no matter what.
GoldenEye98
posts news as their odd job
I think it's like this because people want access to the Nintendo catalog but don't necessarily want to buy into every Nintendo hardware cycle.
BlackTron
Member
Pretty sure this was the one thing about the system already confirmed no? Maybe they haven't said whether the BC is physical or digital only or something like that, but BC was confirmed in
BlackTron
Member
Yeah, and when Nintendo faceplants their marketing while failing to show games, it shows they were due a reality check, people are in fact not gonna buy it just because you're Nintendo. Wii U and 3DS suffered from that mindset, the same "but we're Nintendo" they said when Gamecube was failing...with Switch 2 launch games we find out whether they are getting too comfortable again. If they have BOTW DX at launch come on lol...but I think they are wise enough to have a good lineup.
Negotiator
Member
There's a Switch 2 motherboard photo with a Switch cartridge inserted, so it's safe to say physical BC is confirmed:
Robb
Gold Member
Just the fact that they’re seemingly doing a remaster of BotW is such a strange thing to me.
I can’t see that being much of a hit a second time around if it’s just a visual upgrade of the base game at $70.. I’d be very curious to see how something like that performs.
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kaizenkko
Member
It's hard to Nintendo to fuck things up. They don't need to be innovative this time, Switch 2 just needs a reasonable price and backward compatibility.
But if somehow they manage to release this console by 500 trumps and without bc with the OG Switch, I can see it failing. But Nintendo can't be this stupid, right?
But if somehow they manage to release this console by 500 trumps and without bc with the OG Switch, I can see it failing. But Nintendo can't be this stupid, right?